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Strapping down on trailer for towing
« on: September 07, 2016, 06:38:09 pm »
Hi,
 I took out a small plastic piece at lower triple tree to wrap the soft ties around and cinch down front, also will use them at rear grab rails to hold bike from bouncing around on the wonderful >:( cement roads the U S has. :(  Does anyone know what good the plastic does as it is a pain to get out. Any other towing tips?
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 09:38:19 pm »
Connie_Rider and I talked about this last spring. Looks like a splash shield to keep water out of the underside of the fairing to me. I slip the soft tie around the triple tree from the back side and leave the shield in place.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2016, 10:04:52 pm »
Connie_Rider and I talked about this last spring. Looks like a splash shield to keep water out of the underside of the fairing to me. I slip the soft tie around the triple tree from the back side and leave the shield in place.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2016, 10:29:46 pm »
The others are right. This is the piece we discussed..
I think Ron is correct. Just a water shield or removable cover.
Makes access below the fairing easier to do...

The plastic shield you ask about is easily removed.
{I remove it when I install the tie downs as it's just easier than installing the tie downs with it in place}..

Look from the bottom. You'll see 4 plastic pins holding it on.
Just remove the 4 pins and remove the shield.
  Reinstall before riding...

NOTE: Don't wrap the tie down around the triple tree.
          Wrap a soft tie around the triple tree and attach the tie down to that...

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2016, 10:38:50 pm »
I'm talking about the 10 x 5 black plastic piece that is held on with 3 bolts, 2 of which hold the horn. It is cutout around brake lines and is very difficult to bend and remove. I guess it is like you say to keep water from under fairing?
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2016, 10:47:01 pm »
That's the one. I don't believe I'd leave it off.

Knowing the propensity of large companies to save "pennies X thousands" of units of production when they can, if this piece was not considered important (enough) to include, Kawa would have saved "pennies X thousands" and left it off.

When you look under the black tank cover, just up from where the air (and water) comes in, you see a lot of electronic gizmos, relays, etc. But it's your bike. Mine is in place.  :)
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2016, 10:48:55 pm »
OK, I see what your talking about.
  The one you mentioned does not need to be removed...

The piece we talked about is not attached to the forks/triple tree.
 It is forward of the part you mentioned. {Attached below the fairing}.

Remove the one we discussed (and it will be easier to get to your lower triple tree).

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2016, 10:51:16 pm »
Now I gotta go look.

(one minute later)
You mean the big one across the bottom of the fairing or the little one that the horn bolts through?

(three minutes later)
Both of mine are still there. You can work around the piece bolted in beneath the horn bracket and still get soft ties around the triple tree.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 10:57:09 pm by ron203, Reason: Two looks at the bike »
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2016, 11:06:19 pm »
must have changed it for 2016 as my horn is hidden, the plastic covers it and extended to the fork tube and is very tight to get a soft strap under it, when I undid the 3 bolts the horn fell out as I did not know it was there.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2016, 11:17:02 pm »
 I use a removable Condor and straps.... using only two straps to the rider pegs. Has worked for years but a Condor is not cheap and you have to get the mounting kit for the trailer. I have used this on my harleys  and all my sport bikes..When I load or unload I can do it alone as the Condor keeps the bikes stable.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2016, 11:27:29 pm »
must have changed it for 2016 as my horn is hidden, the plastic covers it and extended to the fork tube and is very tight to get a soft strap under it, when I undid the 3 bolts the horn fell out as I did not know it was there.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 01:46:53 pm »
Redrocket, the Condor sounds nice.
I built a system that allows me to tie my Connie (C-14) down with turnbuckles.
Basically what I built, is just a rod that goes thru each axle.
The turnbuckle's attach between the rod ends and the trailer frame.
VERY secure...

I think there is an easier way for folks to secure a Concours though.

Harbor Freight sells a Front Wheel Chock. (often for sale at $39.00)
I bought 3 and attached them to my trailers.
With the wheel chock installed, the front wheel is trapped.

After I roll the bike into the chock, I place a Canyon Dancer on my (C-10) bars and hook the tie down straps to that.
Works good. Also very secure.
NOTE: I also add 2 tie downs to the rear of the bike for added security.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2016, 02:11:53 pm »




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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2016, 02:22:00 pm »
Nice set up!

You have a nicer version of what I noted above.
( I cheaped/lazied out with Harbor Freight Wheel Chock and Canyon Dancers on the bars (rather than using the Triple Tree).

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2016, 03:24:23 pm »
My trailer is different in that if the bike falls over it will be toast.  (monorail)
I have used it enough to feel uneasy about only holding it with 4 straps that all attach low.  I now run 6 straps.  Two on the back grab rails, two to the triple clamps and two to canyon dancer bar ends. 

So far in about 10k miles on the open trailer I have lost a strap for one reason or another on just about every trip.  I got $$$ straps and put them on correctly every time and the last two trips I lost none.  Picture the C10 on the monorail trailer going down the dragon at 55 mph+.  That is what the straps endure when on several trips to "good riding areas"  That thing is being tossed like a airline luggage.

These are not the ones I use but the same concept.  2" heavy duty with protective loop and locking hooks.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 03:53:28 pm »
I use(d) the $29-39 Harbor Freight chock and double straps, too. I hauled two C-10's 4,000 miles and back to Cortez last year, no problem. The straps will come loose if they slip (that's why I like the ratcheting strap) and also if the bike is not compressed just enough to keep tension on the straps over bumps and curves (and they don't slip).. I use a single Harbor Freight chock with straps in my toy hauler for the C-14.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2016, 04:03:15 pm »
Problem;  When you do a hard turn or hit a hard bump, the straps get loose as the suspension compresses...
                           
