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Offline SATXRIDER

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Battery Advice
« on: June 21, 2019, 11:34:24 am »
I have a 2013 C-14 with 46K miles.  Still has the original battery in it.  Battery has always been kept on a tender and shows no signs of weakness.  Will be traveling from San Antonio up to Williamsport  (up thru S. Dakota/Michigan) and will be on the road for 9 days and around 5K miles.  Should I replace the battery before the trip just to be safe, or is it still good to go since I can't see a change in battery performance?

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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2019, 12:38:57 pm »
I have an '08 and I had replaced the original battery, but not the replacement. Like you mine is on a Tender a lot and I got concerned, so I left it off the Tender for about a week. When I started it I noticed it turned over ever so slightly slower, so I replaced it. Last thing I want is to get stranded somewhere with a dead battery.

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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2019, 12:54:14 pm »
I can see your concern. I would also be thinking about replacing and with
the 14 being harder to get to the battery it might be wise to replace. On the
road it would be a bit... When and where are you passing Thur Michigan.

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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2019, 01:11:57 pm »
my 12 bought in 13 had it's battery die last year. So I would say go ahead and change it. Cheap insurance for something you'll have to do soon anyway.
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2019, 02:39:25 pm »
I have a 2013 C-14 with 46K miles.  Still has the original battery in it.  Battery has always been kept on a tender and shows no signs of weakness.  Will be traveling from San Antonio up to Williamsport  (up thru S. Dakota/Michigan) and will be on the road for 9 days and around 5K miles.  Should I replace the battery before the trip just to be safe, or is it still good to go since I can't see a change in battery performance?

Steve

I have a 2009, bought new in 2010. I replaced the battery last year. It had not yet failed. The bike had about 43,000 miles at that point.

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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2019, 03:12:03 pm »
Cheap insurance, not to mention the peace of mind you will have not having the worry about the battery again for a few years and you will get a chance to clean and tighten all the battery connections.  I just replaced the Yuasa battery in my 2010 with a SHORAI Li-Fe battery in my 2010.  The SHORAI has 310 CA. I think the Yuasa was 210?   And yes, you can still use your Battery Tender to keep the SHORAI charged.
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2019, 06:14:29 pm »
Some good advice:
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/how-to-test-a-motorcycle-battery

Looking through the service manual, I read that the K-ACT ABS Servicing Braking precautions, requires a battery in good condition to function properly.
Solenoids and electronics don't work well with a weak battery. It used to be the battery was there for starting the engine and operate the radio and lights at night.

Now, it's a new game. The ABS braking system needs a good battery to function properly.

In the Service Manual, electrical system section on the battery, there is some good advice. To determine the battery condition after a refresh charge, "Determine the condition of the battery left for 30 minutes after completion of the charge by measuring the terminal voltage according to the table below"

Criteria.............................Judgment
12.6v or higher..................good
12.0 ~ lower than 12.6v...Charge insufficient -> Recharge
lower than 12.0V...............Unservicable -> Replace

I used to run batteries to failure. On the C14, I don't think it's a good idea.
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2019, 06:24:31 pm »
Batteries have a higher incidence of random failures than other components (such as tires, brakes, etc) which you can predict when they are worn out.  Since that battery is 6+ years old, it's due to crap out soon.  I would replace it if I were you.  But, if you don't get the opportunity to replace it before you go, don't let an old battery stop you from attending.
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2019, 08:59:05 pm »
Thanks for the advice.  Y'all just confirmed what I was already thinking.  For a little over $100, it is cheap insurance from having the dreaded "no start" while on the trip.

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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2019, 09:48:46 pm »
Replace, you said cheap insurance. You're spending a lot of the trip, new battery is just a few dollars' worth of cheap insurance of not being stranded.
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2019, 10:38:49 pm »
Thanks for the advice.  Y'all just confirmed what I was already thinking.  For a little over $100, it is cheap insurance from having the dreaded "no start" while on the trip.

Steve

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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2019, 06:42:24 pm »
I would def def definitely replace it.  The guys you ride with aren't likely to help you or wait on you.  But that's cause you choose a sad lot to ride with.  Or maybe they are the ones that are yet still willing.  Check your radiator.  I've heard bad things about them.


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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2019, 12:21:54 am »
Just replaced mine with a lithium. Seriously 1/3 the weight and less than half the size. Spent 6 days on the road up and back to the Bun Cooler. Never a problem. Same CCA's. 5 days of Noah type rain and temps below 32. That extra room in the batt compartment now has me installing a remote switched fuse box in there. Going to be running north to PA also. What days you looking at. (ya know, just in case I carry a jumper  :) )
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2019, 12:50:36 am »
tires, batteries, they better impress for more than a month or 2.. Immediate improvement is expected...... longevity is what matters..

 report back on tires at 6k miles.. and batteries at 6 years.. then you get a real cross section.   I mean, seriously, replacing anything with "new" better impress... No? so.. not downing the shoray, but just saying the timeline, and life cycle is still "young", I live in an area where we see 0*.. I may not ride then, but say temps effect performance. Now, with that piece of info, a "tender" on a frozen battery, comes into play also... key on.. punch starter to engage lights.. let them burn for 30-40 seconds to "warm the batt" and then start it.
I designed those things, and still can't say they are worth the money. This is a permutation of further patents.. but basic, as multi "cells" are combined to form a battery...


between us all, and now that the company has been "sucked up" by NGK.. I made single container batteries, that would arc weld 1/4" plate steel... and as an extreme motorcycle enthusiast, i attempted to persuade the V.P> to pay close attention, to my agenda, for electric motorcycles, utilizing our creations.. sad to say, the Iranian based mentality of her, combined with her intent to capture "market place cell phone" batteries, caused her demise.  Years passed, I was an engineer with Tenure, at another non battery company; and when my V'P. of engineering moved to work for a Lithium Ion company, which I had interviewed for, prior.. and found as (too "highly educated in the field" to "hire" )I would have worked for them for half the offer they made me.. and that included re-lo, and a purchased home..)  now, A123, has the record holding electric drag bike.. all I ever wanted out of the whole deal, was to work on, and ride that bike.. damn.

so, LiPh, and LiPhFe bats are common... they are not a thing I would buy, nor back, at this point in time.  (edit to add: "with 5 gallons of high test gas in a tank directly above the battery")
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2019, 02:02:05 am »
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so, LiPh, and LiPhFe bats are common... they are not a thing I would buy, nor back, at this point in time.

Does this mean we gonna end up rescuing Old Man on a Connie at some point in the near future?
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Re: Battery Advice
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2019, 02:14:37 am »
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so, LiPh, and LiPhFe bats are common... they are not a thing I would buy, nor back, at this point in time.

Does this mean we gonna end up rescuing Old Man on a Connie at some point in the near future?
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