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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2008, 03:06:00 pm »
but when he said $11,050 for the ABS model, I couldn't say no. But at the time, I was considering the K1200GT which was only $4k more.    yAH....on what planet was this? Kalifornya?    On the east coast, the K1200GT was sitting @ $18,600 + freight ($475), for the lowest equipped versions, of which there were no such animals as the dealers bought "package bikes", all of which hovered at or above $20k + Tax/tag/title/dealer fees (approx $2k on that price)    these guys are one of the premier dealers in va:  http://www.mortonsbmw.com/newbikes.html  check the prices....they never deal either....        Rich Riczinger  COG 5977  Tech Editor,The Concourier  

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2008, 04:14:00 pm »
Poorly worded... the hang tag on the ABS C14 was $14.5k, and local BMW shops had the K12GT for $18 and change, hence the $4k figure.    Local BMW dealers tend not to negotiate on price, but throw in a lot of other incentives - riding gear, accessories, training, etc.  
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 08:52:00 am »
Hey Jim,  Glad y'all had fun in Schweiz and all got home safe.    Yer really comparing apples and pears.  The BMW GS is going to handle the mountain passes better than any sports or ST bike.  You have wider bars, better visibility (higher) and it's a twin an thus better power/torque delivery at low rpm.    Now if you were comparing the C14 with the K1200GT on the same roads it'd be a fair comparison.    As for the prices, here the C14 is
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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2008, 10:43:00 am »
Boomer wrote:    Now if you were comparing the C14 with the K1200GT on the same roads it'd be a fair comparison.    As for the prices, here the C14 is
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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2008, 05:22:00 pm »
Boomer wrote:  Yer really comparing apples and pears.   The BMW GS is going to handle the mountain passes better than any sports or ST bike.   You have wider bars, better visibility (higher) and it's a twin an thus better power/torque delivery at low rpm.   ------------------------------------------  Yeah, that was what I tried to point out in my report in the other post, and here in my dig at Bob. But the argument could be made that the 12GS is an ST bike. It certainly was sporting on those roads, and it tours marvelously. Considering how many guys put on bars risers or aftermarket bars that are higher/wider and add cushy saddles on their so-called ST bikes, I gotta ask the question... Just what makes an ST bike? Some say a ZX14 with soft luggage is sport touring. For others it has to be the comfort of a Pan-European. So the category is wide open.    Never had a chance to ride the 12GT, one of these days I'll go try one.    I think the F650 is a little small for Boomer <LOL>. Hell, even the F800 would be small.    Cheers  Jim  
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2008, 10:12:00 am »
Mr. Hudspeth wrote:"So don't nobody..."     ???  Ahh...now I see why you think your Bimmer is better (wink)    I'd like to reply:    drum roll....    10.  I doubt it...my C14 averages 45 to 47 mpg if I tame my wrist.  And that is actual calculated MPG..not some non-sense off the pilot box    9.  Indeed...indeed.  That's because this beast is putting about 40% more torque to the rear wheel.    8.  TOO MUCH power?  Man you wouldn't make much of a Congressman!     7. I wouldn't know.  I take mine to the shop.    6. Ladies KNOW I'm loaded.  But in reality the ony one I'm trying to impress is the only lady. ;p    5. After having this KiPass...I don't ever want a bike WITHOUT one.    4. My luggage has never fallen off in 20,000 miles.  At least my drive shaft won't fall off Mr. BMW. :p    3. Nope dash never melted...but I've "melted" a few rear tires.    2.  Personally I would have a heated grip stuck up my azz.  If it's less than 40 I'm taking a car.    1. I stil don't get the heat thing.  never have.  The heat from the Concours is non-existent in my book.  If you wants some heat take my 25 year old full dressed Yamaha XS1100 (air cooled inline four with lowers) across Nevada in August.  The C14 has no heat compared to a bike like this.    I noticed you didn't criticize the "looks" of the C14.  Hmmm...probably because this is the only view you've had of one... :eg:    A Bimmer Pilot's view of a C14 ;p    MOO!  
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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2008, 02:29:00 pm »
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I have to disagree, Bob, the value IS there for a large percantage of riders, touring riders included. I work with a guy who has a 12LT and just last week turned 200k with no problems. And on a daily basis, I see almost as many R12GS's running around the valley as I do Japanese bikes. (FYI, BMW is metric, if you didn't know)    Yes, I chose a C10 back in 86 because it was the better deal at the time. Only $6k OTD. But one can argue now that the price differential isn't as much of a factor as it used to be. $14k to $15k for the new Japanese ST bikes isn't that much less than the BMW's. When my C10 needed replacing, I looked at Beemers, but I decided the value of the C10 was still there so I got another one. And with the new 14, I caught the dealer on a major down day - end of month, rainy day, almost the end of the year... he was hurting for a sale. For two hours we went back and forth. I walked out the door several times only to have him make me another offer. I didn't need another bike, I wasn't really planning on buying in the first place, but when he said $11,050 for the ABS model, I couldn't say no. But at the time, I was considering the K1200GT which was only $4k more.    One thing that may not have come across in my post is the versatility of the 1200GS. Remember how we all raved about how the C10 was just a great all around bike? A real pack mule that could do it all? Well the 1200GS is even better. Better balanced, more agile, less tippy, better low end grunt, more carrying capacity... the only place it lacks is top end and admit it, just how often can we ride over 100mph for miles on end? The GS can do it, just not as comfortably.    Ya know, Bob, I suspect you've always been a closet BMW fan but have gotten bitter because you couldn't afford one.
   Huh? I don't get it. You tell me "the value is there" and then run out and get a C14 after considering the K1200GT as the competition to the Concours? Something  ain't computin', Jim.    As for my own preferences, I'm out of the argument altogether, since I'm on a FJR1300. No, I don't yearn for a Beemer, car or bike.     I'm a "value" buyer which is why I'll take my Japanese sport sedan and my Yamaha bike all day long to anything from (is it?) Stuttart.     I think what I'm saying is that perception drives up the cost of anything with a BMW badge, at least in this country. Yes, they are high quality; yes there is lots of technology in them. (Well, to an extent. They're still just boxer twins in the case of the "R" bikes) Simply put, I think you get more bang on a Japanese bike then on any BMW of comparable ability.    It is not unfair to say that there is also a snob factor at play. BMW has traded on it for years.     By any measure, the Japanese offer very comparable bikes to anything from Germany. And their sales show it.       Bob "Flylooper" Burns  COG #5887  E Clampus Vitus, YB#1  '04 FJR 1300    
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2008, 09:55:00 pm »
No more BMW for me!! I owned an 87'K-75, a 96' K1100LT, and an 05'R1200GS. They had some good qualities to them but their bad points finally drove me away. They are too expensive and not worth it. Their dealer network is suffering. They were hard to maintain,simple things became uneccessarily difficult because of poor, quirky design. Parts are expensive. The seats were uncomfortable. Two final drive failures on my 1200GS. The list goes on but I have to go for now. Don't be fooled by thinking you're moving up to a BMW. You're just buying a money pit. I have an 09 C14 now and let me tell you,its just as good a bike and in most ways better! Definately more fun!!  

