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Title: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on April 28, 2018, 10:15:34 pm
Just so you guys know...Fred Harmon is still taking customers in the Fort Worth area. I just couldn't put myself thru the hassle of doing it myself so I took a 1,250 mile ride to Fort Worth and had Fred do it. He retired from his day job a couple weeks ago but will continue to do side work on Gold Wings and Concours in his home shop. I've done valve adjusts on every motorcycle I've had for the last 50+ years but I just didn't have the energy to tear into this thing. I rode 4 full days to get there and back averaging just over 600 miles per day. Great ride but glad to be home. If anyone feels the need to skip the hassle of doing this nasty job and wants it done right by a perfectionist, consider riding in to have Fred do it . I had to wait 2 days in a hotel while he worked on it and actually stayed a 3rd day due to a rain storm that moved in on the day I was to leave. Good time and a great guy to work with.
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Post by: khager01 on April 29, 2018, 12:42:17 am
That's good to know, how much does he charge?
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on April 29, 2018, 02:11:51 am
You better check with Fred but my original quote for just the valve adjust was $750 but if you have canyon cages (which I don't) it was more. His time is your money which is fair to me. I kept adding things like coolant flush, air filter, clutch flush, throttle body sync, so I ran the price up a bit but the personalized service by a diligent and meticulous guy is worth it to me. He replaced 13 shims on mine and 3 were way tight but the other 10 shims were replaced to get the specs centered. Unlike a dealer you get pics of the cams out of the bike, a complete shim map, and for me the confidence to ride 1,250 miles home without a problem. I take a trip every year so this time I got some work done too. The bike has 47,000 miles on it.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Upstate Pete on April 29, 2018, 03:35:47 am
I'm actually in the midst of doing mine right now. I spent the day removing body panels, cowling struts, suction valves and a ton of plugs and connectors. I had a deer destroy the body a couple years ago, so I'm pretty familiar with getting that on and off. I am curious though. At 47,000 miles, is this your first adjustment? Mine is at 52,000, and this is my first time under the cover. She still runs great, so I'm hoping it's not too bad. If you can get this done for $750, I'd say its a steel. I was quoted $1200, but I still had inner cowling panels to replace from the deer strike, not to mention some dyna-mat and foam body gaskets I hadn't replaced yet. (No, that stuff don't come with replacement panels. Nor do any of the fasteners.) Live and learn....
I can see mine going into, at least, a third day. Besides the extra body panels, I've got plugs, gaskets, and cover O-rings to do. Not to mention I found the suction valve hoses need replacing, and I figure to do the antifreeze, oil and filter while I'm at it. I have learned that I need a 5mm 1/4" allen socket. Doing those suction reed covers with a standard allen wrench is a nightmare.
I do have to say these things are an amazing machine. I'm on my 6th year, and other that the deer damage, all I've done is farkle it up, change the oil regularly and feed it tires, and a couple sets of brake pads. Oh yea, last year I replaced the fluid in the front brakes, and the battery. Not because it was bad, but because it was 5 years old. She's never failed to get me home, even after t-boning a deer in NY.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: jwh20 on April 29, 2018, 10:02:14 am
I'm actually in the midst of doing mine right now...

I'll just post this again, but don't bother going to your dealer for replacement shims.  Dealers, local or online NEVER have them in stock.  The best source is RidersDomain (formerly known as JakeWilson) and they not only show you the actual stock on hand when you order they ship FAST!

These ProX shims come in the same sizes as OEM and are, in my experience, first-rate!  (Yes, it says these are for a Yamaha FJR1300 but these are the correct shims for the C14.  You also can't beat their prices at $1.99 each:

https://www.ridersdomain.com/motorcycle-parts/pro-x-valve-shim-p?v=2005-YAMAHA-FJR1300 (https://www.ridersdomain.com/motorcycle-parts/pro-x-valve-shim-p?v=2005-YAMAHA-FJR1300)
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on April 29, 2018, 03:43:15 pm
I'm actually in the midst of doing mine right now. I spent the day removing body panels, cowling struts, suction valves and a ton of plugs and connectors. I had a deer destroy the body a couple years ago, so I'm pretty familiar with getting that on and off. I am curious though. At 47,000 miles, is this your first adjustment? Mine is at 52,000, and this is my first time under the cover. She still runs great, so I'm hoping it's not too bad. If you can get this done for $750, I'd say its a steel. I was quoted $1200, but I still had inner cowling panels to replace from the deer strike, not to mention some dyna-mat and foam body gaskets I hadn't replaced yet. (No, that stuff don't come with replacement panels. Nor do any of the fasteners.) Live and learn....
I can see mine going into, at least, a third day. Besides the extra body panels, I've got plugs, gaskets, and cover O-rings to do. Not to mention I found the suction valve hoses need replacing, and I figure to do the antifreeze, oil and filter while I'm at it. I have learned that I need a 5mm 1/4" allen socket. Doing those suction reed covers with a standard allen wrench is a nightmare.
I do have to say these things are an amazing machine. I'm on my 6th year, and other that the deer damage, all I've done is farkle it up, change the oil regularly and feed it tires, and a couple sets of brake pads. Oh yea, last year I replaced the fluid in the front brakes, and the battery. Not because it was bad, but because it was 5 years old. She's never failed to get me home, even after t-boning a deer in NY.
I had a dealer do my first valve service at 24,000 miles. Supposed valve adjust, coolant flush, plugs, and air filter. $370 and 3.5 hours labor......I knew that was impossible especially after it took Fred 2 full days to do mine right. So to answer your question this was my first valve adjust at 46,000. I am not going to do another valve adjust and will just ride it until 100,000+ and see where it goes from there. Its a 2011 so the value at 100K is not going to be worth the money involved in another valve adjust and it probably won't need one anyway. I have the bike set up the way I want it and am going to ride it as long as I feel like it. Having it right is so much peace of mind I am going to enjoy it for a long time.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Upstate Pete on April 30, 2018, 01:57:16 am
Yea, I try to be prepared and already bought a full shim kit too. And as far as dealers go, I haven't brought mine to one since it went off the three year warrantee. Knowing the manual calls for a valve check at 15,000, I brought mine in at 20,000. I asked the mechanic about checking the valves. (This is the guy who had changed my oil, mounted and balanced tires and replaced tire pressure sensors and dealt with the brake peddle recall on mine to that point.) Basically, the lead mechanic at this mom and pop shop. He just looked at me and asked, "why? is it tapping?" I said "no" to which he replied "look, I'll tear this down as far as you want me to, but it's going to cost." So at that point I thought it'd be good till I heard it tapping. :-[ Listening to you guys, I know better now.
Since it's gone off warrantee, I've bought the service manual, and done everything myself. Not that it's needed much. Yea, things are warring. I worry about the shock, swing arm bearings, timing chain, hoses, brake and clutch lines. It's still worth more to me then I'll ever get out of it. At 57, it's the fastest machine I'll probably ever own. Oh yea, I have to agree. This is the only valve job it's ever going to get. I'd love to see 100,000 out of it. At that point I'd have to say I've got my moneys worth out of it.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: jwh20 on April 30, 2018, 10:07:40 am
Yea, I try to be prepared and already bought a full shim kit too. And as far as dealers go, I haven't brought mine to one since it went off the three year warrantee. Knowing the manual calls for a valve check at 15,000, I brought mine in at 20,000. I asked the mechanic about checking the valves. (This is the guy who had changed my oil, mounted and balanced tires and replaced tire pressure sensors and dealt with the brake peddle recall on mine to that point.) Basically, the lead mechanic at this mom and pop shop. He just looked at me and asked, "why? is it tapping?" I said "no" to which he replied "look, I'll tear this down as far as you want me to, but it's going to cost." So at that point I thought it'd be good till I heard it tapping. :-[ Listening to you guys, I know better now.
Since it's gone off warrantee, I've bought the service manual, and done everything myself. Not that it's needed much. Yea, things are warring. I worry about the shock, swing arm bearings, timing chain, hoses, brake and clutch lines. It's still worth more to me then I'll ever get out of it. At 57, it's the fastest machine I'll probably ever own. Oh yea, I have to agree. This is the only valve job it's ever going to get. I'd love to see 100,000 out of it. At that point I'd have to say I've got my moneys worth out of it.

IMHO you made a wise choice by NOT having that "mechanic" work on your bike.  The C14, like virtually all modern engines with shim-and-bucket valve lifters, does NOT "tap" when it needs adjustment.  In nearly ever case you will find that the valves have tightened to the low-end of the in-spec range vs. loosening.  I am sure that it's happened somewhere but  I have NEVER encountered a C14 valve that was "loose".  They are either too-tight or in-spec.

But nobody can tell if the valves are out of specification by listening.  So this guy was basically speaking from ignorance and is not the sort of person you want working on your engine.  "Lead mechanic" huh?
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Just Cliff on April 30, 2018, 11:42:18 am
So to answer your question this was my first valve adjust at 46,000. I am not going to do another valve adjust and will just ride it until 100,000+ and see where it goes from there. Its a 2011 so the value at 100K is not going to be worth the money involved in another valve adjust and it probably won't need one anyway. 

