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Title: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 15, 2018, 09:30:32 pm
Hi there...I’m on an ST1100 atm, but am looking to eventually upgrade to a more modern machine. These kawi’s have always caught my eye. From what I’ve read the 15’s+  seem to have some bugs worked out like the linked braking sensitivity and a lower 1st gear. The earlier ones wouldn’t scare me though. I’m just curious if you all could share what you like and dislike about your ride (and what year it is). Just trying to educate myself a little bit, before pulling the trigger...

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Shawn on May 15, 2018, 09:45:24 pm
Hi Frank, nothing I don't like about my 2014, especially since Steve's decal flash.  Like most owners protest, it could be a little less top heavy.  C14's reliability is it.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Buzzard on May 15, 2018, 09:57:22 pm
My only gripe, the lcd display is not bright enough to see in shadows to bright sunlight. I have an o8, it will probably keep going forever.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: freebird6 on May 15, 2018, 10:59:56 pm
I like it....a lot.

Good seat now that I changed it.

Good windshield ...now that I changed it.

Bike feels really good. Acceleration is smooth and strong....now that the ECU is flashed.

OVerall this is the best bike I have ever been on. Great brakes. Great engine. Good comfort

Only downside is the height. When one of my shorter friends wants to stand over or ride it they can't really touch comfortably.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ron203 on May 15, 2018, 11:48:16 pm
Lots of power but runs like a pussycat until you light it's fire. I'm tall so I dropped the pegs, raised the bars, replaced the seat. Love it.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on May 16, 2018, 12:40:15 am
Like

First bike I've owned that the ergo's fit me from day one... no need for my fomfort, to buy aftermarket bars, risers, seat, pegs, etc.
Performance... no aftermarket pipe was needed, I love my "cutdown" OEM spud launcher, it works for me.. so, I get to spend my money on gas, and tires.. which is good..
And maybe, just maybe, a SISF MR flash this year...maybe...
Also first bike I've ridden that changed my mind on hauling a trailer behind it.. which it does effortlessly.. love it..
Dislikes?
Damned heavy biotch to push around in my garage, andntight spots... every year, it gets heavier... I swear it gained #100 in 10 years of owning it..

It eats tires up, and drinks fuel... but that is expected...maybe that's why it feels so top heavy... :rotflmao:
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ZXtasy on May 16, 2018, 01:29:38 am
Bueller....Bueller....
SOrry, had to. My middle name is Buel, so I am allowed one.
I put a fair amount of miles on a couple of ST-1100's and a 1300. Fine machines, smooth, fun. I would say the C-14 is heavier by feel and maybe real world pounds, mine is a 2013. But I am a big Kaw fan and that growl and power and reputation just does it for me. YRMV.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 01:33:39 am
I’m 6’1” 280 so I can identify with changing the ergo’s. I really like my ST, but obviously it has its limitations since they never really changed anything during their production run starting in ‘90.
One of the things I REALLY like about it is the 7.4 gal fuel tank. What kind of fuel mileage are you guys seeing? I know it’s about 1.5 gal less than the ST, but if the mileage is better it would be a moot point. The bags seem to have about the same capacity....
Is there any common quirks about these bikes you guys can think of? I’ve never had a bike with traction control and ABS (although the ST’s did have those options even back in the day)

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ron203 on May 16, 2018, 01:40:20 am
At normal and legal speeds, I get 42, 44.5 with my wife riding along (for some reason). Stock mpg is about 38. Most bikes that are flashed get 42-45 or so. I'm 6'4" and 250# plus gear.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Dirtwiz on May 16, 2018, 01:50:15 am
2011 C14  My biggest dislikes would have to be the stock seat is painful at best, (fixed this with a Baldwin GT seat) footpegs need to be lowered since I'm 6'2" tall, and handlebar height was too low so needed 2" spacers. Plastics removal are a pain when doing maintenance but not that big a deal. Likes....the motor once flashed, the looks, and an amazing handling bike at a bargain price. Overall a great package that is capable of 180 mph top speeds, 10 second quarter miles, and covers 700 miles a day if needed....something for everyone for sure....and stone reliable too!
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Deepsea on May 16, 2018, 02:03:31 am
09 C14, non abs. Dislikes, engine maintenance is a pita but doable if you want. Likes, pretty much everything else. It runs all day long at whatever speed you want, has been known to exceed 200,000 miles reliably, fast/quick enough to scare you, fun at the track, NO Chain. I could probably list another dozen things I like and even a few I don't but overall this is the best All Around bike I've owned in 48 years. If you ever take one to the track it is heavy and will give you a workout but it's much more fun than free weights at the gym.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Phil on May 16, 2018, 02:08:08 am
The only thing that really bugs me, is the way the TPMS low battery warning comes on and hijacks the dash. Yes you can clear it, but then you ride with a bright red warning light on for a while, then the warning comes back. It wouldn't be so bad if it only happened when the battery was low enough it would fail soon, but it happens long before the battery actually dies. The latest low battery episode has lasted over a year now. Other than that, the stock seat.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 02:21:46 am
09 C14, non abs. Dislikes, engine maintenance is a pita but doable if you want. Likes, pretty much everything else. It runs all day long at whatever speed you want, has been known to exceed 200,000 miles reliably, fast/quick enough to scare you, fun at the track, NO Chain. I could probably list another dozen things I like and even a few I don't but overall this is the best All Around bike I've owned in 48 years. If you ever take one to the track it is heavy and will give you a workout but it's much more fun than free weights at the gym.

