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Title: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: John on September 20, 2017, 08:41:39 pm
   I received my ecu today from Steve at shoodaben engineering, I just want to say I not disappointed ;), this bike now runs like I expect a 1400cc bike to run. When you twist the throttle you get instant pull, no waiting for the RPM's to spool-up. Plus the bikes low speed manners are much better, much easier to ride smoothly. The fun factor of this bike went up several notches in my book.
   Why Kawasaki designed VVT for this bike and then tuned out all that low end pull (torque) is unbelievable. The good news is you can get it back :great:.
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: Haring_Araw on September 21, 2017, 11:26:37 pm
Welcome to the forum. My ECU is on its way back from Steve right now. I'm really looking forward to it after all the positive reviews I've read here. :great: :motonoises:
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: oldnslo_MO on September 22, 2017, 12:40:36 am
,my ecu is due back from steve tomorrow, looking forward to trying it out :)
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: oldnslo_MO on September 23, 2017, 08:15:32 pm
put about 250 miles on my shoodaben flash. steve installed the evolution flash with a little extra goodie.. FANTASTIC!!!  power is great but very controllable, throttle closed to open very smooth with no hesitation.. shifting is much smoother and easier to control..low speed controllability much improved and low to mid range power is great with no hiccups...am getting much better mileage, approaching 50 mpg..i had a Guhl flash on my bike , not bad, but to me not as smooth or easy to control as shoodaben flash. i guess i sound like a commercial for shoodaben, but i'm just relaying my personal experience and complete satisfaction with steve's flash...thanks steve for a great job... :You_Rock_Emoticon:
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: Martin165 on September 25, 2017, 05:51:37 pm
I have Ghul's flash. What is the difference (as I noticed a big difference from stock to Ghul's flash). You stated it is smoother. . . .currently, I get around 51 mpg (when behaving) with ethanol free fuel. Mileage is secondary to performance. Does it pull harder . . . .?

I am interested.
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: oldnslo_MO on September 25, 2017, 07:08:25 pm
low and mid range is much stronger and responsive.can't say whether big end is stronger or not, my dyno butt is not that accurate..my mileage with the guhl usually  stayed around the low to mid 40's.i have an area p full system with k&n filter. throttle application from mid corner  much more predictable. all this is imho, had the guhl flash for about 10 months so i got used to it's performance. not trying to slam guhl, i just prefer the shoodaben for all around rideability, i'm sure there will be other opinions,but these are mine..Steve was very easy to work with and explained every question i had, and debunked some beliefs i had.   not trying to start a flash war...to each his own... :beerchug:
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: connie_rider on September 30, 2017, 02:46:41 pm
Oldnslo_MO, I see you have a Full Area P System.

Did you install the Full Area P Flash, or the EVO Flash?
Was your Gull Flash built for a Full Area P System, or was it a std Guhl Flash?


NOTE: I'm not saying anything negative about Steve's Flash's.
            I have a EVO and it's great!!   :great:

Just wanted to get some clarification about the Flash's your comparing..

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: oldnslo_MO on September 30, 2017, 02:51:35 pm
had the full area p flash from both, however steve's flash had a little extra goodie in it.. :)
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: connie_rider on September 30, 2017, 02:53:25 pm
Muchas thanky.....   :great:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: Tex on October 02, 2017, 02:09:41 pm
Yesterday I rode over to Wesley Chapel and had the pleasure of meeting Steve and his sweet pup, Star.   After and little friendly chit chat, Steve completed the flash, completed the re-stall of the ECU and took the bike for a quick run to make sure everything was in order. .. after which I headed home.

After the two hour ride home, here are my initial impressions:   To avoid any "placebo" effect caused by expectations, I told myself emphatically to be very objective about what differences I could notice after the Evo flash. I am pleased to say there really is a noticeable difference. As promised, shifting is indeed smoother, particularly at low RPM where the "snatchiness" was most pronounced before. The power increase is particularly apparent between 2500-6000 RPM. It definitely woke the bike up in that range ... and considering I do most of my every-day riding between 3 and 6k rpm, that's a very welcome improvement.  I didn't make any banzai runs on the way home but accelerated pretty hard a few times up to about 110 and I have to say that the bike is running "strong as garlic and smooth as buttah!"   Good results, well worth the expense. :great: By the way, I have an '09 with 20k miles no other mods other than a 8" carbon fiber Delkevic slip-on.
Title: Re: Shoodaben flash review (Evolution)
Post by: Jerdurr on October 02, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
Yesterday I rode over to Wesley Chapel and had the pleasure of meeting Steve and his sweet pup, Star.   After and little friendly chit chat, Steve completed the flash, completed the re-stall of the ECU and took the bike for a quick run to make sure everything was in order. .. after which I headed home.

After the two hour ride home, here are my initial impressions:   To avoid any "placebo" effect caused by expectations, I told myself emphatically to be very objective about what differences I could notice after the Evo flash. I am pleased to say there really is a noticeable difference. As promised, shifting is indeed smoother, particularly at low RPM where the "snatchiness" was most pronounced before. The power increase is particularly apparent between 2500-6000 RPM. It definitely woke the bike up in that range ... and considering I do most of my every-day riding between 3 and 6k rpm, that's a very welcome improvement.  I didn't make any banzai runs on the way home but accelerated pretty hard a few times up to about 110 and I have to say that the bike is running "strong as garlic and smooth as buttah!"   Good results, well worth the expense. :great: By the way, I have an '09 with 20k miles no other mods other than a 8" carbon fiber Delkevic slip-on.
nice, Steve's flash is in my to-do list! :)