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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2008, 11:11:00 am »
My end kicker for the car on commute is the traffic I have to deal with.  Takes all the fun out.  No fun, no cost advantage I will end up in the car.  If it gets to the point where the bike is cheaper by a long shot I am 8 miles from work and may just switch to bicycle on good days.  ----------------------------------  I will answer any question.  It is up to you to figure out if I should have.    <p align="left">My Photos<br
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2008, 12:22:00 pm »
Cool - Rev Rider is checking in here!!    smithr... It sounds like your freeways in Austin don't have car-pool lanes that allow m/c to use them.    That's the whole reason that I kinda got back into m/c's after 20 years of being out of it. Up here in the greater Seattle/Puget Sound area... most all our freeways, now have these lanes, which m/c's can use. I just love going by on the bike, at regular freeway speeds (with the car-poolers), while the rest of the cages are barely moving.     If I couldn't do that... and it was hot out, I'd certainly pay the cost to sit in an a/c car.      
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2008, 03:41:00 pm »
They are talking about those lanes for out major hwys but has not been done yet.  I do not see it coming to the roads I take to work for years if ever though.  ----------------------------------  I will answer any question.  It is up to you to figure out if I should have.    <p align="left">My Photos<br
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2008, 04:02:00 pm »
Greg,  our car pool lanes are not gong to work so well when they start selling permits to guys driving Hummers without passengers.  I drive 40+ miles each way on mostly 55mph roads.  Even with tires, (I wouldn't consider buying a tire that I will have to replace everytime I do a oil change, but then I don't push myself very hard in the twistys), I can not justify driving my Ranger unless I'm planning on hauling something too big for the bike.  Even riding in the rain is more fun than riding in the cage.        1990 Aint she a pretty Tomato
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2008, 06:10:00 pm »
Greg,  our car pool lanes are not gong to work so well when they start selling permits to guys driving Hummers without passengers.    Yeah "Sawfiler" I haven't heard of that happening, and I hope it doesn't.  The Wa. state DOT is experimenting with it, I guess, just south of me, from Renton to Puyallup. You can buy a pass that charges you whenever you drive in those lanes. It doesn't seem real popular yet, as I drive that road sometime, and don't see a major change yet.  Time will tell, I guess.    Hey, just curious... What other parts of the country have car-pool lanes that m/c's can use????    Or is this a novelty in our area?    
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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2008, 07:54:00 am »
You can use them here in VA.  I think our own leader Guy Young was a part of that push.  Roger  COG 5903  Virginia Beach, VA
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 12:39:00 pm »
There are car-pool/motorcycle lanes in SOME Texas metro areas.  DFW has a lot of them.  Autin just has a terrible transit system.  It becomes a parking lot several times per day.    
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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2008, 12:18:00 am »
Greg,    As far as I know all states that have HOV lanes allow motorcycles to ride legally in them 24/7. There was a recent stink in New York about it and the case went all the way to the NY State Supreme Court where the plaintif won the case.  AKA "2linby" That's 2-lin-by folks!  Northwest Area Director  COG #5539  AMA #927779  IBA #15034  Team Oregon MC Instructor    http://community.webshots.com/user/2linby  http://tinyurl.com/njas8 (IBA BunBurner Gold Trip)  http://tinyurl.com/lwelx (Alaska trip)      
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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2008, 12:10:00 pm »
Great - that's interesting news!!    And like others have said... sometimes the traffic is SO bad, that even the HOV lane is a parking lot like the mainline.     But at least for me, for when and where I'm going, the HOV/car-pool lane is much, much better, 90% of the time.  
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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2008, 05:44:00 pm »
I like the HOV lane so much, I would rather ride in the rain on the Connie, than sit in traffic in a car. For the average day that adds 30min to 45min of time into MY day that commuting would take. In the evening its probably not as good a savings as the time I leave traffic is not so bad anyways. The morning can be really hit and miss. Some times 405 south can be backed from I-5 to Redmond. Generally when the HOV lane becomes an HIV lane, its only around Totem Lake and so its only a few miles of it versus almost twenty miles of it. On these days just the morning commute can be an hour difference.  