I would be doing all my own maintenance for sure...what’s a pita in particular? Valves?

I think all stock seats I’ve ever sat on are absolutely horrible! And I’ve sat on a lot of stock seats. I just ponied up for a RDL seat, and it was fantastic on the 2200 mile ride I just got back from yesterday...highly recommend it!

Do the grips work good, or do they get really hot like the universal ones?

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Harry Martin on May 16, 2018, 02:44:12 am
Likes: It's a freaking monster. Bike is so big, it does not know or care that a puny rider like me is on it. Way more power than I will ever need.

Dislikes: It's a freaking monster. A puny guy like me has no legs. I'm inseam challenged. Gravity is my biggest enemy. Never hit the front brakes while driving in slow motion. The bike is not for wimps. Expect the unexpected.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Deepsea on May 16, 2018, 02:50:22 am
It takes almost as long to get to the engine as it takes to do the valves. That's the price of having a Non naked bike.
I do all my own maintenance as well and have been for many years. It's not as bad as some of us make it sound :'( . Having the FSM is a must. It was the first thing I bought when getting the C14, $74  paper version, and worth every penny.
I also have an RDL and love it.  :great:
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on May 16, 2018, 03:30:19 am
Love everything about my C14, with the exception of a small niggle. Said niggle is the back pressure which, in cold weather, ads turbulence at the back of my neck, drawing cold air under the helmet.
Maintenance is not for faint of heart. It could be intimidating, even for a seasoned mechanic. 
If you decide to ask how to do it people who had done it, DO NOT attempt to do it yourself.
Delegate maintenance to people in the know.
C14 is a gentle brute.

Cheers...
 
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ZXtasy on May 16, 2018, 10:41:57 am
My heated grips works excellently, good linear adjustment. I like the stock seat, go figure. TPMS is a drag when lo batteries but I will just let them die. Back pressure and helmet buffeting cured with Madstad brackets, almost every big ST has to see changes to personalize airflow.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Egodriver71 on May 16, 2018, 10:55:06 am
Like,

pretty much everything



Dislike,

No factory cc
No factory heated grips, I have an `09
Not as good of gas mileage as I'd like, but hopefully with SiSF's flash that'll improve
Small fuel tank compared to the C10 and other ST bikes
No factory dual exhaust
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: roy826 on May 16, 2018, 11:03:03 am
I like to travel fast, it does that very well.

It handles reasonably well for it's size. Little top heavy to me but I deal with it.

I own a 2012 and I hate the linked brakes. I deal with them. Mine has a had a few problems, valve cover leakage and exhaust cam sensor oring leak. Fuel pump is the latest issue. I have done my own repairs on those. My cam chain tensioner rattles pretty loud on cold start ups but I am not addressing that as I have had this happen on Suzuki's and Yamaha's I have owned.

I have put about 10,500 miles on it in 11 months. Bought it used with 5800 miles on it. I knew about all the issues that some have up front before buying it and the deal was to good to pass up.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ghostrider990 on May 16, 2018, 11:22:06 am
One of the things that attracted me to this bike, was the community and availability of aftermarket parts, and upgrades. I personally enjoy working on my bike, and making it better for me.  With the support of vendors and the COG, it's very easy to source and install virtually anything you need or want to make your bike your own!

Customizing this bike to fit your individual needs and style is one of the things that makes it great, and there is no shortage of support and friends on this site that will help you get there!  :great:
Let's face it: the Connie isn't the most updated technological platform, but that also makes it reliable and easy to work on, and upgrade.

One of the biggest downsides to doing major miles is lack of cruise control.
That is solved (not easily) by adding a Rostra or McCruise, and they both work flawlessly.

For me, the hardest thing to do, most expensive, and something that was a deal-breaker for me, was dual exhaust.  Mostly for looks, and visual balance - it's been proven that the performance is a non-starter, when applying Steve's Flash.  Since Muzzy's went out of business, the only options for duals are zx-14 headers and pipes.

Steve's flash is probably one of the best, affordable upgrades for the Connie. Period.

Reliability and an extendable warranty up to 9 years, makes this one of the most reliable, affordable Sports-Tourers on the planet.

I could go on, but everybody else is covering this pretty well.

Good luck, and welcome!

gr
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 12:33:21 pm
One of the things that attracted me to this bike, was the community and availability of aftermarket parts, and upgrades. I personally enjoy working on my bike, and making it better for me.  With the support of vendors and the COG, it's very easy to source and install virtually anything you need or want to make your bike your own!

