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Title: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ConcoursKZ on July 17, 2016, 02:16:59 pm
When you consider you can pick up a great running C10 for around $2000. Has luggage space for two. Easy to work on. Very comfortable for 2 up. Great gas mileage and capacity. Maybe the most dependable motor out there. More than enough speed. Great in rough weather. Will run all day and all night. Ability to go well over 100,000 miles. Aftermarket parts and ability to find good used parts are everywhere. Online support might be second to none. A young couple could cruise the country with confidence at a budget. And I don't think I have ever seen a rider under 40 on one. You would think clubs of C10 younger people would be out there traversing across the country. It might be the perfect camping bike. Probably the best value in used Motorcycles today. Wish we had something like it when I was young.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Harry Martin on July 17, 2016, 03:37:02 pm
My 17 year old son is now riding one of two C10s at my house.
My youngest son has his eye on the second Connie. Dad supervises on a C14.

Is that young enough?  ;D
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: alan on July 17, 2016, 04:02:29 pm
Uh, styling, weight, cool factor....  Grandson has just started riding on a CBR 125, he's taller and way stronger than me (junior weightlifter) throws a leg over the connie and says "Whoa, what does this thing weigh?".  No cool factor - big blocky styling; never see a connie on the MotoGP tv show....although the younger set seem to "get" the 80's UJM's.  She is, like the Valkyrie or other antiques, an acquired taste.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Sparkie on July 17, 2016, 04:36:07 pm
Um, maybe because it doesn't have any computers onboard.  Completely old school.  :great:
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: rick on July 17, 2016, 06:30:10 pm
A relic of the analog age.  No cool graphics.  No one else their age riding one.  Cyclops headlight.  Heavy, heavy, heavy.  No youtube videos of anyone stunt riding them.  Kawasaki does not have a motogp presence.  Young people really don't tour, they commute or sport ride. 

If I was in my 20's, I'd be eyeing a Honda Repsol replica instead (CBR).
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Outback Jon on July 17, 2016, 07:26:08 pm
And I don't think I have ever seen a rider under 40 on one.
A was 31 when I bought my first C10.  Wrecked myself and the bike, recovered, and bought my second one when I was 34.  Sure, now I'm over 40...
Quote from: rick
Young people really don't tour.  They commute or sport ride.
That's probably the biggest reason.  Although the C10 is an excellent commuter bike if you need to bring stuff with you.  I purchase my lunch box/coolers primarily on the basis of if they'll fit in the saddlebags.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Vandelay on July 17, 2016, 08:08:28 pm
I'm 31 and picked mine up in February. Just finished a 2100 mile week long tour on it.
I'd always wanted a touring bike and until I can afford a BMW 1200 I'm absolutely loving this thing. I now know what I need to do to make it a better tourer but man did I have fun.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Dan LT on July 17, 2016, 08:17:55 pm
Circled Lake Michigan on my C-10 this past Friday into Saturday. If I wasn't completely sold on this bike before, I am now !    No better touring motorcycle out there.  As far as young people are concerned, I agree with what's been said, but I'll add to that................young people, for the most part, aren't going to be motorcyclists.  In my travels the vast majority of riders are older.  It's just like the cars. If you see a nice sport or a 60's thru 80's muscle car coming down the road the driver will have grey hair 95% of the time.  The young like video and texting.  You can't text and talk on the phone on a bike very easily and you're out in the weather. No air conditioning !!!!!!!!!!!!       :motonoises:
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ConcoursKZ on July 17, 2016, 08:20:49 pm
I'm 31 and picked mine up in February. Just finished a 2100 mile week long tour on it.
I'd always wanted a touring bike and until I can afford a BMW 1200 I'm absolutely loving this thing. I now know what I need to do to make it a better tourer but man did I have fun.

Why don't people your age and younger tour? The way times are changing exploring this country on two wheels might be limited. I see young people buying old Air Streams and Campers. I hear that tent camping is way up.

