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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2014, 01:31:50 am »
Started the truck and there was a very loud bang.
They felt it must have had a defect that didn't properly vent the hydrogen.


Unless your alternator was putting out something like 20VDC how did it create that much hydrogen that fast?
Sounds more like an internal connection let loose under the starter's load.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2014, 02:16:55 am »
Fred, I don't think that's going to work very well if your battery is really down.  Maybe if its near the edge.   But who knows its anti-gravity-lol

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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2014, 02:27:19 am »
That "AG" battery looks pretty impressive if there is no "slight of hand" going on.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2014, 03:40:07 am »
Fred, I don't think that's going to work very well if your battery is really down.  Maybe if its near the edge.   But who knows its anti-gravity-lol


It puts out 150 amps with a 300 amp peak. Should be more than enough to start the C14. The CCA on the Yuasa YTX14H-BS is only 240 amps.

http://themicrostart.com/products/micro-starts/

You could also go up one level to the XP1 Anti-gravity battery which puts out 200 amp with a 400 amp peak current, but I suspect the smaller XP5 would work fine on the Concours, and take up less space in your saddlebag.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2014, 12:30:59 pm »
I ran across a BMW guy last week who was broken down along the road. He carried the XP-3 version of this jumper pack. He explained he had intermittent charging issues on the bike and the jumper pack saved him numerous times. I've done a bunch of research and apparently there are a lot of tow truck drivers using them to start passenger cars, and, internet stories/videos of starting big diesels, starting V8's with no battery in the vehicle, etc-. (don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see, my pop always said)  ;D Compact, has a light, charges phones and other electronics, very long charge life, can jump other bikes ( i always stop) Santa is definitely ordering one from amazon, so one of the kids can give it to me for xmas. It wont take long for me to find a test for it and report back.

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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2014, 12:34:45 am »
Well,
I managed to leave my key on and the battery ran down quite a ways. I rolled the bike to the top of a rise and tried to bump start it rolling down the slight grade with a push from a helper. The bike would NOT fire. The battery was not stone dead and the lights were on, on the dash etc... I really thought it would work but no go. Maybe a bigger hill? I guess I am getting one of these pack as well. I found a HUGE variation in pricing though. Ebay was the best yet. Beat amazon by quite a bit.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2014, 02:07:26 am »
I've been considering this kind of setup for my long distance trips:

http://www.amazon.com/Lil-Lightning-Inc-Lithium-Start/dp/B00M88F2QY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413135828&sr=8-1&keywords=Rescue+Pak

Problem is I really just don't know if it will work or not. No reviews. Similar setups are Mixed Reviews.

Close to home just call a tow truck...LOL...


I use one of their Ultra Slim units...works great...used it to start a Honda Shadow one day while on a local Concours ride...have also started a V6 Accord...and several ATVs...and, it will charge other electronic devices, as well...


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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2014, 02:18:50 pm »
These look really promising - I'm eager to see some real, unbiased testing to show their durability.

Surely their either Lithium-Ion or Lithium-Polymer batteries - the only tech I know of that can store that much power in such a small unit. Both technologies have some not-insignificant limitations/risks with high-discharge rates - they can heat up pretty fast, making them more likely to have stability issues.  Hopefully they've mitigated these risks as much as practical for such a unit, and have accepted the likely failure rate given the intended use.

Heck, I may buy one just for the USB charging feature alone!



Just did some measurements - seems this unit is about the size of two of my Galaxy S4's stacked on top of each other. Excellent size.

Does anyone have amp-hour specs for this unit? I've been looking around on-line and no one seems interested in it - just peak amps (understandable, given the intended usage). Knowing amp-hours is useful if using for a USB charger.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2014, 05:34:05 pm »
Does anyone have amp-hour specs for this unit? I've been looking around on-line and no one seems interested in it - just peak amps (understandable, given the intended usage). Knowing amp-hours is useful if using for a USB charger.


The amp hour ratings are listed here;

http://themicrostart.com/products/micro-starts/

The small one in the photo I posted is 6 amp/hours (or 6000 ma/h)  The larger XP1 is 12 amp/hours.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2014, 06:24:20 pm »
Here is what I use...Lil Lightning Ultra Slim...

• 12 Volt, 6500 mA-h lithium battery

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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2014, 11:29:21 pm »
I've got the XP1. Jumped my 6.0 diesel cold, my KLR 4 times in a row and my Polaris RZR 3 times in a row. Charged my cell phone and Ipad for 3 days on a single charge. Bought it to charge my electronics when camping in BFE. Also has a built in flashlight and strobe. Pretty slick little kit. Leads when jumping under a big load get REALLY WARM but have not had a problem. Going to rig up a cable to adapt to my battery tender leads for case. It works.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2014, 05:46:27 pm »
cheaper at AMZ.

Its on my wish list now.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FDYYK4A/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=29PVRE1VWEWLV&coliid=I2J2X8PZNE1LF0

I just bought the Anker 15,000mah portable battery charge for phones and other devices. Not setup for jumping though even with its huge milli amp rating.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2014, 06:09:49 pm »
I have a SAE battery tender pigtail I use for my battery tender coming off the bike. I also carry a 12' SAE extension cord and small battery alligator clamps in my Motopump tire pump. All I would have to do is find a person to let me jump my bike using those items. Just connect the pigtail to extension cord and to a good battery and I would be GTG.

 I have only jumped one Honda Blackbird this year and no cars. I can tell when a car batt gets weak and always replace them before the inevitable. Guess I have been lucky.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2014, 06:34:20 pm »
If I made a pigtail or whip to connect the AG batteries to the battery tender connection on my motorcycle,  would this work sufficiently?
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2014, 06:55:17 pm »
If I made a pigtail or whip to connect the AG batteries to the battery tender connection on my motorcycle,  would this work sufficiently?

that's what I plan to do. My pigtail has a 30 amp fuse already and that's the same as the main bike circuit. Just connect the AG to the pigtail, give it a wee bit of time and start the bike.

My current setup is with a pigtail extension and some small battery clips from my Motopump unit. Only difference is we would use the AG batt instead of finding a car or bike battery to jump off of.

Bike batteries BTW are usually buried under the seat, in the body work and if traveling all sorts of luggage can or must be taken off to access the dead battery. C14 is easy to get to, but takes some time to get the cover and brackets off to pull it out enough to jump. Then there is the potential for accidentally touching the positive clip to the body work and blowing the main fuse. Now that would suck big time!
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2014, 07:04:42 pm »
Or, you could use the Motopump SAE alligator clips and use the AG clips keeping them from touching and jump it that way. Here are the Motopump components I carry.

Forgot to mention, the motopump has the SAE connector already, I just have to plug it into the pigtail and pump away.

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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2014, 10:51:48 pm »
cheaper at AMZ.

Its on my wish list now.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FDYYK4A/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=29PVRE1VWEWLV&coliid=I2J2X8PZNE1LF0

I just bought the Anker 15,000mah portable battery charge for phones and other devices. Not setup for jumping though even with its huge milli amp rating.


thanks for that link, I'll definatly be picking one up when I have some cash...
and it will live fully charged, and passivly sitting in my bike trunk... just in case... sweet.
I have numerous Lipo aux charging batts that kept me going on laptops and cellphones during hurricanes in Va. a couple years ago, this takes it 10x further, and is basically the same price I paid wayyy back, in a small package, and nice kit.
sweet.

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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2014, 11:28:56 pm »
But, also, the simple answer is to not use your 'kill switch' except in a road emergency.
This will likely raise many complaints here, and I won't engage further in dialogue on it.
No argument here at all - this is the only fail safe way to not leave your lights on....using the kill switch is a hard practice to break though
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #70 on: November 26, 2014, 01:38:28 am »
Been riding since 1969, I have never used the kill switch to stop the engine.

I go to the Kawasaki demo days. Want to test ride the C14 and KLR. And the new ZX14R. I ride the C14, my dream bike since 2008. Oh so smooth and perfect for me.

I get on the KLR and cannot get it to start, What the heck? Why won't it start??? Prior rider killed the bike using the kill switch. Kawasaki demo instructor comes over and flips the switch. I am like really, who uses the kill switch during normal riding? I used it once when I fell over on the KLR, it keeps running. No tip over protection sensor.
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Re: Your out in the middle of no where and your battery dies... What do you do?
« Reply #71 on: November 26, 2014, 01:40:46 am »
Been riding since 1969, I have never used the kill switch to stop the engine.

I go to the Kawasaki demo days. Want to test ride the C14 and KLR. And the new ZX14R. I ride the C14, my dream bike since 2008. Oh so smooth and perfect for me.

I get on the KLR and cannot get it to start, What the heck? Why won't it start??? Prior rider killed the bike using the kill switch. Kawasaki demo instructor comes over and flips the switch. I am like really, who uses the kill switch during normal riding? I used it once when I fell over on the KLR, it keeps running. No tip over protection sensor
PS: I fell over on MY KLR not the demo ride one!  :beerchug:
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But, also, the simple answer is to not use your 'kill switch' except in a road emergency.
This will likely raise many complaints here, and I won't engage further in dialogue on it.

I totally agree, the only time I use the kill switch routinely is to remind me I have a disc lock fitted when parking the bike.

I am trying to FORCE myself to do this as well but old habit die hard....sorta like the battery when you dont use this method!  I may tape down the kill switch
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