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2008, 02:20:00 pm »
easier to work on ?  My riding partner has an R1150S 2hr battery cahnge and a $175$ battery  #7 means you must be real ugly  #8 too much power ???? go back to your BMW moped  All BMW means is big mans wallet  1,2,3,4,10 ain't happening here      
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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2009, 08:44:00 am »
Just an observation.. if it last longer than 4 hours, see a doctor right away. I usually stop after 3 hours to calm down.   Ted  Proud to be American!       (since 2005)    Lost and found in 1991     2008 C14 "Freebird"
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2009, 09:02:00 am »
my undies are okay but couldn't resist to respond  you get more than 51 mpg?  I wear my tire out faster than you on your BMW because of the way I ride, it's me not the bike!!1  not too much power? I can't have enough power because I Use all the powerI can get  Ladies think I'm rich because I pay to have my bike serviced, and I can afford to have that done  I love my KIPASS because because the ladies think I can do magic, turn my bike on without a key! wow  Haven't lost my luggage, or my marbles, or anything else and my bags are bigger than yours,  My dash doesn't melt and it looks so much cooler than yours.   Heated grips? 100 dgrees out here! hello!if i need all that I buy a mercedes not a bike  heat on my legs? poor baby, get a car with A/C. it's hot out here, wonder where the heat is coming from, maybe I should just ride in the winter? Maybe the heat has something to do with getting huge? hmmm?  Glad YOU have a BMW not me! Less power to you!  thanls for the kind input and reaffirming me that I bought the right bike for MYSELF!    Ted    Proud to be American!       (since 2005)    Lost and found in 1991     2008 C14 "Freebird"
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2009, 09:16:00 am »
I was just wondering ...  I would like someone to ride with me in the twiesties with the bike they say works so much better than my C-14 and put that to a real life test. I don't by this at all that other bikes do better in the mountains etc. I ride in the mountains almost every saturday and I have friends on CRB1000. I hand with this (the good riders) in the corners and they have to work to keep up with me. the bike is so easy to handle in the corners and tight roads , I just don't know how it can get any better or easier.   Just an observation. maybe we should have some bmw riders at the nationals and do the tail of the dragon and put that mystery to rest  just a thought!  Proud to be American!       (since 2005)    Lost and found in 1991     2008 C14 "Freebird"
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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2009, 04:53:00 pm »
In the end it just comes down to what you think is right for you.     That decision is based on fact, fiction, marketing, and how deep your pockets are; and the relative importance of each of those four things varies from person to person.     Are you happy with your ride? Great!     Fire the thing up and let's get going.   Bob "Flylooper" Burns  COG #5887  E Clampus Vitus, YB#1  '04 FJR 1300  
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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2009, 10:48:00 pm »
do me a favor and talk to me about that exhaust system you have and anything else you've done to your C-14  I just got back from the big bend ride with the texans. we had a blast. we had to cover some dirt road for awhile to get back on the regular road. there were 2 bmw's who had past us while we were TAKING A BREAK, and they had turned around and not gone across the dirt road. were they afraid to get their bikes dirty or else?  We might need a forum for these guys on our site   "Beware Motorcyclist Whiner" so we can talk about our   Connies here and not have to let them cry on our shoulders about their costly mistakes and  trying to make them feel better about it.  Ted  Proud to be American!       (since 2005)    Lost and found in 1991     2008 C14 "Freebird"
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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2009, 12:06:00 am »
I'm just going to keep it simple. I just don't believe there is another bike out there (including BMW) which can put as big of smile on my face as the C-14 everytime I ride it.    
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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2009, 10:50:00 am »
Both have wheels. Both are fun.  I rode the C10 model for 8 years. I finally got tired of waiting for the C14 to show up. I bought my first BMW in 2005 RT1150 dual spark.  Good bike but in my opinion was NOT as good as the Connie. I had the Rifle and Corbin.   Next year I traded for a SMALLER BMW a R1150RS.  Good bike but it had the studdering in the low RPM range that BMW said it did not exist.  It was single spark.  Then I traded up one year and got a dual spark RS.  Good bike but not as comfortable as the Connie. Fun though.  In 07 I traded again for a R1200RT. Great bike. As good as my old Connie.  Different but still great.    Here is the nail. I put over 80K on two Connies and it cost me only $2500 purchase vs resale.  I considered them free bikes.    Now the BMW  I must have spent $10K to purchase vs trade in over the last 4 bikes.  OUCH!    Good news is I plan to keep it and put 100K and more on this RT12.  It is that good.  Of course so is the Connie.    If you see a Blue BMW R1200RT in the Central Valley of California say HI.    Bill P  