Young People need to put the phone down and get on a bike!
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Rev Ryder on July 17, 2016, 08:29:57 pm
Street bikes, especially big mamas like Connie, are pretty hard to drift. 
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: KellyfromVA on July 17, 2016, 10:43:24 pm
Simple two word answer: Not Cool.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Dr. Funkenstein on July 18, 2016, 01:25:03 pm
I got my first C10 when I was 29 and I will always have one.  It is true that the bike doesn't have that "cool factor" for impressing non riders.  An old sport tourer is not a chick magnet or an ego booster.  Almost all riders I talk to respect the C10 for its capability and value.  It is just a good cheap bike that will run forever if you take care of it.  That's about as cool as it gets in my book.  It's also pretty nice to be able to do almost all of your grocery shopping on your bike.  That being said, I never considered a bike with bags until I had no car.  Something like a Connie is probably not on the radar of most young riders unless their situation demands it.
Kevin
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: WillyP on July 18, 2016, 01:37:03 pm
But yet, the cult thing would be that they are cool specifically because they are so un-cool.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: JohnJuan on July 18, 2016, 02:04:35 pm
26 here, I've been putting 10k a year on my Z1000 for the last 3 years. It works for touring, and It was shiny and new when I got it.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ZX6Rob on July 18, 2016, 06:27:11 pm
The millenial crowd (of which I'm a member) are collectively turning toward retro-standards and scramblers these days.  Most younger folks I know and ride with are big on Triumph Bonnevilles, MotoGuzzi 7s, Ducati's Scrambler, and occasionally (for the trust-fund babies) BMW's R nineT and derivatives.  In the used market, most people are still hopped up on the '70s look -- vintage CBs, XJs, and such abound.  There's still a decent smattering of people that like sport bikes, but that crowd is entirely wowed by numbers and latest-and-greatest figures and measurements.  I rode a cherry '84 GPz900R for several years, selling it just about a year ago, and I just though it was about the coolest bike there was.  A shining reminder of one of the most triumphant sport motorcycles ever conceived, and a real game-changer for the market as a whole in its time!  But, the retro enthusiasts thought it was ugly, reminiscent of the worst characteristics of the decade of excess, and the sportbike guys were just convinced that it was slow, since it wouldn't run the quarter as fast as a cross-plane R1.

The Connie's in that same boat.  Where I absolutely adore its slab-sided styling, functional appointments, and stout, reliable nature, most of the younger crowd pass it over.  When you're young and (in all likelihood) single, the qualities you look for in a bike are the visceral ones.  You want the style and the prestige, the look that will draw the eye of your peers, or you want the absolute highest level of wrist-breaking performance (whether you are capable or not of actually exploiting it).  The sensible, somewhat laid-back, useful, heavy, no-nonsense Concours, well...  I can sing her praises all day to folks'd listen, but it doesn't make her more attractive to the folks in my generation.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ConcoursKZ on July 18, 2016, 10:15:02 pm
The millenial crowd (of which I'm a member) are collectively turning toward retro-standards and scramblers these days.  Most younger folks I know and ride with are big on Triumph Bonnevilles, MotoGuzzi 7s, Ducati's Scrambler, and occasionally (for the trust-fund babies) BMW's R nineT and derivatives.  In the used market, most people are still hopped up on the '70s look -- vintage CBs, XJs, and such abound.  There's still a decent smattering of people that like sport bikes, but that crowd is entirely wowed by numbers and latest-and-greatest figures and measurements.  I rode a cherry '84 GPz900R for several years, selling it just about a year ago, and I just though it was about the coolest bike there was.  A shining reminder of one of the most triumphant sport motorcycles ever conceived, and a real game-changer for the market as a whole in its time!  But, the retro enthusiasts thought it was ugly, reminiscent of the worst characteristics of the decade of excess, and the sportbike guys were just convinced that it was slow, since it wouldn't run the quarter as fast as a cross-plane R1.

The Connie's in that same boat.  Where I absolutely adore its slab-sided styling, functional appointments, and stout, reliable nature, most of the younger crowd pass it over.  When you're young and (in all likelihood) single, the qualities you look for in a bike are the visceral ones.  You want the style and the prestige, the look that will draw the eye of your peers, or you want the absolute highest level of wrist-breaking performance (whether you are capable or not of actually exploiting it).  The sensible, somewhat laid-back, useful, heavy, no-nonsense Concours, well...  I can sing her praises all day to folks'd listen, but it doesn't make her more attractive to the folks in my generation.

