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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 05:05:50 pm »
Yall are killing me with the wimpy straps.  I guess my use is different in that my trailer is exposed to a lot of wind but still I had straps that small.  Till I learned better.




That Small? They are rated at like 1300LB and 2300LB breaking strength.


Were you strapping down a mack truck or a C14 ?

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2016, 05:20:36 pm »
First assume there is a nick on one edge.  They all get it.  Next assume you are not pulling straight down.  Then take a 700 lb bike and toss it at 30 mph and try to stop it with that strap.  The force on the strap is close to 1200lb and since that little nick is there and not pulling str8, RIP.  Don't take my word on it.  I can send you a couple failed ones.  I had a Canyon Dancer fail the same way.  It too was over rated for what you THINK is going to happen.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2016, 05:31:51 pm »
First assume there is a nick on one edge.  They all get it.  Next assume you are not pulling straight down.  Then take a 700 lb bike and toss it at 30 mph and try to stop it with that strap.  The force on the strap is close to 1200lb and since that little nick is there and not pulling str8, RIP.  Don't take my word on it.  I can send you a couple failed ones.  I had a Canyon Dancer fail the same way.  It too was over rated for what you THINK is going to happen.


Ohyeah nothing is foolproof.


I used the straps in the pic for 1400 miles and never had an issue.  Much bigger, is cumbersome, and is still susceptible to what your talking about.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2016, 06:21:48 pm »
Yup.  I have done over 10k on trailer.  Many 2k mile trips.  Have not lost the bike on any of them but had at least 5 straps fail.
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2016, 06:28:20 pm »
Yup.  I have done over 10k on trailer.  Many 2k mile trips.  Have not lost the bike on any of them but had at least 5 straps fail.


Dang thats a lot.  I've never seen one break. 

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2016, 07:09:12 pm »
I haven't had one break or slip either, but thats one of those "yets".  And reasons for me to ride instead of letting my bikes be a silly b^%$# trailer queen
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2016, 12:20:34 am »
 I do trailer....
    Yes, I know I'm a sinner.
         But, that's what works best for me, my wife, and my back.

But, I use turnbuckles instead of straps now.
Reasoning;
    (Steel) Turnbuckles don't slip or break.
     Bike does not move...
    Suspension is NOT compressed.
    I enjoyed building the set up.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2016, 11:01:20 am »
First assume there is a nick on one edge.  They all get it.  Next assume you are not pulling straight down.  Then take a 700 lb bike and toss it at 30 mph and try to stop it with that strap.  The force on the strap is close to 1200lb and since that little nick is there and not pulling str8, RIP.  Don't take my word on it.  I can send you a couple failed ones.  I had a Canyon Dancer fail the same way.  It too was over rated for what you THINK is going to happen.

I see what you're getting at. But in my setup (post #12) most of the forward force is being absorbed by the wheel chock. Do you think that the 1.5" straps that I'm using are still not adequate?


I do trailer....
    Yes, I know I'm a sinner.
         But, that's what works best for me, my wife, and my back.

But, I use turnbuckles instead of straps now.
Reasoning;
    (Steel) Turnbuckles don't slip or break.
     Bike does not move...
    Suspension is NOT compressed.
    I enjoyed building the set up.

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2016, 06:30:47 pm »
Trust me- those 1 inch straps are way too small for our bikes. No nicks or cuts. They just snapped.
I know I snapped two them at the same time and my bike landed on the road. My friend snapped his too.
ONLY 2 inch straps and ONLY two inch soft ties for me
These self retracting are the best
https://www.amazon.com/Erickson-34416-Retractable-Ratcheting-Tie-Down/dp/B005C2ACBI/ref=sr_1_4?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1474140877&sr=1-4&keywords=2+inch+ratchet+straps

here are the loops
https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycles-Mobility-Chairs-Capacity-4-Pack/dp/B00BJP4I5I/ref=sr_1_4?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1474140992&sr=1-4&keywords=2+inch+soft+ties
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2016, 08:27:56 pm »
Trust me- those 1 inch straps are way too small for our bikes. No nicks or cuts. They just snapped.
I know I snapped two them at the same time and my bike landed on the road. My friend snapped his too.
ONLY 2 inch straps and ONLY two inch soft ties for me
These self retracting are the best
https://www.amazon.com/Erickson-34416-Retractable-Ratcheting-Tie-Down/dp/B005C2ACBI/ref=sr_1_4?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1474140877&sr=1-4&keywords=2+inch+ratchet+straps

here are the loops
https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycles-Mobility-Chairs-Capacity-4-Pack/dp/B00BJP4I5I/ref=sr_1_4?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1474140992&sr=1-4&keywords=2+inch+soft+ties


Dam, ok.


