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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2012, 01:13:53 pm »
I never opened the battery compartment yet..... how easy or how hard is to add a pigtail?
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2012, 02:41:00 pm »
Hi Bruce.

Keep in mind this advice is based on the few years I worked as a part time mechanic at a motorcycle shop and that was quite a few years ago. 

At that time the direction received from the manufacturers was it is best to not start it during its hibernation unless it is going to get ridden.  The reasoning is unless you can bring the bike up to full operating temperatures (highway speeds for 8-10 miles) you cannot burn off the moisture brought into the engine and exhaust systems.  That moisture can be damaging to the inside of the engine and exhaust.  Part of our winterization process (in addition to the fuel treatment, pulling batteries, draining carb bowls, getting tires off pavement, etc) was to pull the plugs and spray a small amount of fogging oil in each cylinder.  Then let it sleep until the customer wanted it in the the spring.  These days....I do not perform the fogging step on my own machines but I still follow the rest.   

So from my perspective....unless you can actually take the bike out for a ride and get it up to full operating temps....it is better to let it sleep.

+1 - I was told by a mechanic back in the early 90s that unless a motorcycle is ridden long enough to come up to full operating temperature, it is better to not start at all. As Soda said, condensation will form and does not have time to "burn" off unless it is ridden for some distance.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2012, 07:59:13 pm »
Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice.  I have heard mixed reviews over the years...start it once in awhile, or do not touch. Having just acquired a new C14 in July, I want to make sure I'm doing things the correct way.  I'm still riding it a few days a week, but here in Oregon, it's not too far away, that I'll be putting it to sleep.  Skiing is right around the corner!
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2012, 01:29:04 am »
Installed a pigtail earlier. Getting her ready for winter storage.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 07:14:42 pm »
I Like SeaFoam, I also plug my battery tender into my heated jacket connector in front of the seat. I also use center stand and 2x4 under front wheel. But I ride mine on and off all winter.
I run a 1/2 can seafoam every 4 tanks or so because of the ethanol.
cold ok.  rain not so much
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Re: Winter storage and Battery Tenders
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2012, 02:37:43 am »
On my previous bike, a BMW, I could just plug the battery tender (with the correct adaptor) into one of the  accessory outlets and keep the battery on the tender that way. The C14 has an accessory outlet on the dash - anyone know if I can plug the tender into that?
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Re: Winter storage and Battery Tenders
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2012, 02:05:36 pm »
On my previous bike, a BMW, I could just plug the battery tender (with the correct adaptor) into one of the  accessory outlets and keep the battery on the tender that way. The C14 has an accessory outlet on the dash - anyone know if I can plug the tender into that?

I do not think so - I may have the numbers a bit wrong, but the dash cigarette plug is 5 amps (?) and the tender needs more. I installed a powerlet plug on the right,  flat panel and it came with a 15 amp fuse which is enough to run the tender, and probably any accessory you choose.
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Re: Winter storage and Battery Tenders
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2012, 02:19:18 pm »
On my previous bike, a BMW, I could just plug the battery tender (with the correct adaptor) into one of the  accessory outlets and keep the battery on the tender that way. The C14 has an accessory outlet on the dash - anyone know if I can plug the tender into that?

You can't because on the C14 the OEM accessory outlet is only live/connected when the ignition switch is on.
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Re: Winter storage and Battery Tenders
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2012, 02:19:49 pm »
On my previous bike, a BMW, I could just plug the battery tender (with the correct adaptor) into one of the  accessory outlets and keep the battery on the tender that way. The C14 has an accessory outlet on the dash - anyone know if I can plug the tender into that?

It is switched (i.e. disconnected from power when the C14 is turned off), so it wouldn't work for a tender.

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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2012, 03:48:57 pm »
I hate meesus to pieces! 

I've gone nuclear since I got back home.  Mechanical traps, glue traps and poison bait.  We're talking Linebacker III - kill all mice dead in a gross and vulgar manner.  They've destroyed and old classic car of mine and have attacked multiple bikes in my garage.  DEATH BE TO RODENTS!
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2012, 04:07:10 pm »
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2012, 05:53:39 pm »
Here's a couple links for non-ethanol gas stations:

http://pure-gas.org/

http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html


That pure-gas.org I have found to be pretty accurate.
In the milwaukee area, I have to drive 25 miles or so to get non ethanol gas.
Did that last Saturday during a 125 mile jaunt that will probably be my last ride of the season.
Time for the Seafoam & battery tender.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2012, 07:00:02 pm »
Thanks for the responses. Soon time then to take the covers off and attach the battery tender leads.....
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2012, 03:35:03 pm »
Having lived the first 30 years of my life in North Dakota, I sure feel for you folks who have to let 'er sleep for the winter.  My ride to work this morning in Texas was about 60 degrees.  We seldom get below 20, and with Gerbings, that's just fine.

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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2012, 07:12:00 pm »
Thanks for the photo and please excuse my ignorance but it is possible to just connect the positive lead from the battery tender's pigtail  to the positive terminal of the battery and then the negative lead from the tender's pigtail to ground? That appears to be what you did here. Should I then disconnect the ground wire from the battery when the tender is plugged in? As you can tell, my knowledge of electricity is limited - I know it lurks in the walls of my house but that's about all.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2012, 03:23:58 am »
You are supposed to put these up for the winter?!?! I ride unless it's snowing.

I installed a battery tender plug. I don't know where people normally put it, but I brought mine up the right side and tuck it between the tank and the faring in the groove. I also got the other side of the pigtail and wired it to a power outlet and level in in my tank bag. That way I can charge my phone or gps, even if the bike isn't running.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2012, 03:09:09 pm »
Thanks for the photo and please excuse my ignorance but it is possible to just connect the positive lead from the battery tender's pigtail  to the positive terminal of the battery and then the negative lead from the tender's pigtail to ground? That appears to be what you did here. Should I then disconnect the ground wire from the battery when the tender is plugged in? As you can tell, my knowledge of electricity is limited - I know it lurks in the walls of my house but that's about all.

You can wire the negative to either the battry post or to the frame. Both work. If you then disconnect the battry when you have the tender plugged in, the juice will not be able to get the the battery.

In short: Positive to battery positive post, negative to battery or frame ground, plug in to charge. Done.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2012, 04:48:03 pm »
Thanks. Very useful.  Also I thought I didn't have a mouse problem - hadn't seen one in the garage for 15 years. Put out some traps and poison out just to be on the safe side and when I checked my trap line had two of the little buggers.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2012, 09:56:20 pm »
Techron is a fuel cleaner additive, not a stabilizer. When you add Techron to the tank, you should ride it till it is empty to clean out the fuel injectors and valves, and then change the oil afterwards, because Techron tends to thin out the oil.

When you park the bike for the winter, you should put Stabil in the gas tank.
After reviewing this link, it seems that some guys fill the tank, park the bike and then add Stabil... while others add Stabil to empty tank, then ride to get tank filled, and then park the bike.  My question is whether it is ok to add Stabil to full tank after parking the bike for the winter.  Appreciate your response. :-[
 
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2012, 10:04:16 pm »
Techron is a fuel cleaner additive, not a stabilizer. When you add Techron to the tank, you should ride it till it is empty to clean out the fuel injectors and valves, and then change the oil afterwards, because Techron tends to thin out the oil.

When you park the bike for the winter, you should put Stabil in the gas tank.
After reviewing this link, it seems that some guys fill the tank, park the bike and then add Stabil... while others add Stabil to empty tank, then ride to get tank filled, and then park the bike.  My question is whether it is ok to add Stabil to full tank after parking the bike for the winter.  Appreciate your response. :-[

Not speaking for anyone else, but I think the reason is to get the fuel + stabilizer into the fuel system, not just the tank. After you add it, maybe pull it out and start it and let it run for a while to get the stabilizer into the fuel delivery system. Stabilizer will (or should) ensure you have fresh fuel when you bring it out of hibernation. Filling the tank (should) prevent moisture build up in the tank. Personally mine won't get parked long enough to need fuel stabilizer.
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Re: Winter storage
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2012, 02:02:01 am »
You are exactly correct FI....there is a need to not only treat the fuel in the tank but get that treated fuel through the lines and injectors before shutting it down for the season.  Also agree....the full tank means less air space which means less chance of condensation and moisture inside the tank when there is changes in the temperature.  For those of us in the northland who cannot ride for a few months at a time...those are critical for a successfull awakening in the spring. :-)
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