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Title: SS brake lines
Post by: Nighthawk on May 14, 2015, 06:56:38 pm
Those of you who have installed braided brake & clutch lines, where did you get them? I called both spiegler & galfer & they said they don't make kits for 2012 concours. Did you have to measure & have them custom made???
Mark in CT
2012 Arabian Red
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: ZG on May 14, 2015, 07:03:57 pm
I got mine from Galpher, they make a full kit for the C14... Not sure why they are telling you they don't, maybe they quit making them or maybe they are getting hung up on that it's a 2012, but if you see the link below they make a kit for the 2011 which would be the exact same, so maybe they just haven't updated their catalog to also list the 2012, 2013, 2014, etc...

http://www.galferusa.com/brake-line-instructions/ABS/Kawasaki-Yamaha-Complete-Kits/ (http://www.galferusa.com/brake-line-instructions/ABS/Kawasaki-Yamaha-Complete-Kits/)

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Nighthawk on May 14, 2015, 09:30:50 pm
Thanks ZG that's probably what happened!
Mark in CT
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: seagiant1 on May 14, 2015, 10:24:27 pm
Hi,
       This is on my short list! ;D

I think next time I'm due to bleed the brakes I'll just change all the lines! :great:
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on May 14, 2015, 11:28:54 pm
am I crazy, or are the C14 hydraulic lines not modern construction, I.e., teflon internal, ss braid, and polymer exterior?
Buehler? Buehler?

these ain't C10 lines... they should be lasting at least ten years...
somewhers something is getting lost, maybe my mind, but these lines don't need replacing this soon...
you would have to have owned a C10 to understand what I'm saying, and then... how often should you change a galfer or speigler line??? well?
Beuhler? Beuhler?,,,,

just saying.

these OEM lines are superior to old tech.

jmho.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 15, 2015, 12:01:48 am

these OEM lines are superior to old tech.



 yeah, that's my take on it too.  :great: Steve
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: seagiant1 on May 15, 2015, 12:55:06 am
Hi,
       I admit I've had no trouble from my OEM brake lines! :great:

I do however want to change them out in a few  years because I REALLY like the looks of SS braided! >:D

I think for a sportbike it also shows alot of pride of ownership! ;D

Saw this  http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=36640.0 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=36640.0)
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: ZG on May 15, 2015, 01:39:30 am
motobabe-wallpaper-15-february-11.jpg

Mmmm... Gixxer RR, classic, love it!!  :great: :beerchug:

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: ZG on May 15, 2015, 01:41:22 am
am I crazy, or are the C14 hydraulic lines not modern construction, I.e., teflon internal, ss braid, and polymer exterior?
Buehler? Buehler?

these ain't C10 lines... they should be lasting at least ten years...
somewhers something is getting lost, maybe my mind, but these lines don't need replacing this soon...
you would have to have owned a C10 to understand what I'm saying, and then... how often should you change a galfer or speigler line??? well?
Beuhler? Beuhler?,,,,

just saying.

these OEM lines are superior to old tech.

jmho.

If yer saying the oem lines are fine I agree, if yer saying that SS lines aren't better I disagree...  ???

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: gsun on May 15, 2015, 02:51:13 am
I had to change my lines because of the four inch risers, so I went SS. Otherwise I wouldn't have. The rear is still OEM. I know Jay, they don't match! Sorry....
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Flat-spot on May 15, 2015, 06:02:49 am
am I crazy, or are the C14 hydraulic lines not modern construction, I.e., teflon internal, ss braid, and polymer exterior?
Buehler? Buehler?

these ain't C10 lines... they should be lasting at least ten years...
somewhers something is getting lost, maybe my mind, but these lines don't need replacing this soon...
you would have to have owned a C10 to understand what I'm saying, and then... how often should you change a galfer or speigler line??? well?
Beuhler? Beuhler?,,,,

just saying.

these OEM lines are superior to old tech.

jmho.



In my case,  PE handlebars required longer lines.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 15, 2015, 10:12:38 am

If yer saying the oem lines are fine I agree, if yer saying that SS lines aren't better I disagree...  ???


   Based on what criteria? Steve
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: ZG on May 15, 2015, 12:38:20 pm

If yer saying the oem lines are fine I agree, if yer saying that SS lines aren't better I disagree...  ???