Customizing this bike to fit your individual needs and style is one of the things that makes it great, and there is no shortage of support and friends on this site that will help you get there!  :great:
Let's face it: the Connie isn't the most updated technological platform, but that also makes it reliable and easy to work on, and upgrade.

One of the biggest downsides to doing major miles is lack of cruise control.
That is solved (not easily) by adding a Rostra or McCruise, and they both work flawlessly.

For me, the hardest thing to do, most expensive, and something that was a deal-breaker for me, was dual exhaust.  Mostly for looks, and visual balance - it's been proven that the performance is a non-starter, when applying Steve's Flash.  Since Muzzy's went out of business, the only options for duals are zx-14 headers and pipes.

Steve's flash is probably one of the best, affordable upgrades for the Connie. Period.

Reliability and an extendable warranty up to 9 years, makes this one of the most reliable, affordable Sports-Tourers on the planet.

I could go on, but everybody else is covering this pretty well.

Good luck, and welcome!

gr

That’s good to know since I can’t leave anything alone that I buy. The rostra I’ve looked at and will install on the ST. Doesn’t look too bad to install, although not sure how much room there is on the Connie to do the mod. Pipes don’t bother me much these days. I got burned out on that working at a Harley dealer for a decade, lol.
I’ve looked at the FJR a little bit too, and like the bigger tank, and the factory cruise. The thing I’m not crazy with on those, is that they have a little bit too much technology in them, like the electronically adjustable suspension. Don’t get me wrong, technology doesn’t scare me, but that sounds like a complicated and expensive system. The overall price is a sticking point on that one as well, along with it doesn’t look as good either! (Admittedly the tail end I like better than the conti......)

And that’s why I’m leaning toward a ‘15+ With the linked brakes issue. I’m actually a little surprised that the don’t have a software update for that particular issue. I suppose it might have more to do with the pump rather than the programming.......

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ConcoursKZ on May 16, 2018, 12:44:57 pm
6'2 250. Aside from a taller windshield for winter riding my 08 is totally stock. 60,000 miles with no issues. I cannot see selling it any time soon. It's more than fast enough and comfortable for 500 mile days. I have no dislikes.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 12:46:59 pm
Does the suspension have enough settings to accommodate ya without maxing everything out?

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: roy826 on May 16, 2018, 01:33:29 pm
Does the suspension have enough settings to accommodate ya without maxing everything out?

Frank

Mine does stock but I only weigh 135ish  ;D
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 03:08:01 pm
Does the suspension have enough settings to accommodate ya without maxing everything out?

Frank

Mine does stock but I only weigh 135ish  ;D

I haven’t weighed 135 since like 6th grade, haha!

No, the reason I was wondering, is there had to be a lot of changes made on the ST to accommodate me, lol. Just wanna make sure I don’t have to worry about that.

On a different note, I just went to the dealer, and checked out both the 14 and an FJR. I stopped listening to the salesman, when he proceeded to tell me that they were the exact same bike, other than the FJR takes a key, and the 14 doesn’t. Oh, and that they were  the same price.....

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on May 16, 2018, 03:39:25 pm
Quote
And that’s why I’m leaning toward a ‘15+ With the linked brakes issue.
In all honesty, I can't tell the difference if the brakes are linked on mine. My Connie is '16. The only time I can tell it is linked is when I apply both front and rear together, the front level become a bit stiffer. When in 1st gear there is no link brakes which helps maneuver at low speed.
 
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 04:00:00 pm
Quote
And that’s why I’m leaning toward a ‘15+ With the linked brakes issue.
In all honesty, I can't tell the difference if the brakes are linked on mine. My Connie is '16. The only time I can tell it is linked is when I apply both front and rear together, the front level become a bit stiffer. When in 1st gear there is no link brakes which helps maneuver at low speed.
 

Sorry...I meant to say with the linked brake issues ‘reaolved’. From what I’ve been reading, on the older ones, if you hit the rear brakes, the fronts would really grab more than they should, which supposedly was resolved in ‘15.

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Phil on May 16, 2018, 04:33:11 pm
Love everything about my C14, with the exception of a small niggle. Said niggle is the back pressure which, in cold weather, ads turbulence at the back of my neck, drawing cold air under the helmet.

 

I fixed that shortly after buying the bike in 2010 by installing the CalSci windscreen. The back pressure went away. I doubt I would have kept the bike so long had I not done that.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on May 16, 2018, 04:37:09 pm

On a different note, I just went to the dealer, and checked out both the 14 and an FJR. I stopped listening to the salesman, when he proceeded to tell me that they were the exact same bike, other than the FJR takes a key, and the 14 doesn’t. Oh, and that they were  the same price.....

Frank

  Well he doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course as sport touring bikes they're similar, but the fjr is more touring and the c-14 is more sport. I have a friend with a 2014 fjr, we swapped bikes a couple months ago and I spent about 90 miles or so on the fjr. it's a nice, capable bike. I wouldn't turn one down, but IMO my c-14 does everything I want  better than the FJR.  Steve
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Roger B on May 16, 2018, 05:12:36 pm
Does the suspension have enough settings to accommodate ya without maxing everything out?