Do you think they pass on the C10 because they they have no concept of the Sport Touring Class? While the old CBs, GPz900, XS 650, and other Vintage stuff from the early 80's are great bikes and have there place. You just are not going to jump on one and do a cross country trip. To ride a 750 Four across the country in 4 or 5 days you have to be in great riding shape. The elements will tear you up. I know as I did it several times 30 years ago.

I still say if you want to tour the country on a bike a C10 for $1750 cannot be beat. It would not be my only Bike at age 25 to 35. But I think many young riders are missing a phenomenal opportunity to tour the country or take some really great long weekend trips for give away prices. Ever ride a GPz900 loaded up with a backpack full of gear 400 miles on Friday and ride back 400 on Sunday? You are going to be beat Monday morning. You do the same  on a C10 and you will be standing tall at the water cooler telling others about the great trip you had this weekend. I won't even get into two up riding.

By the way that's less than 3 tanks of gas on a C10. And under $40.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ZX6Rob on July 19, 2016, 04:37:39 pm
Do you think they pass on the C10 because they they have no concept of the Sport Touring Class? While the old CBs, GPz900, XS 650, and other Vintage stuff from the early 80's are great bikes and have there place. You just are not going to jump on one and do a cross country trip. To ride a 750 Four across the country in 4 or 5 days you have to be in great riding shape. The elements will tear you up. I know as I did it several times 30 years ago.
No, I think plenty of them acknowledge that it exists, but I also think the class offers little for them.  Most people in my age bracket don't do multi-day cross-country trips.  Their motorcycles are there to get them to work, to ride to the bar, and to go on short blasts down back-roads.  In fact, of all of the people I regularly ride with, only one other person has any interest in what would be considered touring riding.  It's just not on their radar.  Sport-touring bikes are a compromise, and the people who are purely interested in only one-half of that label always think that they offer too much of the other half.  Sportbike riders see sport-tourers as offering too much in the way of comfort and stability, at the expense of all-out performance, whereas full-dress touring riders find the concessions toward corner-carving get in the way of uninterrupted hours of slab-riding.

I don't think the sport-touring class of bikes has ever been properly appreciated, by any age bracket, really.  Too many people are willing to write them off as compromised, rather than realizing these kinds of motorcycles have their own attributes and strengths, too.

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I still say if you want to tour the country on a bike a C10 for $1750 cannot be beat. It would not be my only Bike at age 25 to 35. But I think many young riders are missing a phenomenal opportunity to tour the country or take some really great long weekend trips for give away prices. Ever ride a GPz900 loaded up with a backpack full of gear 400 miles on Friday and ride back 400 on Sunday? You are going to be beat Monday morning. You do the same  on a C10 and you will be standing tall at the water cooler telling others about the great trip you had this weekend. I won't even get into two up riding.

By the way that's less than 3 tanks of gas on a C10. And under $40.
So, that's true, if you're looking to tour, the C10 is a fantastic machine.  Bang for the buck, it's better than anything out there, even the C14.  It's inexpensive, parts are everywhere, there's a good dealer and support network, and it's still a capable ride even compared to other sporting machines.  But if you're looking for something sleek and sexy to ride half an hour to the bar after work, it's overkill.  It's big and heavy, and not as fast as your buddy's ZX-10R, and not as good-looking as your other buddy's '74 CB750 café racer.  Connie's just selling something that most people my age aren't interested in.  Out of everyone in my immediate and extended circle of riding friends within my age group, I am the only person I know who has ever done more than a day ride at once.  And even then, the people that have participated in 3-hour-plus rides were doing it as part of something like a poker run or charity event, where there was plenty of stopping and resting between 20- to 30-minute freeway blasts. 

I never took my GPz900R on any long trips, because it was too valuable to me and in too good a condition for me to risk anything happening to it, but I did take my ZX-6R supersport on a nine-hour non-stop ride from Phoenix, AZ to Ouray, CO.  And yeah, I was utterly destroyed by that ride.  My back felt terrible for a month afterward, and that experience was the exact reason I ended up buying a Concours.  I thought, "I really liked that long ride, but man, I want to do it on something that doesn't feel like it's actively trying to kill me!"  Bought a Concours the week after I got back.  But when I tell people I ride with about this all-day ride, this week-long motorcycle trip I took, they're all like, "Ugh, why?  Why would you ever do that to yourself?"  There's just not that much interest in all-day touring.  I think it's just an older man's game, really, and I've always been a bit of an old soul.

I end up taking flak from people about my Connie, or at least having to explain why I'm riding an "old man bike" sometimes.  I was in Chipotle the other day, with my Connie parked out front, and two 20-something dudebros showed up on a CBR600RR and a GSX-R600.  As they were standing outside smoking, one pointed at my bike.

"Hey, man, would you ever ride anything like that?" he asked his friend.

"F*$% no, man," the other guy replied after snorting derisively.

Now, personally, I don't care one way or the other.  I've been catching s#$% from people about my ride since I started.  My Ninja 250R got called "a girl's bike," "something my mom would ride", and "training wheels" (which, to be fair to that last one, it was...) by people I barely knew.  My GPz900R was, in my eyes, one of the coolest, most iconic motorcycles of all time, but everyone else just called it "that ugly '80s bike", and even when I had the cool-guy bike, the ZX-6R, it was "oh, yeah, well, you'll be ready for a big-boy bike like an R1 or something soon".  Now, I have a comfortable, sporty, long-distance, reliable motorcycle in Connie, but I went through a lot of BS to get there, and I'm still catching it now. 

A lot of people my age don't want to deal with that, so no matter what the good qualities of a sport-tourer, they'll contort themselves on to a ratty café bike or an ultrapowerful race machine, and because they're young and limber, they'll deal with the uncomfortable qualities because those machines are cool.  They look like something James Dean would ride, or else they look like they're about to transform into a robot suit piloted by a Japanese schoolgirl, whatever floats your boat.  Motorcycles in the U.S. specifically have never, ever been about practicality and sense.  They're cool, rebellious machines ridden by cool, rebellious people.  Or, at least, they're supposed to be.  Connie exists quietly alongside those sexy hypermachines and cool retro-throwbacks, content to sit back and say, "It's fine.  Get it out of your system, and when your back starts to hurt and your wrists can't handle those clip-ons any more, when the price of insurance and the cost of tires and maintenance starts to get to you, I'll be here."
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: GKreamer on July 19, 2016, 05:38:52 pm
Well said!
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Cape Fear on July 19, 2016, 07:41:58 pm
...Connie exists quietly alongside those sexy hypermachines and cool retro-throwbacks, content to sit back and say, "It's fine.  Get it out of your system, and when your back starts to hurt and your wrists can't handle those clip-ons any more, when the price of insurance and the cost of tires and maintenance starts to get to you, I'll be here."

Hey this forum needs a like button!  :great:
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ron203 on July 19, 2016, 08:25:18 pm
Like +2  (you know what I mean)! :iagree:
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: DC Concours on July 20, 2016, 03:36:28 am
Beautifully stated.

...Connie exists quietly alongside those sexy hypermachines and cool retro-throwbacks, content to sit back and say, "It's fine.  Get it out of your system, and when your back starts to hurt and your wrists can't handle those clip-ons any more, when the price of insurance and the cost of tires and maintenance starts to get to you, I'll be here."
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: VTconnie on July 20, 2016, 06:09:42 pm
Yeah everything mentioned is on-point. I bought my first 2000 C10 in 2012 when I was 25. I did lots of research for the touring bike I needed to get me home from California to New England. The Concours beat out the ST1100 because of price, and after having seen an ST in person years later, I am glad I picked the Concours.

My first bike was one of those vintage "CB's" that were mentioned, I learned on a 900. So I am at home with big bikes. After my several thousand mile "Break in" run home from CA, I fell in love with the Concours. She is my everything bike, rarely do I don the saddle bags anymore but knowing I can carry days of camping supplies is amazing. As other might have seen, I run about as minimal a Concours as possible, just the upper fairing and not even fairing pockets! I love the appearance of the engine, and she is the centerpiece. If someone in person doesn't like how she looks, them fightin' words. For most people she turns heads, especially women. If the "Dudebro" crowd has any doubts, maybe passing them in 4th gear howling like the hounds of hell at triple digit speeds with my visor up and a relaxed seating position, will put them in their place.

Is she big? you bet. Just the way I like them.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: capitaleno on July 21, 2016, 09:45:58 am
I agree with had been said before.  But most people learn on a smaller bike and are told not to upgrade until they have fully master it.  Let's face it, no one has been able to master a motorcycle because even the professional crash.  I learn on a Honda Cub 50cc and it did it's job beautifully.  Eventually I moved up to a 135CC engine which was great.  Being from a foreign country where a bike over 250CC is over killed, it is discouraging to know that in the states bigger is better and finding a fun, smaller bike is nearly impossible.  In high school I jump on a friend's GSXR 1100  and nearly killed myself so I purchase a 250 and that served me just find for years.  The Vulcan 800 I currently have is not as fun or faster than the kawa 250, so why get a bigger bike.  I got the Connie because now in my 40's, I care about comfort and like to carry stuff with me and not on a backpack.  I have little time to ride so when I do, I want to be in the saddle as long as possible and not cleaning the chain, etc.  The Connie offers the range, comfort and reliability to let me enjoy the few hours I have available.

 
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ron203 on July 21, 2016, 10:20:47 am
I've been following this with great interest and especially the comments from the newer and younger riders. Keep it up. I want to learn more.

We talk all the time at work about the Millennials, etc. and how they start businesses (or not), shop, socialize, work (or not). They don't look at things the way we do. My 24 year old is interested in bikes, but I've got nothing he can start on, certainly not a C-14 but he insists that I not buy an old bike for him to learn on. He wants to do it himself. Wonder where he got that sense of pride? Hmm. My 26 year daughter is interested but would rather spend her money on travel than riding but if she didn't live in Boston, she'd have a bike and would ride wit me. She rides pillion with me when she's in town but would rather be in charge! My 30 year old would rather write, game, and compute than anything else. I don't know if anyone in my family will follow my hobby or not. Maybe.

I hope our new marketing manager Fais is watching this and if not, will pick up on it when he gets back from whatever he's doing. He's younger than most of us and maybe he can connect. Maybe there's something we can do to invite our younger family members to be guests at events. I've seen a few guys doing that at RTE's and the COGgers have been very welcoming. Keep it up guys. Lots of maybes.

I've noticed in following the industry releases, ads, new models like the ones from Kawa for "shorter riders" and the number of younger and female riders in commercials that the industry realizes that the aging boomers are not the future of the sport.  The ads have younger people and the shorter bikes are unspokenly aimed at women who typically are smaller in stature.

If we are serious about helping promote our hobby, maybe we can think of some ways to include some younger blood. Maybe that PokeMon Go Run is not a bad idea...  ;)   Maybe, maybe, maybe...

If you love your hobby, talk to someone younger about it and invite them to an event. Or...I don't know. Just do something.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: NYbiomed on July 21, 2016, 11:16:24 am
    Excellent read ZX6Rob!....a fully faired, Samsonite laden C10's look like an old man's ride and are NOT cool looking, but practicality and youth are often exclusive from each other. It'll be interesting to see if younger riders begin to gravitate to the C14's when they enter the $3-4k realm, which is only a couple years away now. I think the 18-21 YO's will still shy away from a 1352cc bike and that's probably not a bad thing- but the C14 has the looks that IMO, pique younger riders interest. It has great styling, a beast of an engine and serious growl with just a $250 aftermarket slip-on. It gets people's attention of all ages, unless the individual is strictly a Harley fan-boy....
    I went to Pat and Sher's COG event a couple months ago and at 46, I was the youngest COG'er there :-\ The average COG member is a paunchy mid or late 50's guy, not a young....or fit :D crowd, but surely experienced and well-seasoned.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: MizzouMike on July 21, 2016, 12:28:40 pm
I recently changed jobs, and subsequently went from the young guys at work, to the old guy at work in the matter of a week.  Personally, I am very impressed with the majority of my millenial co-workers.  I really appeciate your insight ZX6Rob.  I ride with a gal who has a newer KLR650, and a guy who also has a ZX6.   They looked at my old C-10 as a dinosaur, but they appreciated it none the less.

Thanks for the insight Rob!
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: beaucephus on July 21, 2016, 01:36:08 pm
Nerd bike.  Had to be 36 to not care.  The millennials (don't call me one) are very image conscious.  If it doesn't make for good selfies, forget about it.  I'm sure there are exceptions, but I bet they look a lot like me and already gave up on being cool.  I think this is also a more safety conscious generation.

Of course this begs the question of why the hipsters haven't started riding them because they aren't cool.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Thud300 on July 21, 2016, 04:50:30 pm
It's hard to do wheelies and stoppies on a big shafty
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: rick on July 21, 2016, 04:52:01 pm
I got my first C10 when I was 29 and I will always have one.  It is true that the bike doesn't have that "cool factor" for impressing non riders.  An old sport tourer is not a chick magnet or an ego booster.  Almost all riders I talk to respect the C10 for its capability and value.  It is just a good cheap bike that will run forever if you take care of it.  That's about as cool as it gets in my book.  It's also pretty nice to be able to do almost all of your grocery shopping on your bike.  That being said, I never considered a bike with bags until I had no car.  Something like a Connie is probably not on the radar of most young riders unless their situation demands it.
Kevin

Truer words have never been spoken.  Well said.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Gawernator on November 16, 2018, 08:21:01 am
I just turned 25..., and am a road racer, probably nobody expects someone like me to own one!  :beerchug:  but I'm finding myself very interested lately.... I want to get one soon possibly.

"But yet, the cult thing would be that they are cool specifically because they are so un-cool."   :D exactly...
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Boomer on November 16, 2018, 08:52:27 pm
I love blowing past younger riders on their designer sportsbikes and cafe racers, and I enjoy their surprise when I pull my lid off and they see the grey hair. Old guy on an old guys bike,... but faster than you :D
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: VTconnie on November 16, 2018, 09:10:46 pm
I love blowing past younger riders on their designer sportsbikes and cafe racers, and I enjoy their surprise when I pull my lid off and they see the grey hair. Old guy on an old guys bike,... but faster than you :D

I turn 30 soon, and have been riding a C10 for 6 years. I too enjoy blowing past people, of any machine, with my vintage girl. This old goose can still honk!
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Gawernator on November 16, 2018, 10:37:18 pm
I love blowing past younger riders on their designer sportsbikes and cafe racers, and I enjoy their surprise when I pull my lid off and they see the grey hair. Old guy on an old guys bike,... but faster than you :D

I raced a ninja 250 last year. So I understand that feeling 😂😂
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: ConcoursKZ on November 18, 2018, 05:52:51 pm
I love blowing past younger riders on their designer sportsbikes and cafe racers, and I enjoy their surprise when I pull my lid off and they see the grey hair. Old guy on an old guys bike,... but faster than you :D