   Based on what criteria? Steve

Expansion.  :beerchug:

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 15, 2015, 03:59:38 pm

Expansion.  :beerchug:


 Based on what? as far as I can see, they appear to be braided with a coating on them. Tell me about the current oem brake line construction, and how it differs from aftermarket braided steel lines, I honestly don't know for sure, so this is a chance to learn from you. TIA, Steve
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: ZG on May 15, 2015, 05:08:39 pm

Expansion.  :beerchug:


 Based on what? as far as I can see, they appear to be braided with a coating on them. Tell me about the current oem brake line construction, and how it differs from aftermarket braided steel lines, I honestly don't know for sure, so this is a chance to learn from you. TIA, Steve

Hi Steve, are you saying that the C14 oem lines ARE braided lines?  :o

If so, that would be the first time I've ever heard that, when I removed mine they didn't appear to be, but mines an 09 so maybe that changed on the Gen 2 models...  ???

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Daytona_Mike on May 15, 2015, 05:49:28 pm
Mine is an 08 and the lines did not seem to be braided. I found a big improvement getting rid of them and going to SS lines.
I  would have liked to have cut open the old ones to verify if they were indeed  braided. The look and feel of them was very much like the old C10 lines.
I did feel SSIF's brake lever and found it have very little expansion. My original lines  did not feel as good as his  stockers   but then again mine was much older , hence the change to SS lines.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 15, 2015, 06:11:39 pm


Hi Steve, are you saying that the C14 oem lines ARE braided lines?  :o

If so, that would be the first time I've ever heard that, when I removed mine they didn't appear to be, but mines an 09 so maybe that changed on the Gen 2 models...  ???

   I didn't say they are anything... i said what they appear to be. OTOH, you stated that there is a difference, in that the braided steel lines have less expansion. so my question to you is about the construction of the stock lines... not what I/i] think they are, the question is  what you think they are  ;)  Steve
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on May 15, 2015, 06:16:59 pm
I may have to revise my answer, which was made from the couch last night...
after actually looking ccloser, there is a combo of lines...
rear appears to be rubber, but stiff as hall.
front from the M/C to the block is for sure a new style teflon inner, but from the block down its covered in a rubber sleeve, so I can't say without removing the line and cutting the sleeve.
clutch is rubber to block, but after that I can't tell....

sorry.

they are still better than C10 was, and should last a long time .
that's my story, and I'm stickin to it... :rotflmao:
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: cuda on May 15, 2015, 06:36:17 pm
Gee Steve your suppose to be MR Connie repair guy and you say they appear to be  ,  I would think with your knowledge that would mean ...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhLhj7L6CHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhLhj7L6CHs)



http://www.youmotorcycle.com/rubber-vs-steel-braided-brake-lines.html (http://www.youmotorcycle.com/rubber-vs-steel-braided-brake-lines.html)
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 15, 2015, 07:24:13 pm
Correct, I said they appear to be, the ones on my 12 sure look braided up by the bars.

 but let's keep something in mind Cuda... I'm asking to learn from someone who seemed to know the answer. I don't know everything about the bike, I am always trying to learn. It will take any one of us years to learn all the nuances and quirks about the model, as parts break and new parts / proceedures to repair develop. I'm not holding myself out as an expert, I just know more than you.  :nananana:  Steve

  I have an 8 and a 12 in the shop. I'll go out and look at 'em, and report back. Steve

  edit - OK reporting back... looks like I had myself discombobulated, there's a different type hose on the topside of the 08 that looks braided in a sheath, but the bottoms are rubber style hoses. My 12 had rubber style hoses, not braided . I was working on the 08 and saw the hose by the bars, and was surprised to see what appeared to be braided. So there ya go, I'm not an expert, don't listen to me... but I still know more than Cuda  :rotflmao:   Steve
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: cuda on May 15, 2015, 09:18:21 pm
Now that business is strong I have a full time mechanic working in my shop, the days of me wrenching was a  long time ago , I use to like it , now I like telling someone else fix it!
These days everything has gotten so involved and  complicated, I'm soo busy  I never seam to find time to have fun or relax go, go , go I'm getting too old,
so  I delegate , I hope you know more than me since it IS your job :singing:
I'm a jack of many trades and a master of none.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 15, 2015, 09:28:33 pm
I hope you know more than me since it IS your job :singing:


  that's the best answer on this whole thread! :great:

 and obviously ZG was correct, braided steel brake lines are superior to stockers, because they have expansion. Oh wait, stock hoses have expansion... wait, I know the answer  :-[ , I need to start drinking  :beerchug:  Steve
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: ZG on May 16, 2015, 12:00:49 am
I need to start drinking  :beerchug:  Steve