Frank

Mine does stock but I only weigh 135ish  ;D



Surprised they were the same price, usually the FJR is a couple thousand more after negotiation.   You might be able to deal on the C14 better.   I would take either but I like my C14 and am happy with it.

I haven’t weighed 135 since like 6th grade, haha!

No, the reason I was wondering, is there had to be a lot of changes made on the ST to accommodate me, lol. Just wanna make sure I don’t have to worry about that.

On a different note, I just went to the dealer, and checked out both the 14 and an FJR. I stopped listening to the salesman, when he proceeded to tell me that they were the exact same bike, other than the FJR takes a key, and the 14 doesn’t. Oh, and that they were  the same price.....

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 16, 2018, 05:27:35 pm
Well, you guys know it, and I know that the FJR is more money...3k+ from what I was seeing. A local Harley dealer just bought this metric dealership a while back, and I’m pretty sure this guy worked there before. He didn’t seem into being there at all, much less trying to learn about what he was trying to sell. Plus, he could tell I wasn’t gonna buy anything right now this second.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Michael on May 16, 2018, 06:43:35 pm
Hello all.  New to the group, joined looking for quality guidance on my first set of replacement tires, thought I'd chime in to this thread.

Picked up a new 2016 C14 7 months ago and absolutely my favorite bike out of the five I have owned, though my previous favorite was my '08 CB250 Nighthawk, for whatever that is worth.  The other three were also Hondas, in 500, 700, and 1100cc's, though not owned in that order.  Something like 65k miles in the saddle, 4.5k of that on my new connie.

I love this bike though it may kill me, it's too tall and way too much juice.  I'm 5'10" with a 30' inseam so unless I have boots with fat soles on, I can't flat foot.  Learning to use the electronics on the dash may be a thing but nothing that's really either a pro or a con.  Riding this bike is always a pleasure and since I live in Tucson, that's a year round thing for me.  First bike I have owned that literally everyone tells me how much they like my bike.  I've had strangers roll down their windows at intersections to ask me about my bike and tell me how much they like it.  I'm generally not much about being flashy but I feel just a tad cool in the saddle of this bike.  At 54 being a run of the mill guy and dad, cool doesn't happen to me very often.

Riding posture is not quite as comfortable as I would prefer, wrist fatigue is something I'd like to address and resolve if ever I take it on a road trip.

The full lowers, heated grips, and electric windshield make riding on cool mornings nothing to worry about, with a little warm clothing on at least, though I haven't seen temps below 30F as our winters are pretty mild.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 17, 2018, 12:10:32 am
Hello all.  New to the group, joined looking for quality guidance on my first set of replacement tires, thought I'd chime in to this thread.

Picked up a new 2016 C14 7 months ago and absolutely my favorite bike out of the five I have owned, though my previous favorite was my '08 CB250 Nighthawk, for whatever that is worth.  The other three were also Hondas, in 500, 700, and 1100cc's, though not owned in that order.  Something like 65k miles in the saddle, 4.5k of that on my new connie.

I love this bike though it may kill me, it's too tall and way too much juice.  I'm 5'10" with a 30' inseam so unless I have boots with fat soles on, I can't flat foot.  Learning to use the electronics on the dash may be a thing but nothing that's really either a pro or a con.  Riding this bike is always a pleasure and since I live in Tucson, that's a year round thing for me.  First bike I have owned that literally everyone tells me how much they like my bike.  I've had strangers roll down their windows at intersections to ask me about my bike and tell me how much they like it.  I'm generally not much about being flashy but I feel just a tad cool in the saddle of this bike.  At 54 being a run of the mill guy and dad, cool doesn't happen to me very often.

Riding posture is not quite as comfortable as I would prefer, wrist fatigue is something I'd like to address and resolve if ever I take it on a road trip.

The full lowers, heated grips, and electric windshield make riding on cool mornings nothing to worry about, with a little warm clothing on at least, though I haven't seen temps below 30F as our winters are pretty mild.

I had this issue on my ST,  put 6” risers on. I’ve seen some 2” ones for the c14...every lot bit helps, and I’m sure they make taller ones. Or maybe different bars?
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: 66ranger on May 17, 2018, 01:37:12 am
I've got a 2010 abs  and I really like it, BUT....try checking your antifreeze level in the reserve bottle...after you've spent your  free time  removing fairing(s) and finally get down to the bottle, you've shot the morning.  Then you have to replace all that plastic.  What a pain.  A simple access door would be nice and surely not that hard to engineer.  Those fairings are giant puzzle and you need a handful of 'Quick rivets' to put It back together. I can't imagine what it costs to have the valves checked with all the time killed on just getting to the engine, but I guess I'll find out someday.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Roger B on May 17, 2018, 12:10:52 pm
Hello all.  New to the group, joined looking for quality guidance on my first set of replacement tires, thought I'd chime in to this thread.