Speaking from experience I will disagree with you. It will need it again & if you plan to ride in the ground you will need do it. I understand the whole value thing, but it want keep running if you don't maintain it.

Mine were done at 64,000 & 8 were tight. Then again at 120,000 & all were tight with 2 having almost no clearance. Third time at 195,000 & a few had moved but well within clearance.

Just my .02!

Cliff   :beerchug: 

 
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: EZ on April 30, 2018, 05:13:51 pm

Quote

Speaking from experience I will disagree with you. It will need it again & if you plan to ride in the ground you will need do it. I understand the whole value thing, but it want keep running if you don't maintain it.

Mine were done at 64,000 & 8 were tight. Then again at 120,000 & all were tight with 2 having almost no clearance. Third time at 195,000 & a few had moved but well within clearance.

Just my .02!

Cliff   :beerchug:

195,000!!!  Good Heavens man  :great: :beerchug:            ....carry on
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Throttle 8 on May 01, 2018, 01:12:15 am
So to answer your question this was my first valve adjust at 46,000. I am not going to do another valve adjust and will just ride it until 100,000+ and see where it goes from there. Its a 2011 so the value at 100K is not going to be worth the money involved in another valve adjust and it probably won't need one anyway. 

Speaking from experience I will disagree with you. It will need it again & if you plan to ride in the ground you will need do it. I understand the whole value thing, but it want keep running if you don't maintain it.

Mine were done at 64,000 & 8 were tight. Then again at 120,000 & all were tight with 2 having almost no clearance. Third time at 195,000 & a few had moved but well within clearance.

Just my .02!

Cliff   :beerchug:

I think she may be getting run in finally!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on May 07, 2018, 11:07:29 pm
From Fred Harmon Valve Adjust. (http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah205/tim_hunt1/IMG_5297_zpsxrbepsep.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/tim_hunt1/media/IMG_5297_zpsxrbepsep.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: JeffP on May 08, 2018, 11:57:25 am
By the way, I noticed today that MurphsKits.com has a valve adjustment kit that comes with shims, valve cover gasket and some other goodies. Price is around $125 or so.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: AmphibSailor on May 08, 2018, 02:09:36 pm
Does it come with shims?  The only kit I saw was for the soft parts.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: smithr1 on May 08, 2018, 05:41:14 pm
I had that kit.  Unless it has changed there are NO shims.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: AmphibSailor on May 08, 2018, 06:21:54 pm
I had that kit.  Unless it has changed there are NO shims.

I didn't think so, but wanted it clarified.  Perhaps the OP has some new information. 
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Post by: MAN OF BLUES on May 08, 2018, 07:55:28 pm
https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=525&osCsid=ssWV2A9IAXeBIZ564ZEVe1 (https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=525&osCsid=ssWV2A9IAXeBIZ564ZEVe1)

Its all the needed gaskets, orings, and seals, and some sealant included, plugs are an adder option $35, so you have to pick your kit options...

No shims included....
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Vic on May 09, 2018, 05:26:47 am
Just so you guys know...Fred Harmon is still taking customers in the Fort Worth area. I just couldn't put myself thru the hassle of doing it myself so I took a 1,250 mile ride to Fort Worth and had Fred do it. He retired from his day job a couple weeks ago but will continue to do side work on Gold Wings and Concours in his home shop. I've done valve adjusts on every motorcycle I've had for the last 50+ years but I just didn't have the energy to tear into this thing. I rode 4 full days to get there and back averaging just over 600 miles per day. Great ride but glad to be home. If anyone feels the need to skip the hassle of doing this nasty job and wants it done right by a perfectionist, consider riding in to have Fred do it . I had to wait 2 days in a hotel while he worked on it and actually stayed a 3rd day due to a rain storm that moved in on the day I was to leave. Good time and a great guy to work with.

