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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2011, 03:13:23 pm »
Maybe this is a bad place to ask this question, but when you park several of these bikes in close proximity to one another do they swap TPS info?  I mean could Fred's low rear tire pressure read on Mick's gauge?  Just curious.

Personally, I think a new housing could easily be designed and manufactured in a kitchen to upgrade the old sensors rather easily and without much cost.  once proto-typed, a housing with changeable battery could easily be produced for under $10... likely under $3.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2011, 03:43:46 pm »
Each sensor is registered to it's own ECU so no danger of contagion. :)
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2011, 07:17:48 pm »
Each sensor is registered to it's own ECU so no danger of contagion. :)
RatZ!  Seems like Rallies would be a lot more fun if these bikes were a little less smart.   :D
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2011, 07:17:20 pm »


I've had both of mine off the rim and they are NOT the replaceable battery type.
BUT, the next time I go in there, I may just add this battery holder in the 101K style from DigiKey.  It has long standoffs that I could insert into three holes I drill in the housing of the TPMS sensor.


Then I wonder what this dealer is talking about...    Mine are under warranty so I don't want to open them and void it to see if maybe it's sealed, but not soldered....
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2011, 09:03:08 pm »
I just picked up my bike from the dealer after replacing the front TPS sensor on my 2008.  As Mad River Marc already reported , the part # for the new sensor with a removeable battery is 21176-0125.  The price up here in the Great White North is $172 plus the dealer charged $60 to install it.  Ouch.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2011, 10:52:34 pm »
60 to install isn't really that bad considering they have to remove the wheel then unmount/re-mount and balance the tire to install it plus program it with the KDS software...

Have we been able to confirm/dispel the rumor that the new part has a replaceable battery?
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2011, 01:09:54 am »
Metric Parts Outlet sells for $131.41, I want to verify this p/n has a replaceable battery before I order.........anyone? 

     
   Current Items In Shopping Cart
Qty Part Number   Description Price Total
      21176-0125   SENSOR,TPMS 315MHZ $131.41   $131.41   
SubTotal 

     

   
 
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 01:14:08 am by Ken »
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2011, 03:58:52 pm »
don't think so....
go back a page and read Kawamick's response...looks like that answers the question with a no...
pays to read a complete thread.

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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2011, 08:54:06 pm »
Rich,

I did read that part, but also further down Norther Rider quoted the same part number was installed by his dealer and it supposedly had the removable battery.  I want to buy a couple of the TPMS modules with the removable battery but want to make darned sure I get the right ones.  Guess I'll wait until someone can verify the correct one with photos.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2011, 09:03:14 pm »
I just picked up my bike from the dealer after replacing the front TPS sensor on my 2008.  As Mad River Marc already reported , the part # for the new sensor with a removeable battery is 21176-0125.  The price up here in the Great White North is $172 plus the dealer charged $60 to install it.  Ouch.

21176-0125 is the part number specced for the 2010 as well....I wonder if that is a change Kawis  made for 2010+

Anyone with a 2010 want to disassemble the TPMS to see if the battery is truly changable? :)

with both of these posts, and knowing Kaw does NOT supercede a part without changing the part number, I would question what really got installed in Nor-Rider's bike....without seeing, and holding the part in my hand, and insuring it had a replacable battery, I would not order the part blindly. I need to check the kawa fiche to see if they call out a battery, I'll be back.....

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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2011, 09:22:29 pm »
hmmmm
Kaw shows a supersession (spelling ??? per kaw)

newest parts;
  Part Number Description Code Quantity
 21176-0107   SENSOR TPMS 315MHZ      older
 21176-0125   SENSOR TPMS 315MHZ       newer

oldest parts;
  Part Number Description Code Quantity
 21176-0071   SENSORTPMS 315MHZ         older
 21176-0107   SENSORTPMS 315MHZ          newer


interesting...
they do not show an "item" for the battery, this has me still questioning....

ok, it does seem they have made a total of 3 versions...
0071
0107
0125

they show options for the superceding parts on all years currently, when looking at them.

still doesn't show a battery part number though....
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2011, 11:35:05 pm »
I'll hold off ordering anything until someone can verify "for a fact" they have physically verified a unit personally and lets us all know the new p/n.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2011, 11:36:09 am »
Mine's going in here very shortly for new tires and TPMS as they are acting up.
My dealer said he has had to replace a lot of these and doesnt understand why Kawi didnt put a replaceable battery in it to begin with.  That was perhaps a month ago so I'll swing by tomorrow and ask him to check into it with this new pn.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2011, 03:05:12 pm »

My dealer said he has had to replace a lot of these and doesnt understand why Kawi didnt put a replaceable battery in it to begin with. 