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« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2009, 07:46:00 pm »
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 Ted wrote: "I would like someone to ride with me in the twiesties with the bike they say works so much better than my C-14"  
   Well, I don't know about riding in the "twiesties" (is that a right coast pronunciation?), but I do know how I did in the twisties of the Alps last summer on a BMW R1200GS (not the GSA) riding with a guy from England on a C14. He couldn't keep up. Sure, the Beemer has only about 2/3's of the horsepower of the 14, and a redline about 5k lower, but in the twisties, brute power isn't always what you want. The Beemer is about 140 lbs lighter, has wider handlebars providing more leverage in the turns, and has better low end torque. The tighter the road, the more it will run away. On wide open sweepers, yeah the 14 will leave, but in the twisties? Ehhh...    The 14 is not easy to handle in tight corners. It's heavy, first gear is too low, second too high and the fuel injection can be abrupt. Get into faster corners where you're in 3rd or 4th and it starts to work better.    Now, as I have a C10, a C14 and mountain roads within a half hour of my place that make the Dragon look like a yawn, I think my opinion of the 14 and how it handles is valid. Shame I won't be at the National - I'll be heading for Alaska instead.      
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2009, 11:26:00 am »
I gotta say:  If a guy on a CBR1000 is having trouble keeping up with a C14 in the mountains, there is only one valid explanation; he is a crap rider.  Period.    I know Jeff and some of you (in your minds) speedy riders might be embarrassed by him in the twisties.  I also know he put over 60k on a '99 concours and was just pulling your legs in the original post. You all rose to some stinky bait there. Bash all you want, but I'd ride with him on whatever he chooses to ride anyday, anywhere.  good guy, good rider.  