I think you have inspired me and given me a mission to accomplish this upcoming vacation period!
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on May 10, 2018, 01:33:00 am
Vic....I can't say enough about how easy it was. So worth it to me. Benbrook is kind of a cool place to hang out for a couple days too.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Max on May 28, 2018, 02:48:22 am
i keep saying om gonna get steve or fred to do it, im at 30k now so its time just gotta make time in the schedule to get there.  I dont have time to do it or time to take it to someone i trust. the local dealers are OUT as far as valve shim work, i used to have to do theirs when they would get one in and noone knew how to pull and replace/degree cams or figure shim replacement sizes. its a lot easier on racebikes that are stripped down already.  as much junk as there is on modern bikes its a day just getting one peeled down and back togather, plus whatever you have do do under the valvecovers..ugh.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on May 28, 2018, 11:09:57 pm
30K+ is probably a good time to get it set right. It's all about peace of mind and lack of hassle for me.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on May 28, 2018, 11:21:45 pm
so jumping in the fray, with 17K on my new to me 2009 y'all think I should do them?
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on May 28, 2018, 11:37:51 pm
You really can't ask that of us, as you will get answers in both directions.. some will say yes, some will boast about not doing it till 50k, or even never doing them... all depends on YOU... your expectations of length of ownership, vs are ya gonna ditch it and buy something else before you put 5-10k thousand more miles on it..
At this point, warrantee ain't gonna come into the equation, so its up to you... its a complex, but doable job if you have skills, and tools, and especially patiance and attention to details.

I checked mine around the same point, and decided to "stretch it" to see what happened in the next season of riding..when I did mine the second time, it was clear to me, that had I made the adjustments originally, instead of just checking and recording gaps... I would have been better off doing them all then, and not having to go back in a second time, to do it.. 90% of it is getting to them, and buttoning it all back up.
The actual shim measurement, and replacement, is just a minimal couple hours... the time spent prior, and finding shims, and reassembling, is the consuming part.

I'm comfortable in what I did, but I will never say to forego the inspection, its the only way you can see what's in there..


I don't plan on buying another "new" bike ever again.. so in my mind, if I can make it last 20 years (its over 10yr old now), I'm satisfied.

Ride safe
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on May 29, 2018, 02:26:22 am
so jumping in the fray, with 17K on my new to me 2009 y'all think I should do them?
Wolverine...MOB has been around these bikes a lot longer than I have but I will make a guess at this. If I was you i'd wait until you thought it necessary but surely before 50,000 depending on how hard you ride.  I had mine checked at 24,000 miles by a dealer and they charged 3.5 hours labor so I know they didn't change any shims and just stuck them and called them good....that's why I went to Fred Harmon at 47K to have them done right. I run full synthetic Amsoil, do 5,000 mile oil changes, and ride a lot of 5th and 6th gear miles so most are at 3,500 to 4,000 RPM. The exception to this riding style was when I first had Steves flash done and enjoyed a lot of rollons to 7,500 rpm or so before Freds valve adjust. Now I just ride conservatively and enjoy the the occasional 6,000 rpm burst every 100 miles or so. At this rate I'm planning on riding another 50,000 to 75,000 miles before I consider a valve adjust again. If riding style and good oil maintenance has anything to do with it (and I think it might) I don't see it being worth spending the money on a bike with that low a value by then. Maybe though. I ride about 14,000 miles a year since I've had it.
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Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 09:00:25 am
Thanks guys, I think what I will do is..do it.. But I am gonna wait until the end of the year when my riding is done, this way I can take my time, I really lack patience when it comes to things like this, only because if it's warm out I don't want to be in the garage  :great:

So once deer season kicks off it will give me a lot of free time to do the work slowly.

Curious though, seems like the hardest part is finding the shims? Well besides taking everything apart
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: turbojoe78_MA on May 30, 2018, 02:00:24 pm
Shims are easy to find.  I ordered 7 from riders domain on a Monday, and got them in the mail that next Thursday.

With just about 17K on my 2014, I had one exhaust valve at .007, one at .0075 and one intake at .003, so I'm glad I checked when I did.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 03:13:52 pm
so do I order shims before or after I check? I assume after so I know what sizes, forgive me for the ignorance of my questions

Shims are easy to find.  I ordered 7 from riders domain on a Monday, and got them in the mail that next Thursday.

With just about 17K on my 2014, I had one exhaust valve at .007, one at .0075 and one intake at .003, so I'm glad I checked when I did.
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Post by: SpeedyCoop on May 30, 2018, 07:18:17 pm
You should order after you check (measure clearances) so you know exactly what you need.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: turbojoe78_MA on May 31, 2018, 12:39:29 pm
One other tip that helped me. 

When you get to torqueing down the cam caps, and valve cover, there are a couple bolts on the front left side of the engine that you will find very difficult to get a torque wrench on.

I have a 1/4" drive torque wrench and with the 5mm allen socket, I still didn't have enough clearance to get to the bolt.

I cut a 3/8" piece off a 5mm allen wrench and used it in a 5mm socket.  This combination was much shorter than the allen socket and allowed me to get the bolt torqued.

