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Offline Isaac

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Warms Up then dies
« on: May 04, 2019, 12:16:29 am »
Hello all,
I'm new to this forum, although I've been on the ST1100 forum for a few years. I picked up a 2010 C14 a month ago for $2500 in good condition with one significant issue: It will warm up just fine, but as soon as the warmup cycle is over it dies, refusing to idle.

It can idle if I feather the throttle, and runs fine otherwise (I got insurance and rode it 250 miles back to my house) but won't idle on it's own. I tried adjusting the idle screw to no avail. I think it may have come off the throttle bodies.

I'll be opening it up with a more experienced mechanic on the 12th, but before I do I wanted to ask if anyone else has experienced this and may know what the likely culprit could be. Thank you all. I look forward to participating more on this forum in future (and hopefully under better circumstances).
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2019, 12:48:34 am »
When you say: ' I tried adjusting the idle screw to no avail' do you mean the adjusting knob dangling on the left side?
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2019, 01:15:38 am »
if you turn and turn and turn it.. counterclockwise, I would think that after the first full turn, I'd be trying the opposite direction... just to see.. hopefully he didn't keep going until the adjust backed out fully, and dropped...

that would be a bummer...
 >:(

I'm thinking that is exactly what happened...  :-[

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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2019, 10:15:44 am »
Hi Isaac!  Welcome to COG!  Hoping MOB is right and the problem is just that the adjuster is detached!  Even with the problem, $2500 is a sweet deal for a 14.  There are guys that are asking that for a C10.  How about some pics of the new ride?  If you have problems with pics, pm me and I'll get those up for you.  Welcome!
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2019, 11:31:40 am »
Isaac:  I'm in the same boat as you are:  a previous ST1100 owner who now has a C-14.  Except I paid a bit more for my '08. 

How many miles on your '10 ?
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2019, 11:33:27 am »
Indeed, welcome and good deal! I concur with the previous hypothesis. Not sure if there might be an idle speed sensor or airbox temp sensor unplugged, but you will get a good first lesson in Connie Tupperware removal.

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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2019, 07:05:25 pm »
Hi Isaac!  Welcome to COG!  Hoping MOB is right and the problem is just that the adjuster is detached!

there is a reason I said Bummer... if that was the culprit, (which I'm pretty sure it is...almost positive...)

as it's a real p.i.t.a. to get in there and re-insert it if it popped out, and the spring and washer dropped also...... a real... p.i.t.a.
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2019, 09:30:04 pm »
Welcome Isaac, sorry to hear of your new-to-you bike woes, but hopefully it will be behind you soon and you're out on the roads with no other probs
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2019, 08:45:08 pm »
if you turn and turn and turn it.. counterclockwise, I would think that after the first full turn, I'd be trying the opposite direction... just to see.. hopefully he didn't keep going until the adjust backed out fully, and dropped...

that would be a bummer...
 >:(

I'm thinking that is exactly what happened...  :-[
Hey all, sorry for the long time in responding. Thank you for all the replies!
This is what I think happened as well. I didn't crank on it much at first, just a little turn to the left, and a little to the right. When nothing changed I did turn it a lot, and nothing made a difference, so I think it was detached before I got it.

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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2019, 09:53:01 pm »
Drain the fuel, change the filter(s). Run an ethanol free Premium in it. 
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 02:51:52 pm »
I was wondering about the fuel filter too.  My 2010 had about 45k on it when I took the filter out and cleaned it.  I can't imagine that it would have made it another 20k.  Note that the filter is not serviceable according to K but search for the threads here on how to replace or clean it if you find this could be it.
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 02:55:37 pm »
BG44K will actually clean the fuel pump filter. Cheap insurance against having to replace it due to crap gas.
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 03:48:58 pm »
Try opening the gas cap after it is warm and see if that helps.  Won't hurt to try.

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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2019, 05:01:42 am »
I was wondering about the fuel filter too.  My 2010 had about 45k on it when I took the filter out and cleaned it.  I can't imagine that it would have made it another 20k.  Note that the filter is not serviceable according to K but search for the threads here on how to replace or clean it if you find this could be it.

I'll check that out. Why isn't the fuel filter technically serviceable? That sounds crazy.

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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2019, 09:40:44 am »
It is - well, listed by K as a service kit for later models.
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2019, 05:40:41 pm »
It is - well, listed by K as a service kit for later models.

well, not sure it's "listed", but it never became available as a "kit" until '17, and unless the dealership got and kept up with "service bulletins", likely they still don't know... The dealer I just got my filters from, like 2 weeks or so ago, never knew about it... even tho he had 10 filters in stock, and when I told him about the kit, he rolled his eyes when I told him the price, and part number...   ::) ::) ::) ::)  then he looked it up, and was shocked at the price...
He asked "what did you guys do when these went bad, and the warranty was expired? Stiff price for 3 small o-rings, a filter, and 2 tiny screws..."...
I told him we been using the same filter for 10 years now... "thats' how we rollllll baby..."  :rotflmao: :motonoises:

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I also pitched a "biotch" and told him Kaw should have included the big o-ring, you use at the mounting plate for the pump assembly to the tank, as I have re-used mine 3 times so far.. luckily...
"I bet Kaw could have jacked the price up over $100 for the kit had they done so...." was his reply.

I told him "no way, we'll just buy a new inner pump, with all the rings, and stuff for $70, off the net..."
Kaw is crazy with that $395 for a pump assembly...
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2019, 07:31:07 pm »
I read a pictorial someplace on how to change the filter. My thought is to buy a used pump off  e bay change the filter at my convenience and install when I have the time.  Some day when my TO IT is fixed, I'll do that. Tim
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2019, 02:19:50 am »
Well, I solved it everyone. It was indeed the stupid idle adjust screw. It had been backed off so far that even my many turns hadn't brought it back in contact with the throttle bodies. When the plastics came off, there it was grinning at me. Bike runs great now, just needs that flash everyone is talking about.

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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2019, 09:59:28 am »
Excellent, always nice to see a problem solved.  :great:
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Re: Warms Up then dies
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2019, 06:19:28 pm »
if you turn and turn and turn it.. counterclockwise, I would think that after the first full turn, I'd be trying the opposite direction... just to see.. hopefully he didn't keep going until the adjust backed out fully, and dropped...

that would be a bummer...
 >:(

I'm thinking that is exactly what happened...  :-[





Well, I solved it everyone. It was indeed the stupid idle adjust screw. It had been backed off so far that even my many turns hadn't brought it back in contact with the throttle bodies. When the plastics came off, there it was grinning at me. Bike runs great now, just needs that flash everyone is talking about.

wellll.. that was easy..... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :great: :great: :great: :motonoises:

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