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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2009, 12:06:00 pm »
Because you paid too much money for it so you need any reason to make you feel good about yourself...   COG Member#8594  Ride often, Ride Safe.

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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2009, 01:40:00 pm »
In the spirit of Jeff Hudspeth's original post here is why my C-10 is better than your C-14.    10. My bigger tank and better gas mileage let me go much farther.   9. My tires last longer.   8. It's got just the right amount of power, not too little, and not too much.   7. It's sooooo much easier to work on.   6. Ladies like the comfort.   5. No KIPASS   4. Luggage is bigger and does not fall off.   3. Dash doesn't melt   2. Heated grips? ...we don't need no stinkin heated grips. :eg:     and the number 1 reason my C-10 is better than your C14 -    1. It's a Classic! :)    Mike Aldea, COG-528   Hawthorne, NJ    
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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2009, 11:57:00 am »
not to mention it makes great DEER Bait.....  heheheheheh      

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« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2009, 08:22:00 pm »
:gasp:    WHISTLE BLOWS    REF RAISES HAND    TWO MINUTES, MoB, FOR VERBAL ROUGHING!!!!     ;p    Terry Faherty   COG #792  AMA #526406  NYC Metro AAD and chief bottle washer  Bikes may change but a COGer forever!  
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« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2009, 03:38:00 pm »
10 Reason's why my C14 is better than a BMW...    10) It says Kawasaki on the side...  9)  I actually see Kawasaki dealers when I ride across the country...  8)  I like KiPass...  7)  I don't have CAN-Bus...  6)  ONE Universal directional button...  5)  It doesn't say Bring My Wallet on the side...   4)  I can wave at other brand riders and not break a "rule"...  3)  Can you say "slipper clutch"?  2)  My tires don't last long cause I'm smoking Beemers...    And the number one reason is.....    1)  I don't have to carry a fire extinguisher to put out my final drive    ;)  

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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2009, 05:09:00 pm »
You state that you like simplicity! If so why did you purcahse a BMW rather than a Honda fifty.  They are showing up on the market and if I remember correctly they get pretty good gas milage.    Jus My two cents worth...  

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« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2009, 09:37:00 pm »
Well I got a chance to ride a F650 at Biketoberfest.  Handling is very good, a fairly comfortable mount, BUT . . . . it is geared quite high.  I was doing 50 mph in 3rd gear and wasn't even into the mid rpms.  No wonder it gets 60+ mpg.  Only good thing with that, it is chain drive.  But assuming what little I know of bikes made weird, I will bet that the chain sprockets are not OFF THE SHELF parts, thus they will either not be available and/or you need to have some very deep pockets to buy some.      Another item of note, with the last set of specs that came out it is now right up there with the KLR weight, I think 10 lbs heavier, I'd have to re-check the last posting of specs.  However, if a person could only have one bike, it would be a good choice.  The thought of a 2 cylinder for a dual sport is an item I continue to follow.  While the DR650 will do what I need and then a bit, it is a bit more vibration than I'd want to contend with for an entire day.  The Aprilla, it is nothing but a race machine.  I can scare myself with a KTM.  Hell, a 250 cc knocked me out once, guess I need a 125.     :-)  tcars,  John,  COG 4157, AMA & ROK     Central Jawja AAD  
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