Picked up a new 2016 C14 7 months ago and absolutely my favorite bike out of the five I have owned, though my previous favorite was my '08 CB250 Nighthawk, for whatever that is worth.  The other three were also Hondas, in 500, 700, and 1100cc's, though not owned in that order.  Something like 65k miles in the saddle, 4.5k of that on my new connie.

I love this bike though it may kill me, it's too tall and way too much juice.  I'm 5'10" with a 30' inseam so unless I have boots with fat soles on, I can't flat foot.  Learning to use the electronics on the dash may be a thing but nothing that's really either a pro or a con.  Riding this bike is always a pleasure and since I live in Tucson, that's a year round thing for me.  First bike I have owned that literally everyone tells me how much they like my bike.  I've had strangers roll down their windows at intersections to ask me about my bike and tell me how much they like it.  I'm generally not much about being flashy but I feel just a tad cool in the saddle of this bike.  At 54 being a run of the mill guy and dad, cool doesn't happen to me very often.

Riding posture is not quite as comfortable as I would prefer, wrist fatigue is something I'd like to address and resolve if ever I take it on a road trip.

The full lowers, heated grips, and electric windshield make riding on cool mornings nothing to worry about, with a little warm clothing on at least, though I haven't seen temps below 30F as our winters are pretty mild.

I had this issue on my ST,  put 6” risers on. I’ve seen some 2” ones for the c14...every lot bit helps, and I’m sure they make taller ones. Or maybe different bars?



If you get risers, get the risers that raise it up and back.   AST risers I believe is the brand name, no problem with any cables or wiring.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Just Cliff on May 17, 2018, 02:08:40 pm
The C14 is simply the most bang for the buck period IMO. They're bullet proof, best warranty in the business. Eats miles for cross country travel, 2 up or solo. Handles the sport side of riding rather well also.

Discussing the seat, shield, bars is all a mute point. No bike will ever be built to suit everyone. With rider heights varying easily by a foot, weight by 200 pounds it simply can't be done. The vary reason for a thriving aftermarket.

All modern bikes bikes wrapped in plastic are a PITA to work on. Accessing the air filter on my V-Strom is much worse than the C14. 1800 Goldwing you better plan a full day to change a filter.

After 10 years of owning my 08 I still love everything about it & never bore with it. Would buy another in a heartbeat should mine die!  :)

With the EVO flash it gets in the high 40's on mileage. 47 - 48 is common, but then I'm old & slow.  :motonoises:

Just my.02!

Cliff   :beerchug: 
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 17, 2018, 04:10:25 pm
Totally agree with all of that. I try to make sure there’s several things to get done instead of just 1 when taking the Tupperware off the ST. It’s a pain. The real pain is actually just keeping all the hardware straight, cause there’s a lot!
I sat on the one at the dealership, and it actually felt a lot like what I’m used to. Although I’m sure I’ll have to raise the bars and maybe lower the pegs a bit (along with another RDL seat).
I seen a post floating around on the bags ejecting themselves from the bike. How big of a deal is that? On mine that’s an issue too, and a lot of people rig a fastener up for insurance. Really digging the way they mount  on the C14, although you always have to use the key to just open them don’t ya?
What do you guys think of the optional trunk? Is it worth it, or just get a givi or bestem?

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Roger B on May 17, 2018, 04:33:04 pm
Totally agree with all of that. I try to make sure there’s several things to get done instead of just 1 when taking the Tupperware off the ST. It’s a pain. The real pain is actually just keeping all the hardware straight, cause there’s a lot!
I sat on the one at the dealership, and it actually felt a lot like what I’m used to. Although I’m sure I’ll have to raise the bars and maybe lower the pegs a bit (along with another RDL seat).
I seen a post floating around on the bags ejecting themselves from the bike. How big of a deal is that? On mine that’s an issue too, and a lot of people rig a fastener up for insurance. Really digging the way they mount  on the C14, although you always have to use the key to just open them don’t ya?
What do you guys think of the optional trunk? Is it worth it, or just get a givi or bestem?

Frank


I have the matching Kawasaki trunk.  I bought it because it matches which I like.       I believe the trunk is actually a GIVI monolock, GIVI's cheaper case.   The Monokey is a heavier duty unit.
 There are others out there that are better but I like to match.       :)
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: oldguysti on May 17, 2018, 11:45:53 pm
Love the C14 (mine is a 13) for....
Good looker
handles very well at speed
Ergonomics (with my bar risers)
adjustable windshield
very smooth with Steve's newest flash (very easy to do as well)
wife enjoys riding with me on it (with a backrest)

Dislikes....
stock seat good for shorter rides only. (currently using the AirHawk instead of bigger investment)
some maintenance (valve adjustment, and air filter change a real PITA)
heavy and thus slow speed handling not best, but OK
linked brakes takes some getting used to, but OK....can disable.