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2008, 12:38:00 am »
plus one "slybones"    BTW, what's the "HIV lane"?    I'm sure this'll be funny and clever :)    But my brain's just too hot right now to figure it out.  Probably from the heat wave "Seattle style" that we're having right now.   91* today out there... inside my house it's almost 90, it's 9:30 pm and all my windows are open but there's no breeze to cool the house off. Three fans going, but they're just pushing hot air around.    Yeah, so my brains too hot to know what an "HIV lane" is :)  
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2008, 12:41:00 am »
When I lived in the sh*t (Seattle area) I used the HOV lane every day. Sure it saved me time, but 167 HOV lanes stopped at 15th ave nw and sometimes it took me 40 minutes from there to Bonney Lake!  Crappy planning thirty years ago is the reason these urban area can not handle the load. I am sooo freaking happy to be out of that reality. Don't think I'll try it again. Just to much metal and emotion cost. Regardless of the pay available. Somethings just can not have a price put on them.  AKA "2linby" That's 2-lin-by folks!  Northwest Area Director  COG #5539  AMA #927779  IBA #15034  Team Oregon MC Instructor    http://community.webshots.com/user/2linby  http://tinyurl.com/njas8 (IBA BunBurner Gold Trip)  http://tinyurl.com/lwelx (Alaska trip)      
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2008, 02:56:00 pm »
Motorcycles are allowed in HOV lanes everywhere in the US by Federal law, thanks to the AMA. :)   AMA# 1019197  COG# 8229  CDA# 0267
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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2008, 10:52:00 am »
Ya know... I forgot the biggest difference in car vs motorcycle transportation expense... and that s pleasure riding.    In the days before owning a bike, I never got in my car and went out to ride twisties or to just drive 200 miles for lunch (much less 1700 mile for a Moonshine Burger).  No, I just drove my car to work and school and the bowling alley and the bank.  But with the bike, I enjoy it too much to NOT ride it.  So even if I have a car (which nearly all of us do) and even if I ride the bike in place of the car and do all the things on it I used to do in the car, I will still ride the bike for pleasure... which means ADDITIONAL costs of operation that fit into the equation.    No bike equals no pleasure rides, no nationals, no moon butrgers, no RTE's, no flower sniffin' rides, no mountain blastin', etc.  So, I deduce, that the bike cost way more and beyond the cost of car operation.  AND if that was the only consideration, it would be a disasterous thing for EVERYONE to get a bike, don't you think? We would use more fuel overall, more energy in many ways, and producing more pollutants than the current crop of SUVs that clog the roads.  A motorcycle used the way WE use them cannot be justified on the basis of cost of operation.  JMHO YMMV (but I know what it costs) :) :)    Now I do think it would help a lot with city congestion, but the twisties would be a fender to fender parling lot.  ;p  
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2008, 03:00:00 pm »
 Ditto on the Vulcan as I owned a 'tarriff' 700cc '85 model. Great mpg and great torque for the displacement. Alas, I found the cruiser accomodation not to my liking.    The other low maintenance bike and one I spent very few $ on farkles was the '83 GL650 Silverwing Interstate. Easy valve access and screw/locknut adjust. Easy 50 mpg. Needed a 6th gear for touring tho. The Milwaukee crowd would often take a sly look at that sideways V twin ala Moto Guzzi.   Just sold daughters '85 XL250R. Man did I get numerous ph calls and emails on that one. Same with her '88 T Bird. Also my 'ole' '00 KLR 650 (have a '08 now) All sold first day. Craigslist.   'Course these bikes are a bit long in the tooth like the owner.  

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« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2008, 03:04:00 pm »
The Blasts have pretty poor resale value, from what I've seen, so could be OK as a used buy.  Anecdotal evidence that they are not the most reliable ride out there, so what you save on valve adjusts you could be spending in other areas.    I have a Ninja 250 and do a lot of freeway commuting on it.  If you are running decent speeds (80 mph indicated / 73 mph true), mileage drops down to 55 or so on my bike.  Admittedly, I suspect it needs some carb work, but I wouldn't expect much more out of it at those speeds.    Most of the folks getting 65 mpg and up are running well under 65 mph.  

