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Stranded
« on: August 07, 2017, 11:47:04 am »
Good morning,
Yesterday I was riding on the coast and almost to my destination.  The dashboard went blank, and the bike shut-off.  I had enough momentum to glide the bike to a safe area off the main road. 
Any ideas to what the issue might be since I am away from my garage?
I would like to have a sense of the problem before I bring it to a bike repair shop.  Also, if there are some things to quickly check.

Thanks.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 11:55:52 am »
Electrical.

Check batt. connections, Ground especially.

Fuses and Relays next.

Sorry for your troubles....that sucks.

Good luck getting going again!

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 03:04:01 pm »
I agree, probably battery or ground wires.

Have you looked at the fuses???

Do you have your COG Membership handbook with you?
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Re: Stranded
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 04:05:08 pm »
Thanks. Checked fuses, battery, and ground wires. 
About a mile or so from where the bike died, voltage was between 14.2 and 14.6.  Last voltage reading I saw prior to the dash going out was 13.8.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 04:10:18 pm »
Main 30 amp fuse behind the battery box?

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 06:46:57 pm »
Thanks. Checked fuses, battery, and ground wires. 
About a mile or so from where the bike died, voltage was between 14.2 and 14.6.  Last voltage reading I saw prior to the dash going out was 13.8.

"Checked" battery and ground wires? As in, looked, tugged, or tightened?
Or did you disconnect them all, abrasivly clean the contact ends, and also the terminals on battery, and physical grounding point on ffame, and reconnect everything?

If not... give that a going over.... then do a load test on the battery at an auto parts store....

What is the age of the battery, and what year bike?

Was the bike exposed for any duration of riding recently in extremely bad rain?
And also pull and inspect the main fuse, in the relay, that sits in behind the battery while its out... no idea why it should be bad unless you did some wiring of items on the bike tho.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 07:05:06 pm »
Blackgold, do you have a voltmeter?
Looking and tugging isn't e'nuf.

Explanation;
Last weekend I repaired a tractor that wouldn't start, gages low, horn wouldn't even blow.
 Buddy worked on it for 2 weeks and couldn't figure it out.
 He looked and tugged at cables. All looked fine..

I used a cheap HF meter.
 Battery checked hot.
 Ends of cables checked hot.
 But; Blowing the horn/etc would drop voltage at cable end to 4 volts.
Next;
Checked voltage at battery. blew horn. stayed at 13 volts..
Checked voltage at outside of clamps on battery. 13 volts
  Negative; blew horn. stayed at 13 volts..
  Positive;  blew horn. dropped to 4 volts.

Solution; cleaned Positive battery cable clamp.

Moral of this story.
 Get a volt meter or idiot light, and see where you have voltage.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 07:18:26 pm »
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Last voltage reading I saw prior to the dash going out was 13.8.

If that's with the engine running, it's too low.  Should be 14.0 or a bit higher with the engine running.

The C14 will do nothing without battery power.  So you need to check that area thoroughly.  My first guess is that your battery opened up internally and is simply dead.  No battery power and you get ZERO out of the bike.  If your battery is more than about 2 years old, this is a good bet.  Easy to fix, just get a new one.  Most auto parts stores and even places like Wal-Mart have compatible batteries.

The C14 has a common problem with corrosion between the frame and the battery lead coming from the (-) terminal where that lead attaches to the frame ground.  Follow MOB's advice here.  You CANNOT see the corrosion as it's Aluminum Oxide which looks like like Aluminum.  You can't wipe or clean it off either, you can only scrape or sand it off.

Also the battery terminals themselves can be an issue.  If the first two don't resolve it, look there.  The main fuse can blow but unless you have a slew of high-current accessories on your bike, and a cell phone charger is not among those, it's unlikely to blow all on its own.
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Re: Stranded
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 10:38:03 pm »
Main fuse blown.  Starter relay melted. 

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 11:09:45 pm »
What might have caused the relay to melt down which caused the main to blow?

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 11:10:22 pm »
Starter relay?  That's a new one.  I don't recall seeing that happen before.
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Re: Stranded
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 11:18:52 pm »
Ted, Didn't this just happen to Hans?
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Re: Stranded
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2017, 11:27:31 pm »
I'm not aware of him having a failure?

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 12:59:31 am »
Main fuse blown, starter relay melted... major short somewhere... combo indicates that pretty clearly.
My new current gues is the relay short was the malfunction,  ( it latched, melted and would not release) followed closely by some melted wire insulatin... and also the cause of the compromised fuse... there was a short, that didn't correct itself, leading to this.. (recent farkle list???? )
All kidding aside, my next diversion would be pull the bike outdoofs, pull the plastics, the tank, and slip a piece of 10 ga solid wire into the place the fuse lives, turn on the key, and with fire extiguisher in hand... find the smoke spot.. you now, the place where the magic stops....nwhen you let the smoke outta the wire..m oh, and immediatly turn off the ignition..

Be careful kids, us mental migits suggest stupid things to find problems... don't place yourself, your home, or your garage at risk...

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 12:59:58 am »
I'm not aware of him having a failure?

Ride safe, Ted
It was up on FB (and yes I know you don't do the FB) On the way up for the rolling rally. I'm searching for it but so far nada. Pretty sure it was same problem. Email him and ask. May have some good info. Pretty sure it was Hans Ove.
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Re: Stranded
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 12:13:03 pm »
This has turned out to be a good thread, and a good reminder to check all grounds and connections.
(which I need to do)

There HAS to be a poorly installed farkle SOMEWHERE in the mix.

Makes me really wonder just how well all of MY connections have been done?!  :-X

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2017, 12:14:13 pm »
A common failure on the Honda VFR  was the RR (ReckUlater/Rectumfrier). It could fail in two modes, undercharge or overcharge, I overcharge it would melt connectors and starter relay. The Concours 14 charging system  has a far superior desighn and components but it would not hurt to test the RR output voltage.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2017, 01:48:52 pm »
What might have caused the relay to melt down which caused the main to blow?

Possible short in relay coil, defective insulation in winding.
Dirt and moisture in connector can cause it as well.
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Re: Stranded
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2017, 02:37:37 pm »
What might have caused the relay to melt down which caused the main to blow?

Possible short in relay coil, defective insulation in winding.
Dirt and moisture in connector can cause it as well.
That relay is possibly exposed to debris from the rear tire.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2017, 04:49:42 pm »
I had something similar happen to me just this Sunday. Got stranded. Figured electrical. took the battery covers off and the negative terminal had about 3 tablespoons of powdery corrosion! Most I've ever seen on a battery in my life. And I just had the battery out in March.
Cleaned it up and drove it home!

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2017, 06:00:27 pm »
Wonder what caused the main fuse to open when the stater relay 'melted'? The starter relay contacts side, which carry the large amounts of current, are not part of the main fuse circuit. ??

Best of luck finding the source of the problem and fixing it.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2017, 06:09:54 pm »
What might have caused the relay to melt down which caused the main to blow?

Possible short in relay coil, defective insulation in winding.
Dirt and moisture in connector can cause it as well.
That relay is possibly exposed to debris from the rear tire.

That relay is well fontained in the batt chamber ( like that analogy??) And is well protected from anything foreign.

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2017, 06:15:27 pm »
I had something similar happen to me just this Sunday. Got stranded. Figured electrical. took the battery covers off and the negative terminal had about 3 tablespoons of powdery corrosion! Most I've ever seen on a battery in my life. And I just had the battery out in March.
Cleaned it up and drove it home!

OEM battery?
The '08-'09 had a series of poorly sealed batteries, my '08 had a "vapor" leak on the sealant of the negative terminal, and required frequent cleanings...

I had hoped they fixed those batteries, I'm sure there were many complaints....  especially for the $$$$$$ they want for an OEM replacement... :-\

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2017, 06:29:10 pm »
Wonder what caused the main fuse to open when the stater relay 'melted'? The starter relay contacts side, which carry the large amounts of current, are not part of the main fuse circuit. ??

Best of luck finding the source of the problem and fixing it.

Brian
Main fuse blown.  Starter relay melted.

Yer messin wit my mind man.... >:(

I think that fuse bridges the contact side....no?
Ok, I get you are messin wit my mind.... you hoser...

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Re: Stranded
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2017, 06:34:46 pm »
No, and no. It does not work that. Or in the illustrious words of Oscar Gamble, well, perhaps it is better if we do not drag Mr. Gamble into this one....  :)

Brian

Yer messin wit my mind man.... >:(

I think that fuse bridges the contact side....no?
Ok, I get you are messin wit my mind.... you hoser...
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