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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2017, 12:53:29 am »
Yes, if you bend one tab and use some wire to connect one terminal.

Almost impossible to explain via words but easy to do visually. Basically, you turn the battery so one tab lines up with the arms of the sensor and solder them together. The bend the other one up over the edge of the battery,  it will land in the middle of the stem cut- out, and solder it to a thin wire, and wrap the wire around the sensor and connect it to the other terminal. I like to use 30 gauge solid wire (wire wrapping wire, with the insulator removed) but any thin wire will do. Just make sure it stays inside the sensor housing and cannot touch any metal parts, especially the stem.

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Are these the correct batteries?
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/panasonic-bsg/CR-2032L-F1N/P668-ND/2415266
Looks like free shipping, no minimum...
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2017, 02:07:11 am »
Those are the same batteries I use, but I do not add any wire.  I just use the tab that has the extra material and fold it tightly at a 45* angle and then bring it up and solder to the appropriate post on the circuit board part.  Might be easier to use a piece of wire though.  I just never have in several dozen exchanges.
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2017, 02:00:10 pm »
I never fold a tab over in a 180 degree bend; they fatigue if you look at them too hard, and I have broken more than one on the first fold. And because these batteries go in a high vibration environment, I am even more wary of the fold.

Of course that is just my opinion and so if folding the tabs actually works, then certainly that trumps whatever I think may happen :-)

And the really nice part about using the wire is that it is so malleable and forgiving to put wherever you want it to go, and it solders instantly to the both tabs. And what got me using the wire in the first place was that I got a bunch of batteries in with the tabs positioned too close to each other to spay wide enough to reach both tabs without getting in the way of the stem. So I got used to the wire and came to actually prefer doing it that way. Gee, sort of sounds like how addictions start, huh? :-)

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Those are the same batteries I use, but I do not add any wire.  I just use the tab that has the extra material and fold it tightly at a 45* angle and then bring it up and solder to the appropriate post on the circuit board part.  Might be easier to use a piece of wire though.  I just never have in several dozen exchanges.
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2018, 04:48:09 pm »
Are these the correct batteries?
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/panasonic-bsg/CR-2032L-F1N/P668-ND/2415266
Looks like free shipping, no minimum...
Did anyone confirm if these batteries are ok? Or is it generic enough that any 3V 20mm dia battery will work?

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2018, 05:05:31 pm »
I have a 2014 Connie with the other TPMS.
Has anyone found a way to install batteries in those yet?
Yes, I know of the difficulties'.   {just hoping}.....

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2018, 06:07:24 pm »
Here is another option or you can make your own with wire and shrink wrap:

http://www.jameco.com/z/CR1220-WIRE-LEADS-3V-CR1220-Lithium-Coin-Cell-Battery-with-Leads_2210010.html?CID=GOOG&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIornbmpz21QIVCTBpCh1hDwtSEAQYAyABEgJJvfD_BwE


I realise this is an old post, but was curious about that battery...
I don't think it would have enough juice to work, and if it did, it would not last a month, its a small cell, with only 38mah, compared to a normalnsized CR2032 which is about 180-200 mah.
But they do have one with wires, just had to look a bit...
https://www.jameco.com/z/CR2032-LEADS-3V-CR2032-Lithium-Coin-Battery-with-2-Inch-Leads_2223443.html

They also have a CR2025, which is what the unit came with if ircc, but if you are planning to attach the batt to the exterior of the tpms and heatshrink it in place, and only run wires in thru a hole to solder to existing tabs (as the heatshrink on thes replacements likely won't fit inside the shell now) it should work, the 2025 has a lower mah rating than the 2032 tho,

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2018, 07:22:25 pm »
I am with Connie Rider, curious as to the road blocks in conquering the newer style. I checked my 2013 last night, since both TPMS are giving me low battery especially in the cold. I have the old style in the front and the newer in the rear. :( I figure I will reverse engineer or destructively test it trying to figure it out when the time comes. By then I may stumble across a non stupid expensive replacement or  find another old style. Would like to see one internally if anyone has already gone that route.
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2018, 09:10:25 pm »
Its been attempted, but so far no joy...
Could have been bad batts as installed, or damage to the unit during the attempt.. can't say... id be willing to attempt this now, after seeing the attempted "process" that was used, and I think it could work...
But, the original batt in the new sensor is a 2050, larger format...


Interesting...
I can't copy/post the link to the post on the other site...will have to try again on my laptop later.. :??:

Edit to add, the actual datasheet on the 2050. (CR2050HR SBO-T23) can be found...
http://biz.maxell.com/en/primary_batteries/cr_heat-resisting.html#tab04


Well, that link didn't work, so go to this one, and go to "download" and grab the pdf formatted datasheet...
http://biz.maxell.com/en/primary_batteries/cr_heat-resisting.html
Problem is getting to the bottom tabs solder point, but careful surgury may work, and there is a batt that does have wire leads and a mini plug... in that data sheet..
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2018, 09:30:57 pm »
OK: Does anyone have a failed TPMS from a 2014 (maybe 2013) or newer?
       We need to do an operation....  >:D

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2018, 09:35:54 pm »
OK: Does anyone have a failed TPMS from a 2014 (maybe 2013) or newer.
       We need to do an operation....  >:D

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I would attempt it for sure if I had one...
I've got a dentist's drill, with very fine nibs, and a dremel set with every bit they ever made...
I'm sure I could dissect it after seeing the "dissection photos" Tree posted.

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2018, 09:49:09 pm »
"OMG",,, {I just realized} MOB wants to play Doctor.....  :-\

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2018, 10:38:47 pm »
Reminds me of an old saying, "What is the difference between a doctor and God?"

God does not pretend to be a doctor.

I am down for surgical procedures on one of these too.

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2018, 10:41:13 pm »
"OMG",,, {I just realized} MOB wants to play Doctor.....  :-\

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Oops, gotta steralize those instruments... hand me your BIC lighter... this might "pinch" a bit....

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2018, 01:42:12 am »
OK: Does anyone have a failed TPMS from a 2014 (maybe 2013) or newer.
       We need to do an operation....  >:D

Ride safe, Ted

I would attempt it for sure if I had one...
I've got a dentist's drill, with very fine nibs, and a dremel set with every bit they ever made...
I'm sure I could dissect it after seeing the "dissection photos" Tree posted.

Rich, it sounds to me like a way to make a big mess on the work bench.  ;D
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2018, 01:04:35 pm »
I respect you guys for being so diligent and dogged on this issue, but the more I read - the more I just figure I'll replace the older modules with the newer ones under warranty at my next tire change.

If I still own the bike by time the "new" set dies, I'll just pay to replace those with the newer ones.

What a hassle!!

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2018, 04:05:08 pm »
I agree it would be a bit of work, but we have our reasons.

1} We're tight.. Frugal
2} We're poor.,  Frugal
3} They say it can't be done, so we WANT to do it anyway!!

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2018, 06:55:29 pm »
Face it Ted, were just plain CHEAP... :rotflmao: :nananana:

Annnnnnnnnd.... I wanna try it.... :truce: :great:

I'm figuring on minimal destruction, just basically getting into and cutting the existing tabs from the dead batt, and attaching the wires from a new batt to those tabs once disconnected from the old batt...leaving it all potted in place, and then glue and heatshrink over the new batt external of the case, in the minimal recess I cut away.
If it works well, I will offer, for a price, to replace them....   anything that saves $300 and doesn't require a KDS and techs time and bill, is worth it...
I luckily had mine replaced under extended KPP, but was also lucky when I did, as they used the old style... so win win for me,

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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2018, 01:33:28 am »
Sure looks like it!
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2018, 04:27:43 am »
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anything that saves $300 and doesn't require a KDS and techs time and bill, is worth it...

Is also why I will stick with the old style until a new battery won't fix em any more. 
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2018, 11:26:20 am »
Crap I am riding a brand new bike with only 1400 miles on it and the TPMS is already only working some times. We have a 2005 Tahoe that's been a pain since day one I am glad my pickup is a 1 ton and in 2006 it was an option not required on 1 ton and up. A gauge in my tool kit works good for me....
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2018, 01:46:54 pm »
Crap I am riding a brand new bike with only 1400 miles on it and the TPMS is already only working some times. We have a 2005 Tahoe that's been a pain since day one I am glad my pickup is a 1 ton and in 2006 it was an option not required on 1 ton and up. A gauge in my tool kit works good for me....

Surely that 2016 is still under warranty. 
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2018, 04:31:54 am »
Crap I am riding a brand new bike with only 1400 miles on it and the TPMS is already only working some times. We have a 2005 Tahoe that's been a pain since day one I am glad my pickup is a 1 ton and in 2006 it was an option not required on 1 ton and up. A gauge in my tool kit works good for me....

Surely that 2016 is still under warranty.

I think the TPMS batteries have a 5 year warranty. Grant you might as well get your sensors replaced because it probably has the new style for sure.....that said I like the TPS on the C14. It has saved me running on a totally flat tire a couple of times. The Tahoe can have a flat tire and you still have a spare. 
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Re: TPMS Batteries
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2018, 06:36:45 pm »
Crap I am riding a brand new bike with only 1400 miles on it and the TPMS is already only working some times. We have a 2005 Tahoe that's been a pain since day one I am glad my pickup is a 1 ton and in 2006 it was an option not required on 1 ton and up. A gauge in my tool kit works good for me....

Surely that 2016 is still under warranty.

I think the TPMS batteries have a 5 year warranty. Grant you might as well get your sensors replaced because it probably has the new style for sure.....that said I like the TPS on the C14. It has saved me running on a totally flat tire a couple of times. The Tahoe can have a flat tire and you still have a spare.

True Dat!!!
I sure appreciate the TPMS.  Will have to cross that battery bridge when I get there I reckon.
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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2018, 06:51:38 pm »
Crap I am riding a brand new bike with only 1400 miles on it and the TPMS is already only working some times. We have a 2005 Tahoe that's been a pain since day one I am glad my pickup is a 1 ton and in 2006 it was an option not required on 1 ton and up. A gauge in my tool kit works good for me....

Surely that 2016 is still under warranty.

I think the TPMS batteries have a 5 year warranty. Grant you might as well get your sensors replaced because it probably has the new style for sure.....that said I like the TPS on the C14. It has saved me running on a totally flat tire a couple of times. The Tahoe can have a flat tire and you still have a spare.


I had the sensors replaced on the bike I bought in 07 just before my first KPP expired, and it was fully covered.
Perfect timing as they installed newly manufactured old style sensors... I assume some of the last ones that existed prior to the changeover.

That KPP (GTPP originally) did pay for itself.

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