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« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2008, 03:09:00 pm »
Rev Rider,     'Tire costs are a main cost...' or something like that..     Like I wuz sayin gat the nat'l ' that Turbo ZG and that ZRX ZG NEEDS a car tire!   Nope, I ain't gona stop this opinion. And that is just what it is. One man, one bike, one tire. Sounds like a good byline IMO. Hee hee.   I rode with the local RAT group last Sat and the tire put the bike another step up on cornering, braking, acell compared the those "old' MC tire technology.  
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« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2008, 03:09:00 pm »
A local Cogger (Jax, FL) hurt his knee and wanted to sell his Conk and get something smaller, once he's healed up. I was thinking of buying his bike but decided to hold off. It is a '92 with 58k miles in pretty good shape with some extras. I suggested Craigslist and figured he would sell it in a week.     He emailed me Monday.. he placed the ad Monday morning with a few pics, had a call in 30 minutes and the guy came, rode it 5 minutes and then peeled off 25 $100 bills. Good bike, fair price, and sold in the morning.     I'm seeing some bikes that don't sell well, like Suzuki Intruders. I see them for 2k below book and am going to check out a used 2004 tonight, a 1500. Any thoughts on this model?  
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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2008, 03:20:00 pm »
  Thinking about it. I must add that the Concours(S) has to be the most economical bike I have owned.   After two, and a combined 227k mi'  $10,700 purchase costs, the few upgrades that transferred from one to the other like a GPS that can be used on the KLR and car/truck....   Sure I do all my own maintenance. With the support of COG members and wrench sessions  anyone should be able to also.   Call me 'a frugal Connie Rider'.  

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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2008, 04:35:00 pm »
Dan,  Don't think that I am not considering it... I am just afraid.  :8o:    Well, if it was a simple buy the tire and stick it on thing, that's one deal.  But I have other things to spend money on that turn my crank when this tire thing really doesn't.  If I didn't need to buy the whole wheel, machine it, etc. (not that I am not capable, just trouble and expense that is low on my list of stuff to try) then I would probably give it a shot just for grins.  I just really struggle with the ability of those flimsy sidewalls to deal with MY riding style. I'm very alergic to falling down and have always been a proponent of riding on the very best tires available to me, hang the cost.    That car tire might work great, may be the best thing I will have ever tried... but it's very very hard to believe that they will be.  I definitely hear you talking, and I am being influenced... I'm just not there YET.     For now I am WILLING to spend the money to ride the way I like.  Sure, I wish it were not so, but the cost of tires is still very cheap compared to the bike and/or a hospital stay, etc.  As I was saying, if all I did was use the bike for transportaion and I rode it sanely (forgive me mom), then the car tire would make more sense to me.  Of course, I would get much better tire life out of regular MC tires than I do right now too.  But the MAIN cost of bike versus car is simply that we/I ride it for the joy of riding it, hence it is NOT a justifiable argument that the (read that MY) bike is, or even CAN be more cost effective than my 99 Toyota Corolla... maybe even if tires were free.     Now watch me put a stinkin' car tire on the Turbo... oh the shame. ;) ;) ;)  
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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2008, 05:20:00 pm »
>>Dan,   >>Don't think that I am not considering it... I am >>just afraid.         Rev Rider   Yes I surely do understand. I was VERY CAUTIOUS in the first thou miles.'Course was able to see the application on a rig in AU last year that allowed me the see the relatively easy application.   Surviving riding since '62 I must have had some preservation instincts that worked!   The Federal tire has so little side wall flex I don't notice it.   I caution myself not to be a cheerleader for such an non-standard modification ....but hard to contain the enthusiasm. Then my mouth moves.... fingers type...  

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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2008, 11:06:00 am »
Rev,  If your going to add the cost of "recreational" riding to the cost of owning a bike, then you also have to figure in the pleasure you recieve.  What would it cost to golf, bowl, or go to movies for the same time frame as a recreationla ride.  I love my commute on my connie, bored to death on the same road in the cage.      1990 Aint she a pretty Tomato
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« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2008, 02:41:00 am »
Gas is still the cheapest part of driving