Hates....
KiPass is simply unnecessary cost for the benefit and adds lots of negatives (never had a problem with simple keys)
as I just found out recently....can't clear a damn ECU code easily...must ride with the LCD hi-jacked and reduced useful info.

Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: NinjaBreadMan on May 18, 2018, 03:26:21 am
Mine's a 2016, with Canyon Cages, Puig windscreen, Throttlemeister, LED lights, and 2" risers added.  Love the bike, it's powerful but refined, smooth throughout the entire power band.  Fun to ride, looks terrific, and provides great value for the price.  Kawi made some nice changes to the 2015+ models with the lower first gear, better seat, vented windscreen, and linked brakes improvement.  My only dislikes are that it's top-heavy at low speeds, and it could use more accessory power.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on May 18, 2018, 03:36:26 am
Love everything about my C14, with the exception of a small niggle. Said niggle is the back pressure which, in cold weather, ads turbulence at the back of my neck, drawing cold air under the helmet.

 

I fixed that shortly after buying the bike in 2010 by installing the CalSci windscreen. The back pressure went away. I doubt I would have kept the bike so long had I not done that.
I've tried that as well. I spent more than I should have on windscreens and deflectors trying to resolve said turbulence. The best I've found so far, factory set up with different garments during cold days works best for me.
 
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Colt45 on May 18, 2018, 03:48:32 am
I bought my '09 used with 600 miles and a full AreaP system on it.  I am almost 6'-2, 33" inseam, 77 inch wingspan.  The ergos of the bike are perfect.  I tried a ZX-14 seat and went back to the stock ZG seat.  Named it Transcontinental Ballistic Missile after it's first trip to TX.   

I don't like KiPass, but it has not given me trouble.  It's just a stupid pet trick that is unneeded.  Keep fob under the seat and have a normal key cut and you have a nice ST, sans stupidity. 
Fuel mileage is substandard, high 30s to low 40s, but I can't seem to hold a steady speed below 90 (pre-flash).   ;D
The stroke of the windshield is too short (for me).  It goes almost low enough for hot weather, but can't throw the air over my helmet all the way up. 
Early versions have limited rear vision from the mirrors.  Add Gold Wang Hot Spot mirrors on top, you're good. 

Oh yeah, the instrument backlight is red-orange.  Can't focus red light at night.  Never know my speed at night.  Another bonehead move.  Aircraft quit using red IP lights in the 80s.  Hurts more than helps.  Approaching headlights kill night vision anyway, red no use. 

Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: turbojoe78_MA on May 18, 2018, 11:37:20 am
I seen a post floating around on the bags ejecting themselves from the bike. How big of a deal is that? On mine that’s an issue too, and a lot of people rig a fastener up for insurance. Really digging the way they mount  on the C14, although you always have to use the key to just open them don’t ya?

Frank

You can have a couple keys cut and mount them in radio knobs or bottle caps and the bags will open when ever you want them to, remove the knob / key and there all locked up.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Roger B on May 18, 2018, 12:34:22 pm
I seen a post floating around on the bags ejecting themselves from the bike. How big of a deal is that? On mine that’s an issue too, and a lot of people rig a fastener up for insurance. Really digging the way they mount  on the C14, although you always have to use the key to just open them don’t ya?

Frank

You can have a couple keys cut and mount them in radio knobs or bottle caps and the bags will open when ever you want them to, remove the knob / key and there all locked up.



I really like this idea.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: bowtie39 on May 18, 2018, 12:36:32 pm
And they work well to unlock gas cap
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: LakeTrax on May 18, 2018, 02:00:20 pm
I also loathed the linked-brakes on my 2012.
They were plenty powerful but unnerving when front & rear were applied together.

After getting "used to them", I would find myself braking unnaturally every time I rode a different motorcycle. Not cool-
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: connie_rider on May 18, 2018, 02:27:25 pm
On every bike a person buys, there are likes and dislikes about ergonomics, {seat, windshield, bar height, ride height, etc.}
   ie; I think of those, as more a measure of preference than likes/dislikes.

My only real dislike on my 2014 C-14 is the linked brakes..
  I used the KISS Principal and did the simplest fix of all.
         "I don't use the back brake pedal".
                  Problem solved...

{Because I'm old and set in my ways} it took a bit to re-teach myself.
 But it works perfectly, and stops just as fast, because the "link system" applies the rear for me.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: smithr1 on May 18, 2018, 03:17:14 pm
I like the POWER
I dislike the POWER
Only when I am not in control of it or when trying to hold the weight up.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: joliver on May 18, 2018, 03:45:09 pm
I have a 2015.
Likes
Anti-lock brakes. My previous bike was a c-10, 2002. Had a very similar situation with a deer cutting me off while I was going considerably over the speed limit. With the O2, it was debateable if both the deer and I would going home to our family. With my 2015, there was never any doubt that it would end well.
Flash. Not sure why the bike is not just made that way. Makes the bike so smooth and perhaps it is my over active imagination but it seems to shift so smoothly as well.
Power: More than I will ever use.
Adjustable wind shield. On a hot day, it is nice to have the option of lowering the wind shield.