Well my next method will be a pitbull stand so I'll do away with all strapping eventually.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2016, 08:47:13 pm »
 :))I've used ANCHRA tiedowns since 1973, and never had one snap, or come loose.
Not wratchet straps, just the pull type with the knorled clamp. Of course I'm wise enough to knot the loose dangling part a few times around just bew of the clamp. I've used these and other clamp types, and also wratchet styles of which I have approx 20 or so, to haul everthing I've owned, even used the anchra ones to hold the front of my Mazda 4wd pickup down onto the car hauler when I moved to Va. From Ohio, because the tires wouldn't allow me to use the front tire net to anchor the front down. Up and down thru the hills of W Va, for hours, never lost one. Mind you I don't buy the cheapo brand 1" straps that are paper thin, I buy the good thick ones,  I don't like wratchet straps because they have a failur point which is the mechanism, the knurled clamp ones are the best, pull it tight, and forget about it.. the harder the pull, the tighter the clamping force.
I carry these all the time, on the bike, and in my trucks..
I've pulled full sized trucks out of mudholes and ditches with them, and never came close to seeing one compromised. I've bent the rubber coated hook ends way before a strap would break...

If you have one snap, it had an issue of compromise from the start, or you didn't pay enough for good ones.
When in doubt, use multiples, and tension them all tight, and tie the loose dangler end around the clamp, at least 3 wraps.

Oh, and never leave these nylon straps in the sun.... that ruins them, store them dry, in a sack, and they will be fine for 20 years.

Along with the straps, I carry at least a dozen soft loop double loop straps, for attaching to odd places as an attachment point, to preclude damaging a strap, or the item being used on... they are cheap at $10 for 4, and each one is rated for close to 5k psi... if its rated for that, it will easily hold 3x for any "short instance/emergency"
Kinda like these, but full figure eight, with both ends sown to the center, making 3 layers thru the stiching...
only about 16" long in a fullloop, raising the load rating double.
http://www.uscargocontrol.com/Lifting-Slings/1-Web-Width/Nylon-Lifting-Sling-Straight-Eye-Eye-1-inch-wide-3-feet-long-1-ply?gclid=CIynqqm1l88CFVU8gQodl_ULNQ
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2016, 12:11:13 pm »
+1 on the Ancra Tie Downs.  I have 2 sets of those I've had since the 80's.  I've trailered all types and sizes of bikes with these and never had one fail.

Redundancy is key - I always use 2 tie downs at each tie down point, just in case...
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2016, 05:11:22 pm »
Here is discussion/photo's of my bike and a Triumph on my old trailer.
Used turnbuckle to secure bikes to trailer.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=60937.msg527684#msg527684
Go to reply 158 to see photo's of turnbuckles tie down.

NOTE: As this was the first trip with turnbuckles, I installed Canyon Dancers for safety.
          Turned out that they were not needed.

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2016, 09:49:58 am »
Here is discussion/photo's of my bike and a Triumph on my old trailer.
Used turnbuckle to secure bikes to trailer.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=60937.msg527684#msg527684
Go to reply 158 to see photo's of turnbuckles tie down.

NOTE: As this was the first trip with turnbuckles, I installed Canyon Dancers for safety.
          Turned out that they were not needed.

Ride safe, Ted


That looks damned secure!
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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2016, 11:36:24 am »
First assume there is a nick on one edge.  They all get it.  Next assume you are not pulling straight down.  Then take a 700 lb bike and toss it at 30 mph and try to stop it with that strap.  The force on the strap is close to 1200lb and since that little nick is there and not pulling str8, RIP.  Don't take my word on it.  I can send you a couple failed ones.  I had a Canyon Dancer fail the same way.  It too was over rated for what you THINK is going to happen.

I took your advice and got some new 2" straps, better safe than sorry...

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AECF5JA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Re: Strapping down on trailer for towing
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2016, 06:05:20 pm »
Here is discussion/photo's of my bike and a Triumph on my old trailer.
Used turnbuckle to secure bikes to trailer.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=60937.msg527684#msg527684
Go to reply 158 to see photo's of turnbuckles tie down.

NOTE: As this was the first trip with turnbuckles, I installed Canyon Dancers for safety.
          Turned out that they were not needed.

Ride safe, Ted



That looks damned secure!

Conrad

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It is very secure {but it currently takes too much fiddling to load the bikes}.

To simplify things, I have plans to modify the upper attachment points.  >:D

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