I would also recommend you epoxy, or J.B. Weld the piece of allen wrench into the socket so you don't have to spend an hour looking for it when it falls down the front of the engine, and ends up in the bottom of the #2 exhaust header flange where it can only be seen with an inspection mirror.

 >:(
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on May 31, 2018, 12:41:24 pm

I would also recommend you epoxy, or J.B. Weld the piece of allen wrench into the socket so you don't have to spend an hour looking for it when it falls down the front of the engine, and ends up in the bottom of the #2 exhaust header flange where it can only be seen with an inspection mirror.

 >:(


Good tip, experience always helps
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Shredran on June 01, 2018, 01:43:17 am
This is going to suck!! And be awesome at the same time... I’m doing my first valve job soon and am dreading it, but can’t wait to finally get it done and over with (+ learn some new stuff about this bike in the process)
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Upstate Pete on June 03, 2018, 01:17:09 am
So, after 52,000 miles I finally did my valves. I had 4 exhaust and 4 intake valves that were under spec by around 2/100ths of a mm. Went one size lower on those 8 shims. What a freaking chore for 8 shims smaller than your pinky nail. I'm not ever doing that again. Now I'm gonna run her till she melts and just buy a new bike.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Dirtwiz on June 03, 2018, 01:26:49 am
I hear you brother.....mines a 2011 so lets figure what it will be worth at 120K miles..... maybe half the price of a valve adjust? I do realize they still have a lot of miles left in them if the valves are kept up but I will be ready for something else I'm sure.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on June 03, 2018, 01:34:39 am
I was quoted 3.5 hours for valves at my local dealer at $75 an hour...
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Phil on June 03, 2018, 04:15:25 pm
I was quoted 3.5 hours for valves at my local dealer at $75 an hour...

Make them sign a statement specifying that price, and that the price is firm, and will not change, and require them to photograph the bike actually torn down, and require a shim map.  :great: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Upstate Pete on June 04, 2018, 01:11:22 am
I was quoted 3.5 hours for valves at my local dealer at $75 an hour...
So very funny. It took me longer than that just to get to my valves. god bless your local dealer.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Roger B on June 04, 2018, 02:31:01 pm
If they will do it for that amount of labor I would have them do it, but like mentioned verify what was done.   Any valve adjustment the cams should be removed so that the optimal shim can be in place.   I would give them the valve diagram we have listed somewhere on site.   I used it when I did my valve adjustment.
I did my valves at 18k miles and I had some that were on the tight side and and 3 slightly out of spec.   I learned a lot doing it myself and won't be concerned in doing it again.   I really didn't think it was that bad.   In saying that, if you can get someone to do it for around $350 and trust their work, go for it.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on June 04, 2018, 02:35:47 pm
was reading through the shop manual last night on this and it's out of my realm of expertise to do on my own, maybe someone in TN has BTDT



If they will do it for that amount of labor I would have them do it, but like mentioned verify what was done.   Any valve adjustment the cams should be removed so that the optimal shim can be in place.   I would give them the valve diagram we have listed somewhere on site.   I used it when I did my valve adjustment.
I did my valves at 18k miles and I had some that were on the tight side and and 3 slightly out of spec.   I learned a lot doing it myself and won't be concerned in doing it again.   I really didn't think it was that bad.   In saying that, if you can get someone to do it for around $350 and trust their work, go for it.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on June 05, 2018, 04:48:41 pm
Was at the dealer to day getting my new tires installed and asked again on valve check & Adjust cost.

The verified with service manager that they do a flat rate 3.2 hours, includes everything. They asked me why I was concerned.. I told them about you guys  :)
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Syxxphive on June 06, 2018, 02:48:35 am
3.2 hours for a valve adjustment is the cheapest I’ve ever seen for the c14. It can take that long just to get the valve cover off.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: SpeedyCoop on June 06, 2018, 09:47:04 am
I would be concerned with the quality of work if somebody can do that job in 3.2 hrs.(Unless he does them all the time) Having done my own valve adjustment, it is not a job  to hurry through.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on June 06, 2018, 10:15:10 am
Was at another dealer, a larger dealer and had great conversation on the concours with the service manager, first thing he asked me when he found out what I rode was "have you had your ecu flashed"
Anyway he said 6 hours for valves
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: khager01 on June 06, 2018, 04:46:58 pm
Wolverine, that's interesting I wonder why he would ask you that out of the blue.
Title: Re: Valve adjust....I just didn't want to do it...So
Post by: Wolverine on June 06, 2018, 04:48:29 pm
It wasn't out of the blue, we were talking about the C14. He knows a good flash works on these bikes..

Wolverine, that's interesting I wonder why he would ask you that out of the blue.