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The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« on: September 03, 2012, 03:50:12 pm »
According to the manual (p.145) the C14 should be shifted to 2nd gear at 19mph; to 3rd at 15mph; to 4th at 35; 5th at 45....

When I shift my new Connie the shifter seems to pass through a silent grind before engaging. Is that normal? I also noted that when I shift at low speeds close to the recommended on the owner manual it seems to shift smoother...though I am not really sure. I am in the experimental stages

In my old school mentality I think that combustion engines shift the smoothest when the cranckshaft and the driveshaft are lined up at a "friendly" shifting rpm....tis the reason why one can shift 18 wheeler tractors without pressing the clutch.

I am still struggling with the optimum rpm for when to shift to the next gear...What says you?
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 04:46:53 pm »
Hello,

I struggled with this for a couple thousand kms (yeah I'm a slow learner) and for me on a 2012 shifting at 4000/rpm or close results in a smooth drama free shift. I use this primarily for city driving, on the highway I regularly have the tach in the loftier reaches.

Eliminating any play in your throttle helps greatly.

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 04:53:31 pm »
I posted a question about this also....it's so bizarre that there must be a legal reason Kawa recommends these.....just for fun I tried to ride per these recommendations......it was hilarious to be shifting so many times at such low speeds!........ :D

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 05:48:56 pm »
4K rpm works well for me also.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 06:20:24 pm »
I shift all over the place depending on the conditions and riding style...sometimes early cause I'm cruising and sometimes very late at red line cause I love the acceleration.

RPM's (speed equivlant) has nothing to do with a clean shift, it's all clutch & throttle, speed on shifter and making sure you match engine to RPM speed as close as possible.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 10:36:49 pm »
IF I am sitting next to a HOT ROD Mustang (for some reason they are prevalent here..) I hit second gear at about 35 degrees...  Sometimes if I am quick I can hold 2nd gear to about say 30 degrees  before riding it out.   Then I hit 3rd at about 90!  But then again that depends on traffic, and the next light  :) 

Generally speaking, I shift where it feels right.  Sometimes faster sometimes slower.  Really I think that the WORST thing you can do is shift and ride the same way every day.  You need the variability in RPMs to really make her work right!

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 12:23:15 am »
Talk about play in the throttle, I notice mine has a bit! How much is supposed to be there. I'm talking about that little bit of slack before the engine starts to rev.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 01:03:42 am »
For most "get around" riding I shift between 3 & 4K. It seems to mesh the best and keeps things tame, sound-wise.

For more "spirited" riding, upwards of 8 to 9K (this is where the CS One really come alive!) :)
And this is where all fuel economy is shot to hell.

In either case, shifting is based upon feel/sound/conditions, not by looking at the tach.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 01:07:27 am »
Depends for me.  If I'm in conserve fuel around town I shift at low RPM.

If I'm hanging with my knee drag-uh sportbike crowd in the mountains and trying to keep up I shift at red line or accidentally bounce off the rev limiter.

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 01:08:39 am »
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- probably its just me , but find it really hard to dail in smooth shifts with the C14  , esp when going up the box at a fast pace.

- are shaft driven bikes (this C14 is my first shafty) inherently more jerky when shifting ?
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 01:57:58 am »
I find that my shifts are smoother at higher RPMs. I also have noticed that my least smooth shifts occur in the 1 to 2 shifts. What does help is loading the lever prior to the shift on the up shifts. 
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 02:02:31 am »
The shift points in the manual are for max fuel economy I think and have no basis in the real world..

I shift by feel,  when it feels like it's too high an RPM I shift....  was getting 46mpg on my ride today :) so I must be doing SOMETHING right :)
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 02:17:08 am »
The shift points in the manual are for max fuel economy I think and have no basis in the real world..

I shift by feel,  when it feels like it's too high an RPM I shift....  was getting 46mpg on my ride today :) so I must be doing SOMETHING right :)


What RPM do your eyes see on the tack, when your 'feel' tells you to shift to the next gear?
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 03:03:00 am »
I did notice that my shifting just keeps getting smoother the more I ride my 2010. It did help to get rid of the throttle play and having the sweet spot on the clutch dialed in.

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 03:30:53 pm »
I never really paid any attention to the recommended shift points per the manual, I'm usually shifting anywhere between 3500 and 10 grand on the tach.  :o :motonoises:

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2012, 03:40:54 pm »


What RPM do your eyes see on the tack, when your 'feel' tells you to shift to the next gear?

No idea, I'm not usually looking at the tach
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2012, 03:45:00 pm »
5k-ish. Less if I'm burbling around town and rather more if I'm caning it.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 06:45:01 pm »
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- probably its just me , but find it really hard to dail in smooth shifts with the C14  , esp when going up the box at a fast pace.