Dislikes
Stock seat. The seat does not agree with me on a long days. I don't get the opportunity to do long days very often so I have yet to upgrade.
Height. Not the bike's fault but with a 29 inch inseam, don't let your mind wander when you are about to put your foot down. With 32,000 km, I have not had any issues. Using your feet to back the bike up is nasty. I have had the opportunity to ride cruisers and what I really like is I can back up using my feet. Other than that, no.

I have zero regrets and to me, that is an important feature.


Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 23, 2018, 04:40:19 pm
I appreciate you guys posting up your experiences! It’s helping me kind of get a feel for the bike without even having one yet.
With that being said, I really want a green one (‘15), but I’m not stuck on one if a different year pops up. The main thing I’m kind of concerned about is the linked brakes on the older ones. Is it enough of a difference to not buy one? I’ve rode well over a couple hundred thousand miles on no abs/tc bikes, so whichever I end up getting will be a different experience for me altogether....

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Roger B on May 23, 2018, 07:59:04 pm
I have a 2010, the linked brakes are a none issue with me.   Actually I like it.   I had linked brakes on a 1997 Honda CBR1100XX that the front brake activated more of the rear than my C14 does.   The Blackbird didn't have ABS and I didn't mind it's braking either.   I liked that the rear brake was automatically being applied, only issue was if you were doing a smoky burnout with the front brake applied...wear out rear pads.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: cuda on May 23, 2018, 09:06:18 pm
Yeah what is all this brake problem BS ...

Bought my 2011 new and I'll keep it FOREVER

Brakes are just FINE YOU UNDERSTAND. :violent-smiley-007: :allhail: :021: :loco: :tool: :victory: :29: :67: O:-)

Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 24, 2018, 02:25:53 am
Found a 2010 with almost 50k mikes for $4500...

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: TJ on May 27, 2018, 09:19:12 pm
Have had a 2012 & now a 2017.

GRIPES:

The newer bike's brakes are MUCH better in my opinion. The linked brakes on my 2012 are in large part what drove me to trade the bike.

I still don't like FOB's. Give me a real key please.

Needs a touch more range.

Don't really like having to pull the key out to unlock the panniers.

No factory cruise control.

Heated grips could be stronger.

Likes:

Great value - (qualifier) - depending on what your comfort and convenience expectations are and the mods you throw at that goal.

Absolutely superb engine and trans.

Fun to ride.

Relaibility.

Aftermarket - This bike is truly transformed with the right modifications.

Versatility. It's long legged, but not so big and cumbersome that it can't be a "do it all" type bike.

Great ownership / fellow owners.           
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Old77zrider on May 30, 2018, 12:18:23 am
Found a 2010 with almost 50k mikes for $4500...

Frank

Did you buy it? and if so are you happy?

I bought a 2009 with 19k miles (no linked brakes back then) ;) for $6ooo and really like it a lot.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 30, 2018, 05:41:11 pm
No, I’m not quite ready to finance anything, and I’m waiting for some money to hit. The gf and I went to the flat track races in Springfield last weekend with a friend and some friends of his, one that owns a Honda/kawi dealership. He’s really good to deal with, and has been in the biz for a really long time. I told him it’s probably going to be February, and I’ll buy a leftover ‘17 from him. He said that’s the way to do it, to be able to get a deep discount. So it looks like I’ll be buying a new one with probably a trunk, a touring seat, and an extended warranty..

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 30, 2018, 06:05:54 pm
Have had a 2012 & now a 2017.

GRIPES:

The newer bike's brakes are MUCH better in my opinion. The linked brakes on my 2012 are in large part what drove me to trade the bike.

I still don't like FOB's. Give me a real key please.

Needs a touch more range.

Don't really like having to pull the key out to unlock the panniers.

No factory cruise control.

Heated grips could be stronger.

Likes:

Great value - (qualifier) - depending on what your comfort and convenience expectations are and the mods you throw at that goal.

Absolutely superb engine and trans.

Fun to ride.

Relaibility.

Aftermarket - This bike is truly transformed with the right modifications.

Versatility. It's long legged, but not so big and cumbersome that it can't be a "do it all" type bike.

Great ownership / fellow owners.           

That’s good input right there....a before and after snapshot is what I was hoping for.

I’ve been abusing the inter webs more than I wanna admit, and plans have been made, lol! Shudaben flash, 2 brothers pipe, radiator screen, risers, canyon bars, phil’s rack, and some LED’s are in the ‘short’ list.......

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: smooth_operator on May 30, 2018, 11:40:24 pm
Mine is a 12.  Dislikes:

linked brakes are poor but very strong. Not really an issue for me as I got used to them quickly.
Even with 2" set back and wedges the bars are just too low and far away for my stubby arms.
I'm too cheap to buy heli bars so I just live with it.

Main likes:
Power to pull away from any group of cagers in any gear.
Great power with decent mileage ( I average around 44 )
Did I mention the power?


