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Offline al_ferguson01

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Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« on: February 21, 2018, 06:07:38 pm »
Hi All,

I've read a bunch of threads on this and have seen a couple different methods to "Pin" the side cases so they can't be ejected (theft prevention too). From what I have read, this (pinning) seems to have been good practice with early models that tended to experience an occasional & inexplicable side case ejection.

My understanding is that Kawasaki addressed this and it's no longer an issue... Is that a true statement?
On newer models such as mine (2016) are folks still pinning their side cases for fear of one being ejected?

I understand that folks might want to pin them for theft protection (see below YouTube link) but my questions are only regarding a design flaw that would allow a side case to be ejected...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFNxHjPEdZM

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2018, 07:50:06 pm »
I pinned my bags using this method. it's clean. Only change is I just backed out the original screw some and put a dab of grease on it. when it touched I knew exactly where to drill. 2 longer bolts and large washers later and those bags aren't moving.

To be honest, I never had issues with my old C14 or this one. I just have canyon cages on the back this bike so I'll never remove the bags. I also have bag liners.

I vote go for it if you do long trips!
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 08:00:51 pm »
harborfreight.com/square-bail-pto-lock-pin-60660.html

Lock pin with a bail is what I use

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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 08:24:03 pm »
Mama Kaw did "Fix" the locking mechanism. However, there have been some reported cases of lost bags even after the fix. Some people drill and pin others (me) use the zteve bracket. It's really cheep insurance for a problem that is well documented.
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 08:29:32 pm »
I have an '09 C14...  How have I never heard of this problem?
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 10:02:56 pm »
I've ridden BMW Airheads for decades and have heard about this issue on BMWs for about as long - I just searched the archives (on this forum) about ejecting side cases so that's how I heard about this particular issue on the C14.

My solution - I'm buying bag liners (RKA liners) and pinning them using this method:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFNxHjPEdZM
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 10:06:44 pm »
I have an '09 C14...  How have I never heard of this problem?

Hard to say.  It's been extensively discussed here and there was a recall from Kawasaki.  If your bags have an orange latching mechanism, the problem is supposed to be fixed.  But it seems that some owners have still seen their bags disappear.  I attribute it to improper mounting, which is easy enough to do, so pinning is a good idea and is, as they say, "cheap insurance."  A replacement bag is EXPENSIVE!

For something like $5 in hardware and 30 minutes of you time, you can fix the problem, real or imagined, and not worry about it again.  So while my bike is a 2012, and NOT a part of that recall, I've pinned mine just for peace-of-mind.
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 10:55:26 pm »
22 posts to date.

It's been a fairly long while since this was  discussed. You probably missed it.
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 11:06:51 pm »
I know that after 2013 some time Kawi started making the hooks on the bags longer. Mine only come flush with the bottom of the brackets but someone on here had a newer bike that had longer hooks that would have to be raised quite a bit higher in order to come off the hanging brackets.


http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/how-i-pinned-my-bags/msg606795/#msg606795
 

Check out this thread.



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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2018, 12:08:02 am »
I have used the retainers that were made by Zsteve from Pennsylvania, not sure if that's his nik or not.  They are basically a solid peice of steel wire that is plastic coated that is formed in a way to prevent the bag from popping off.  They are pretty much invisible when installed. I have used these for abt 80K miles with no incidents.  The only issue is that after many miles the plastic coating begins to wear.  He gets about $20.00 for them.

Although this is an old post you will be able to see a picture of them.  NO DRILLING.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Concours-14-GTR-1400-All-Years-Saddlebag-Retaining-Brackets-/282381764144?hash=item41bf43c630%3Am%3AmdGKJ3leZzehEG9NroLGOSw&nma=true&si=vbamDpRFDae3gggJappYh5R%252F7sQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2018, 03:17:13 am »
2011. C2C 5 x's. Not Pinned. Never a problem. Not to say it is some peace of mind.
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2018, 12:33:03 pm »
2011. C2C 5 x's. Not Pinned. Never a problem. Not to say it is some peace of mind.

Of course if you have read those accounts from the folks who had this happen, it's never a problem, until it is...   :)
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 01:02:16 pm »
I have used the retainers that were made by Zsteve from Pennsylvania, not sure if that's his nik or not.  They are basically a solid peice of steel wire that is plastic coated that is formed in a way to prevent the bag from popping off.  They are pretty much invisible when installed. I have used these for abt 80K miles with no incidents.  The only issue is that after many miles the plastic coating begins to wear.  He gets about $20.00 for them.

Although this is an old post you will be able to see a picture of them.  NO DRILLING.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Concours-14-GTR-1400-All-Years-Saddlebag-Retaining-Brackets-/282381764144?hash=item41bf43c630%3Am%3AmdGKJ3leZzehEG9NroLGOSw&nma=true&si=vbamDpRFDae3gggJappYh5R%252F7sQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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I have the same, Steve's brackets i believe he calls them. I got them after reading horror stories about the panniers, and they are pretty solid, and as mentioned, what I like most about them, is NO DRILLING NEEDED  ;)
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2018, 01:37:56 pm »
Like Ron said.....LOTS of posts on this topic, with pictures and instructions.

I'm weird, and I have BOTH.

Zteve's brackets are the EASIEST Quickest method.  I chose to pin mine as well, because I'm weird like that.

Either way -- everybody should pin their bags.  It's just cheap easy insurance.

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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2018, 01:49:24 pm »
I pinned mine, took about 10 minutes, but I use the rubber coated wire ties (in black) on the handles/rack arms, just to be sure. I no longer notice either one except on that rare occasion when I take the bags off. Why NOT spend 10 minutes and <$10 to ensure your bags are secure?
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 07:16:07 pm »
had an 09 , put over 84k 0n it never had a problem, even at triple digit speeds...i must be lucky :hee20hee20hee:
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Re: Touring Side Case "Pinning" ?
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2018, 12:37:34 am »
PO had pinned mine; I left them that way.
The C10 bags were pretty rugged and resistant to scratching, and I used them as suitcases when travelling. If I lightly (I was careful) rubbed them against the wall, no problem.
The C14 bags will show scratches too easily. I don;t want to use them as suitcases and risk scratching them so I also bought the Bestem bags. This works very well. I rarely remove them, so no issue for me at all.