Solution; To keep straps from coming loose if/when that happens...
              Add bungee straps from Tie down to trailer frame (or tie down, to tie down).
             The bungee's will keep a loose strap from jumping off of the attachment point..   
             "And": you don't have to compress the suspension as much when you Strap the bike down.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2016, 10:42:52 pm »
My opinion is I would not use those narrow straps or those narrow soft ties. They are not strong  enough for such a heavy bike. I know because they have  not held for me and one time I   snapped those skinny straps  and I lost my bike. They are not nearly  rated  strong enough.
Also I would never use those non- ratcheting straps. Those spring clamps do not hold.
 I  always strap using 2 inch wide soft ties around the triple tree and 2 inch ratchet straps to hold the bike forward but to hold the bike from rocking side to side I always use  2 inch straps from the swing arm / drive shaft to the sides of the trailer.   There is no better or stronger place on the bike to strap to other than the top rear tire (Single sided swing arm - BMW)
Never strap to the handle bars (unless it is a lightweight dirt bike) or the foot pegs or the rear part  of the bike (trunk mount) All of those locations are prone to snap off the bike including the rear sets.
I do not leave ANY suspension left for compression so the hooks can never disconnect. My bikes are always tied down solid to the trailer. NO movement independent from the trailer. The bike and trailer are as one unit.  I just finished  a  5 thousand mile trip  to Canada and back with my C14 on a trailer and I travel fast- very fast and the roads are extremely rough.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2016, 11:01:22 pm »
It can be a difficult bike to strap. Also must be careful that the straps are clear of plastic parts. Towing back from Georgia National the roads are winding and can test your strap down. I like to make reference points in the rear view mirror and points on the bike and trailer. Every trailer has different challenges.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2016, 11:09:40 pm »
In my opinion the C10 and C14  are a very easy bike  to strap down. It takes me only  5 minutes to load or unload. (I have those self  retracting straps. They are so much easier and faster to work with)
 No strap ever touches or rubs  plastic as long as it is done correctly.  I have a few bikes and they are all very easy to strap down correctly.
When I had my C10 I would cross the straps from the triple tree. From the right side of the triple tree I would go to the left and vice versa for the left side.
That way the straps did not come anywhere near the plastic.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2016, 11:16:34 pm »
If I used the same trailer all the time it would take no time at all. I have hauled it 4 times in its 55,000 miles and each time it was a different trailer. I would like to buy a trailer but I just wouldn't use it enough.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2016, 10:19:50 am »
Nice set up!

You have a nicer version of what I noted above.
( I cheaped/lazied out with Harbor Freight Wheel Chock and Canyon Dancers on the bars (rather than using the Triple Tree).

Ride safe, Ted

Thanks Ted!

My opinion is I would not use those narrow straps or those narrow soft ties. They are not strong  enough for such a heavy bike. I know because they have  not held for me and one time I   snapped those skinny straps  and I lost my bike. They are not nearly  rated  strong enough.
Also I would never use those non- ratcheting straps. Those spring clamps do not hold.
 I  always strap using 2 inch wide soft ties around the triple tree and 2 inch ratchet straps to hold the bike forward but to hold the bike from rocking side to side I always use  2 inch straps from the swing arm / drive shaft to the sides of the trailer.   There is no better or stronger place on the bike to strap to other than the top rear tire (Single sided swing arm - BMW)
Never strap to the handle bars (unless it is a lightweight dirt bike) or the foot pegs or the rear part  of the bike (trunk mount) All of those locations are prone to snap off the bike including the rear sets.
I do not leave ANY suspension left for compression so the hooks can never disconnect. My bikes are always tied down solid to the trailer. NO movement independent from the trailer. The bike and trailer are as one unit.  I just finished  a  5 thousand mile trip  to Canada and back with my C14 on a trailer and I travel fast- very fast and the roads are extremely rough.

Here's the 1.5" straps that I use.



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They're rated at 1,200 lbs working load 6,000 lbs test strength. I'm thinking that the tie downs points on the trailer will pull loose before those straps break. I've hauled the bike as pictured a number of times and the bike was in the same exact position at the end of the trip as it was before I started. Once I get the bike in the chock I attach the front straps and I pull them as tight as I can get them by hand, then I do the rear straps. After that the bike and trailer become one. The bike will not move without the trailer moving in the same way. 

As for the spring clamps? The clamps on these straps are extremely heavy duty and it takes a very hard squeeze to get them to release. 
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2016, 10:13:20 am »
Ill post pics when i load the trailer in 2 weeks, but a Baxley chock and 2 straps and all is good
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2016, 12:21:44 am »
Hi,
 I took out a small plastic piece at lower triple tree to wrap the soft ties around and cinch down front, also will use them at rear grab rails to hold bike from bouncing around on the wonderful >:( cement roads the U S has. :(  Does anyone know what good the plastic does as it is a pain to get out. Any other towing tips?
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I used strap extensions up through/along side of the plastic deflector where the horn is and didnt remove it.


The extensions slip past it and makes a lot better place to hook vs trying to stuff a metal hook up and over the tree.


Amazon has em and I keep them in the bike for towing as I know a wrecker wont have  them. 



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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2016, 05:02:57 pm »
Yall are killing me with the wimpy straps.  I guess my use is different in that my trailer is exposed to a lot of wind but still I had straps that small.  Till I learned better.
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