Kawasaki didn't have a choice, they used the LDL sensors made in france.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2011, 04:38:44 pm »
You know that this whole subject is a real PITA for lots of folks. But I can say without a doubt that the TPS system was one of the more worth while systems on the bike. It may not be a necessity. And I tend to shun too much unnecessary technology, But this is one system that is worth having. Yes and expensive proposition if you have to keep replacing the sensors yourself. But how many of y'all would really forgo having the system instead of replacing the sensors because of the cost.
 As most know, I do not have them anymore on my bikes. But I will say that I do miss having the TPS. And had I still had the TPS. I would probably bite the bullet and keep them working. For the benefit, convenience and safety factor of the TPS system is IMO, worth having. So if they never came out with the replaceable batteries. I would probably still keep the system working as intended. Even though it would suck and cost quite a bit more.

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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2011, 05:28:37 pm »

 As most know, I do not have them anymore on my bikes.


Bob,
  I think youĺl find TWO TPS units on your fjr, the primary throttle shaft has one and the secondary throttle shaft has one.  Throttle Position Sensors are pretty standard on FI engines.     You could add TPMS for $174 from Murph:  http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=421

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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2011, 05:31:07 pm »

 As most know, I do not have them anymore on my bikes.


Bob,
  I think youĺl find TWO TPS units on your fjr, the primary throttle shaft has one and the secondary throttle shaft has one.  Throttle Position Sensors are pretty standard on FI engines.     You could add TPMS for $174 from Murph:  http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=421

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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2011, 01:32:24 am »
Slightly off topic, but unless something on the newer model FJR's have changed that I don't know about, they only have one set of throttle plates in them, and one Throttle Position Sensor.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2011, 11:10:42 am »
Not off topic at all, you are correct, I was thinking of the FZ1 that sat right next to the FJR I spent so The FZ1 has two.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2011, 03:58:35 pm »
I just had my front TPMS sensor replaced yesterday and i just talked to the dealer and he said that i have the new number ( 21176-0125) in mine.
He said that it didnt look any different on the outside than the one he took out.  not to say that it cant come apart and the battery be in a holder rather than
soldered in.

wish i would have seen this thread before i took it in ... i am freinds with the service manager and we could have investigated.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2011, 04:05:39 pm »
I ordered a snapdragon battery case, and when I get it, I'll get a TPMS unit and take it over to my machinist friend and we'll tear it apart and see what could be fabricated to replace it with something using the snapdragon.

I sort of want it to be so you can replace the battery with just a hex wrench or something.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2011, 06:27:36 pm »
Does anyone have an old non-working sensor that isn't needed?  I'd love to take one apart and see if I could come up with something.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2011, 07:25:25 pm »
First post for me.
Concerning the TPMS on the front rim.  The local tire changer broke the one on my 2010 C14.  He replaced it but it does not seem to be sending.  Is there some sort of initializing I have to do in order for it to begin working?  I have riden the motorcycle about 10 miles but still not reading.  Any and all help is appreciated.
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2011, 07:40:53 pm »
If he replaced the sensor it will not work until it's coded to the kipass ECU using the KDS software from Kawaski (Usually a Dealer has to do this)  Sounds like he just bolted it in but didn't know how to code it.

You will need the baggie the new sensor came in as there is a number on there they will need to program into the ECU
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Re: TPMS mod to use removable Battery
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2011, 07:46:45 pm »
First post for me.
Concerning the TPMS on the front rim.  The local tire changer broke the one on my 2010 C14.  He replaced it but it does not seem to be sending.  Is there some sort of initializing I have to do in order for it to begin working?  I have riden the motorcycle about 10 miles but still not reading.  Any and all help is appreciated.

Yes, it must be registered into the bikes KIPASS ECU. You will probably need to take it to the dealer, unless you have a KDS3. And you will probably need the bag it came in. The KIPASS fobs are also that way. They use the KDS3 to manually register the sensors authentication number to the the KIPASS ECU. If the sensor is not registered, it will not work, like yours is doing.