- are shaft driven bikes (this C14 is my first shafty) inherently more jerky when shifting ?
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This is also my first shaft drive bike. I found that barely letting off the throttle when pulling in the clutch and performing the shift results in smooth transition to the next gear (when shifting up). If I close the throttle all the way after the clutch is in, it results in a very jerky shift. She's pretty picky about engine RPM when shifting. Can't be lazy with a passenger or we're bangin helmets!  >:(
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2012, 06:57:02 pm »
Bike has so much torque you can shift at just about any rpm. 2nd and 3rd gear get a pretty good work out when I ride. I shift around 4500 in those gears. I would have to check but 5500 in 4th must be around 80 mph.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2012, 07:22:54 pm »
When  I shift by feel, and I am driving at normal pace in city-street (I am not gunning it)  I hear the reving take a different pitch-sort-of, then it seems to shift the smoothest.

I want to say that I am shifting at the manual's  recommended speeds for kilometers instead of miles per hour. I wonder if those numbnuts that write the manual did not put the kilometer/miles on the wrong column of the table (p.145)...maybe too much saki the day before  :beerchug:...too much raw fish?...white rice?....

Well! shifting a 1400 engine with a 6 speeder tranny at 9/15/21...makes about as much sense as a one legged man at a butt kicking contest.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2012, 07:46:23 pm »
makes about as much sense as a one legged man at a butt kicking contest.
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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 11:17:35 pm »
I find the gearbox to be great for max acceleration using all gears.  Around town I try to maintain 2000 RPM but will let it drop to 1500 under very little load.  I also routinely skip 2nd, 4th & 5th or 6th around town providing better MPG.  Three gears works fine most of the time. 

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2012, 05:59:44 pm »
I've had two bikes in the recent past (five years or so) and countless cars with manual transmissions going back to my first dealer-ordered new car in 1982.  I'm also the kind of guy who reads the owner's manual from cover to cover with each purchase.  I can say without a doubt that all those vehicles have had a similar short-shift table in the owner's manual, including the 2007 Suzuki Bandit I just sold, and my Corvette.  The first time I read the Bandit manual, I was incredulous at the recommended low-RPM shift points.  That bike was VERY unhappy shifting at anything lower than about 4000 RPM.  Shift above that, and she went like stink.  Below that, she had a definite flat spot in the upper gears (probably fuel mapping) and a general feel of "I'm tired, let's go home." 

With my Connie (2010), I also noticed the herky-jerky shifting that a couple other posters have mentioned.  When I first got the bike from the original owner (1400 miles) I was very deliberate (read: slow) with the shifting process.  It was so mechanical and rough that I thought something must be wrong with the bike.  One day, out of sheer frustration, I just gunned the he** out of her and barely backed out of the gas while just flicking the clutch lever, and it was smooth as a hot knife through butter.  I've put about 450 miles on her that way now.  I'm still getting plenty of clutch lever, but I'm doing the whole thing a lot quicker.  No more herky jerky driveline snatch, no more head snap.  I doubt I'm hurting anything.  At least, I hope I'm not.

As for what specific RPM I shift at, that all depends on the circumstances.  If I'm tired of following the blue-hair in the Buick, then I click down a gear or two and roll on it.  Or I don't click down, and I roll on it.  Either way, I'm not staring at the tach.  The same applies to accelerating away from a light.  30-plus years of shifting for myself have given me the ability to feel and hear my shift points.  Since I don't do any racing, the tach is now mostly decoration to me.  I do, however, miss the digital speedo the Bandit had.  I find the analog Connie speedo to be very busy and a bit difficult to read without more than a simple glance.  Oh well...

         

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2012, 06:28:24 pm »
If there is anyone out there who perceives a shifting point of view left unsaid in this comprehensive archive of "shift-philosophies" please don't  be shy and documented it....  :motonoises:

It is clear there are as many 'shifting-ways' as there are monkeys in the trees.

It seems to me, 600 miles later, this C14 shifts where ever you like, and one is to develop that 'quick-draw' feel of when to pop the next surge of throttle to shift smoothly into the next torque.

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Re: The Proper Way of Shitfting a C14
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2018, 09:57:15 pm »
I never really paid any attention to the recommended shift points per the manual, I'm usually shifting anywhere between 3500 and 10 grand on the tach.  :o :motonoises:

Wait! There is a tach on these Fat Ninjas? Hmmmm, I didn't notice. I guess I'll have to look more carefully next time I get on the 2012.   :rotflmao: