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CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« on: August 16, 2019, 05:15:12 am »
Im onlt 5'7 and Im wondering which bike is easier to handle at lower speeds.  My rides are mostly short back and forth to work,  One of COGers is selling both an st1100 and a concours 1000. Both are my price point. the st is 10 years older and 77k miles as opposed too 44k on the 1000.  Im leaning towards the Concours as it has really been a dream bike for years, but the st1100 is an aweful slick looking machine as well.  Any advice for which to get?

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2019, 08:18:26 am »
I was in the same boat when I went looking years ago, C10 or St 1100? I test rode both bikes and I liked both a lot. I ended up buying the C10 for really one reason, the excitement the C10 brought from romping the throttle was exhilarating, the roar of the motor was something I loved. The C10 is a reliable and fun machine that will bring years of good motorcycling if taken care of. The St 1100 was almost like driving a car, it had smooth linear power that didn't really make you think you were accelerating very quickly until you looked down at your speedometer. The St 1100 is sneaky fast, it didn't really have that roar of the engine that I liked at the time but man it would move. I believe the St is a little bit faster than the C10. Both bikes are good bikes but I've only owned the C10 (two of them). Good luck with whatever you decide, if I was in the same boat today trying to decide which one, this one would be in my garage

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2019, 08:55:51 am »
I don't think the ST is  faster than the concours, and the specs show it .5 seconds slower in 0-60 as well, and max HP is 100, compared to 110 before final drive of the concours.  Smoother yes,, I'm a Honda man at heart, but here https://bikeswiki.com/Honda_ST1100_Pan-European#Specifications it clearly states that the concours is faster right from the gate, and I know I have been over 130 on my Crysis  :-X, it was terrifying, every time I did it. Faring shakes all over , feels like its going to rip off and hit me in the face. One thing I know about Honda's though, they are very smooth, compared to my concours, but NOT faster, no way.
https://bikeswiki.com/Honda_ST1100_Pan-European#Specifications  compared with Kawasaki GZ 100 https://motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/kawasaki/kawasaki_gtr1000%2094.htm  Conny is built for acceleration for her time, and still gives the new 600 fuel injected sport bikes a run for their money up to about 100 mph,, then the full faring drag becomes too much at around 4th gear from what I have experienced recently on my 93 conny.  Crysis seems to hit 135 in 5th gear, and she's a 6 speed.  The gear ratio, I suspect makes up for toque in reality. And stripped, I bet a stock Conny can hit 150 in 6th gear if it did not have the huge faring drag.  But I have never stripped her, I like bug defense.
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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2019, 01:20:28 pm »
The Honda has a lower seat height: http://cycle-ergo.com

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2019, 02:06:16 pm »
for low speed maneuverability and stop and go traffic the st is a better choice IMHO.  Better manners i feel than the c10 in those environments.

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2019, 02:25:47 pm »
ST = more low end torque, more low end weight, better fit and finish.

Connie = more high end zip, more high up weight, easier to work on for DIYer.

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2019, 11:02:08 pm »
trying to get a bike this weekend from a fellow Cog'er. don't want to jinx it by saying anything more.  hope i'm riding it home from northern to southern Cali this Sunday morning.

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2019, 01:35:14 am »
I bid and won this bike today, https://www.ebay.com/itm/273921516763
Anyone near redwood city want to show me how not too hydrolock on first pump of the starter? So after about five years on cog I now have better reason to call it home.

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2019, 02:17:03 am »
Congratulations!! After you drive it home from Redwood City you may want to join us for a Meet and Greet in Springerville, Arizona! The Devil's Cut is on the Calendar for September 20-22. Riding the Devil's highway! Of course we can also do some local riding right here in SoCal when you come back from Redwood City too! Safe Travels!

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2019, 10:04:34 am »
I bid and won this bike today, https://www.ebay.com/itm/273921516763
Anyone near redwood city want to show me how not too hydrolock on first pump of the starter? So after about five years on cog I now have better reason to call it home.
That's the bike that's sitting in someone's brother's garage and needed to go.  I'd talk to the brother and see if he's been riding it at all or even started it from time to time.  Would be good to hear that it had some fuel stabilizer or a good dose of two stroke oil before it was parked.  It looks like a nice bike.  I posted a response to your question of things to do in the other thread you started.  Good luck!
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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2019, 06:40:02 pm »
I have ridden and owned both and these are my unscientific observations .....

1) the ST1100 is WAY smoother
2) the ST1100 is faster but you don’t really notice it when riding
3) maintenance is way more of a PIA on the ST1100
4) on stock bikes I say the ST1100 is more comfortable for me (6’2” and about 280)
5) the Concours FEELS like it’s more aggressive in its power delivery and it has a way better sound
6) Concours aftermarket support is fantastic (hello Murph)
7) with aftermarket doodads (raised bars, pegs loweres and possibly a replacement windshield) I find them to be equal in comfort

Granted, I have had only one ST1100 (‘95 or ‘96 I don’t recall and it was totaled less than a year after getting it .... soccer mom on her phone) and I have had 3 Concours (‘86, ‘96 and the current ‘04). I keep picking the Concours because I like it’s personality better. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2019, 04:44:04 am »
I think that the ST1100 leans more the toward touring side and the C-10 leans more toward the sport side of sport touring. I prefer the sportier side of sport touring and the C-10 thinks it's a Ninja. :great:
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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2019, 02:50:12 am »
Concourse won my inner personal debate.  One Cog'er had both on ebay for auction.  st1100 had 77k mile and was a 91. concourse was a 02 with 42k miles.  I went with the newer lower milieage bike.  Don't think i will ever regret it.  It just looks like is supposed to be in my garage.  Now what do i do with my '12 vstar 950?    would need to pay it off to sell it. but pretty sure I can make a few hundred or break even.  My first thought is to keep it so i can Farkleize the Connie.

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2019, 03:28:23 am »
can anyone tell if i have bar riser, knee svaers or a 7th gear mod from these pics?

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2019, 09:43:46 am »
Yes on the risers. No on the kneesavers (unless you have stubby legs, get some. You'll love them). No way to tell about the 7th gear mod from a pic. It's a re-geared bevel drive assembly.

And congratulations! You'll love it. These are wonderful bikes!

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2019, 11:31:32 am »
can anyone tell if i have bar riser, knee svaers or a 7th gear mod from these pics?
Maybe start by contacting SISF.  He can probably give you some RPM values that will answer if bike has a unit.  HTH

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2019, 12:16:22 pm »
Check this thread on the 7th gear mod:

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-c10-zg1000-general-chat-and-tech/7th-gear-speedrpm/msg248950/#msg248950

Basically, if you are turning 3500 rpm at 65mph in 6th gear, instead of 4000 rpm, you most likely have a 7th gear mod.
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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2019, 01:25:14 pm »
I love having bar risers.

I'm short(er) so no need for peg lowerers ... and they may drag in corners.

7th gear mod is to make rpms lower in all gears.  Wait on that.

I would wait on any additional mods until you ride it a few (1000) miles. 

Keep the cruiser for going slow.         :)

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 05:19:22 am »
Congrats on your purchase, I think you'll enjoy it.. I've got a little seat time on an st. Although haven't owned one. In my area they are about double the price of a similar condition Concours.

The St is a fine machine. Very smooth. Quick.

Nothing wrong with either bike imo

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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2019, 02:47:13 pm »
I tested both and I preferred the ride on the ST but it was $200 more and in way worse condition so I bought the Concours and have not regretted the decision.

What I did find is that putting on the handlebar risers made all the difference and the Concours handled way better (for me - I'm 5'10). When I think of it, the ST had risers as well.

So what I am trying to say I guess is that the Concours is a great bike but with any bike, making adjustments with risers or moving the bars back or lowering / raising foot pegs will make it handle much better. Buy the better bike and be prepared to drop a hundred or two hundred dollars to make the small adjustments to make it fit you. Or a several hundred more for a new lower saddle which I am told is worth it.


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Re: CONCOURS 1000 OR ST 1100?
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2019, 10:19:08 am »
I was in the same boat when I went looking years ago, C10 or St 1100? I test rode both bikes and I liked both a lot...

Yep, close to same situation… I looked at both of them long and hard back when both were being made… an acquaintance loved his ST, but the C10 Connie just looked right to me – still does.  I ended up with a Nomad and eventually an Ultra as well, but after they went away, I started looking for a Connie once again – I don’t regret the Nad or Ultra, both great bikes in their own right and I rode `em 180K+/-, but twenty years later I’m enjoying the hack out of my new-to-me `99 C10 (especially all that gas – oomph, 250 miles without stopping and not even on reserve yet…)
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