 ;D  :beerchug:

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Deepsea on June 24, 2015, 12:52:59 am
Ordered a set today from Galfer. You have to say they are for a GTR1400. Thats how they have them listed. $254.00 full set with extra 1 ½ inch on front brake and clutch.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Nighthawk on June 24, 2015, 03:25:35 am
Thanks Deepsea, I'll do that. What I mainly wanted them for is the extra length for my risers, originals are a little tighter than I'm comfortable with.
Mark in CT
2012 Arabian red
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: seagiant1 on June 24, 2015, 12:26:17 pm
Ordered a set today from Galfer. You have to say they are for a GTR1400. Thats how they have them listed. $254.00 full set with extra 1 ½ inch on front brake and clutch.

Hi,
      Hope you can show some pics when done??? :great:
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Deepsea on June 24, 2015, 01:40:00 pm
It'll be 2 or 3 weeks but I will post pics when finished.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: Deepsea on July 08, 2015, 02:27:20 pm
Changed the clutch line Monday. When I cut the old line so it would be easier to remove there was steel braid under a layer of rubber then two more layers with what looks like rubber being the inner layer. I'll take some pics of it when I gat to the shop latter today.
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 08, 2015, 07:41:00 pm
Changed the clutch line Monday. When I cut the old line so it would be easier to remove there was steel braid under a layer of rubber then two more layers with what looks like rubber being the inner layer. I'll take some pics of it when I gat to the shop latter today.

thanks for verifying what Steve and I had said earlier in this thread.... :great:
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: cuda on July 09, 2015, 01:07:32 am
Since I own 3 bucket trucks, 3 10,000 lb chippers, 4 dump trucks, 3 loaders, 1 wire less remote control stump cutter and a  tree spade that all use hydraulic hoses I have a little knowledge in this area and  we make most of our hoses with our  own crimping tools , I have to tell you hydraulic hoses come in many grades and pressures ,    just because one sees a little steel  does not make it quality, in fact the bucket truck  boom hoses have no steel in them so they don't conduct  electricity .

Like it has been said many change hoses because of changing the handle bars to higher further back style, that was my original reason , but I then put LSL bars on that were lower and did not need the extension , I did not like the up rite riding style , did not feel right, just got into all the hype everyone talks about  risers, risers...

Is there anything wrong with the stock hoses, nah but my SS  do LOOK nicer :beerchug:
 














Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: rsorrell2 on July 10, 2015, 07:38:13 pm
I found it when I looked under Cruiser and not street

http://www.galferusa.com/motorcycle-brake-lines/ (http://www.galferusa.com/motorcycle-brake-lines/)

Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: 4Bikes on November 08, 2018, 01:07:38 pm
I found it when I looked under Cruiser and not street

[url]http://www.galferusa.com/motorcycle-brake-lines/[/url] ([url]http://www.galferusa.com/motorcycle-brake-lines/[/url])

I was looking for the 2011 C-14 Galfer Stainless brake lines and could not find them until I saw this post.  It's still true, that you need to select Cruiser and not Street to find the hose kit for the C-14.

My Order:
Multiple Lines KAWASAKI ZG 1400 CONCOURS ABS 2011
  * Line Color:     Clear
  * Fitting Color:  Silver
  * Code:           FK003D937-11-CL-SL
  * Weight:         4 LBS
  * Quantity:       1
  * Price:               $164.10
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: gilbysan on November 12, 2018, 05:31:10 pm
Galfer experts,
Are the Galfer's longer as they come from them or do you have to spec it when you buy?  Did not see an option on their web site for length, just colors.
Thanks!
Gilbysan
Title: Re: SS brake lines
Post by: gilbysan on November 12, 2018, 05:33:31 pm
Uhhh, (embarrassed look) I did an RTFM and read the FAQs on the Galfer site; for longer lines you can:Can you make extended brake and clutch hoses for my bar/riser setup? If you need to add length to our specifications for taller bars and risers, simply give our sales department a call. They can assist you in placing an order over the phone.
If you need to change fittings to accommodate a different master cylinder or calipers, please click HERE (http://galferusa.com/products/custom-line-builder/) to start building your own custom lines.
Customized lines are built to order in 2-3 business days (plus shipping time from our Southern, CA facility).
Thanks all!
Gilbysan