Oh, and the Joy of recording a 10.94 run at my local dragstrip.   What a gas!! :motonoises: :great: :beerchug:
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Deanc on May 31, 2018, 01:34:01 pm
One of the things I REALLY like about it is the 7.4 gal fuel tank. What kind of fuel mileage are you guys seeing? I know it’s about 1.5 gal less than the ST, but if the mileage is better it would be a moot point. The

Frank, I rode pretty hard through the Ozarks over the weekend on my 2011 and had a range of over 200 miles on a single tank. 
I do have SISF Mountain Runner flash and this does impact fuel mileage (for the better).
I, as many on this forum highly recommend a SISF ECU flash.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on May 31, 2018, 03:11:17 pm
One of the things I REALLY like about it is the 7.4 gal fuel tank. What kind of fuel mileage are you guys seeing? I know it’s about 1.5 gal less than the ST, but if the mileage is better it would be a moot point. The

Frank, I rode pretty hard through the Ozarks over the weekend on my 2011 and had a range of over 200 miles on a single tank. 
I do have SISF Mountain Runner flash and this does impact fuel mileage (for the better).
I, as many on this forum highly recommend a SISF ECU flash.

That takes care of my complaint of fuel range...I rode a stretch through Utah and ran out of fuel just as I pulled up to the gas pump. 273 miles, and it took 7.329 gallons. That’s 37ish mpg. The best mileage was 54 mpg, and the worst was 35 mpg. I’m thinking having fuel injection on a newer ‘slightly’ less heavy machine, will be much more consistent than the ole carburetors. ( Seems like I’ve seen a fair amount of 50’s mpg with the flash and in eco mode on here...) I don’t really know that for sure though, since I’ve never owned a fuelie bike. Ridden a ton of them, just never able to put real miles on one. I ride mostly like your average grandma...mostly....

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Boomer on May 31, 2018, 07:32:26 pm
Awesome motor, brakes, handling, luggage.
Comfort not so good but fixable, fairing OK.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Phil on May 31, 2018, 08:27:15 pm

I still don't like FOB's. Give me a real key please.
     

Amen! I have a 2009, bought it new in 2010 over the 2010, since I didn't want linked brakes. Love the bike, hate the FOB. I even told the salesman that was a negative, not a positive when he mentioned it as a plus. I bought the bike because, other than that, it was a good bike. I still have it, and still love the bike. Still hate KIPASS though.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: ron203 on May 31, 2018, 09:24:51 pm
I didn't like the fob...at first. Now I do - sort of...  I bought a used Goldwing and found myself having to return to it to take out the key. For some reason, I kept on shutting it down and just.....walking away...  :D

Then, I couldn't figure out why the Wing key was hard to turn to the "On" position???? Then I realized I was pressing IN on it like a certain Kawasaki model. Doh!   :-[ 

Muscle  memory, I guess..
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Cali Cruiser on May 31, 2018, 10:11:42 pm
Likes: Everything about it from its looks to it being the only bike I've ever owned that makes taking long camping trips with my wife convenient.

Dislikes: None- I've remedied those.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Throttle 8 on June 02, 2018, 06:58:48 pm
 LIKES          1.Horsepower!
                    2.Great Handling for size
                    3.Comfort and style
DISLIKES      1.Lack of Cruise
                    2.Seat height a little tall
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on June 06, 2018, 02:01:19 pm
Talked to the dealer yesterday...looks like I’ll be getting a left over  blue ‘17 likely in the fall. Or a leftover silver ‘16 if I can still find one by then (I’ve seen a couple). It will be $3,500 off of msrp. Unless the ‘19’s come in green, or offer some other equipment that blows my skirt up, and then I’ll buy one of those at $3k off.....man, I’m antsy to get my hands on one!

Frank
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: sc on June 06, 2018, 04:25:29 pm
what '19 model? I thought they stopped production due to not meeting euro emissions?
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: connie_rider on June 06, 2018, 04:41:21 pm
As I understand it, they stopped selling them in "Europe".

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Roger B on June 06, 2018, 06:11:59 pm
Hope they continue selling in the states.   The C14 and it's faster brother ZX14r are the best bargains out there and the tops in their class.   Not to mention extremely reliable.   My opinion.
Title: Re: What do you like and dislike about the C14
Post by: Bueller on June 07, 2018, 02:31:38 pm
I see one of three things happening...
 1) they drop the concours, and call the H2SX it’s (more expensive/competitive) replacement,
 2) they leave it the same as it is, and
 3) they update some stuff, and bump up the price a grand or two. Personally, I think that’s the order of what ‘might’ happen.

I was considering spending a bit more, and getting the H2. Until I spied the chain. Chains belong on dirt bikes IMHO, not on a sport tourer. It’s definitely more sport oriented than it needs to be (that’s why they put a chain on it, I suppose), even though it does have what every one whines about the Connie not having....cruise control. And personally, I don’t ‘need’ that much power. The ST still has a lot of power when coming off of primarily Harley’s and buell’s, lol

Frank