Once young people realize that there is a big country out there and for $1500.00 you can explore it in comfort, freedom and a great view maybe the C10 will catch on.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: DangerousDan on November 19, 2018, 08:19:28 am
This is all true, and realistic.  Reality dictates though, most younger people are locked up in a daily struggle to just get bills payed, and  go have some fun as quickly as possible.  Just getting my Crysis (connie) out of my car port is quite a task, and avoiding  dropping her on my un-even, gravel , mountain side driveway is a daily undertaking.  I don't have many younger friends that could pull it off on a daily basis without accidental spills, before they even get on the thing.  Handling in parking lots, steep gravel drives, kick stand sinking in the ground, etc. etc.  Who wants to deal with it? 
  One has to admit; This bike is not convenient  for quick jaunts.  Heaven forbid you accidentally come to a dead end on a graveled, narrow mountain trail to the lake, on a steep hillside.   Connies are a beast to maneuver, that is the problem.  The seat is too high, the weight is too much.  Its as wide as a truck! If you consider your body leaning against it , pressing it with all your might over the slightest pothole in the turn about.  Forgetting to back into a parking space is a most embarrassing thing too! If there is any slope in the parking lot.
  Hell,, I didn't even want a Connie, it was thrown at me, as I was searching for a bike for my oldest daughter.  I wanted an enduro.  But all this bike for 1200?  I was just wise enough at age 51 to realize I'd be saving 30 bucks a week in gas and can carry all my tools to work.  I don't regret buying it,, but the need for a bike I can ride to a place to "really ride" (code for crash) is still in my sights.   I've been riding a CB 400 on and off road for 3 years now, love the thing.  I put an enduro tire on the back and ride it along horse trails and walking/ animal  paths.  Connie's limited turning radius is scary, her weight and height intimidating.  There is no chance of bright young people committing  to the hazards and limitations of Connie.  I may be 51, but I look, feel and play like I'm still 20 or 30.  I know there are many bikes out there much better suited for my lifestyle.  But I am unwilling to work that hard to pay, or even go out of my way to find them.  The youth still have the ambition necessary to chase that dream.  I personally, never dreamed I'd be loving this monstrous beast I now call Crysis.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: SteveJ. on November 19, 2018, 11:14:50 am
That large turning radius almost bit me my first time riding the c-10. I was in the dealer parking lot and had just mounted up to go for a test ride. I went for a sharp turn and found the turning stop quite unexpectedly. Close call.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: DangerousDan on November 20, 2018, 04:46:21 am
That large turning radius almost bit me my first time riding the c-10. I was in the dealer parking lot and had just mounted up to go for a test ride. I went for a sharp turn and found the turning stop quite unexpectedly. Close call.

Yes,, I deal with it every day in my driveway.  Makes we wonder why they did that?  Seems there is enough room in the faring to allow another inch of steering .  Anyone know why the stops are so tight?  LOL, or if they can be trimmed ?  :D
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Captsparrow on November 20, 2018, 05:01:38 am
I lived the 80's so, this bike gives me my youth back many times in a certain way. I couldn't afford it then but, living with it now and enjoying every minute of it.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: bajasam on November 21, 2018, 01:31:07 am
I lived the 80's so, this bike gives me my youth back many times in a certain way. I couldn't afford it then but, living with it now and enjoying every minute of it.
boy, ain't that the truth, back in the day i bought a brand new cb350 for 810 bucks and thought i was king of the hill, this bike gives same excitement for what is now pocket change(almost).
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Derick on November 24, 2018, 04:04:21 am
I always wondered the same thing. I'd be ok with a 30-40s rider following. I've been riding a connie since I was 27, and I'm 38 now. I NEVER understood why it didnt get much of a young person following. If you're tall, and want to travel...there is no better bike (at the time at least.) I have a goldwing, and I feel the same way about it. There are like ZERO people under 50 riding wings...why?! One of the thoughts is the cost...only baby boomer retirees can afford one. The connie doesnt have that issue though lol.

Anyhow, yeah I dont know why it seems to be an old guy bike. I love mine, always will, especially since its not worth crap. No sense in selling it.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Lee on November 25, 2018, 03:59:42 pm
Slightly off topic. As to C10's looks.

Many a time I get cat calls from young women across parking lots about how they like my 87 Concours. As I am 65 years and 295lbs, it certainly is not me, he he. Connie even got me a Waffle House waitresses phone number once saying she loved to ride. Sad to say I did not follow up.

As well many a young man has come up to with compliments on the C10 and to ask questions. When they find out the bike is older than themselves. Well, drop jawed, is a descriptor oft played out over and over.

Would have to surmise a Connie's sex appeal even if 80's standards is still relevant today.

Suspect the real issue is motorcycles are skill intensive and not for faint of heart. I have ridden more than 5o plus years now. Few people ride that long as their lifestyle eventually comes into conflict with the practice. Makes for a difficult practice to start also.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Grant on November 25, 2018, 04:36:30 pm
Is am going to say it is because the younger generation has not yet acquired the knowledge and wisdom that is only comes with age.  ;)  There is some wisdom that can only be gained through experience  :motonoises:
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Derick on November 28, 2018, 01:38:08 am
I think also that this younger generation doesn't travel via motorcycle nearly as much. I have no data to back my claim, but I have tried to reach out to the community in several different ways and they just dont want to tour on  motorcycles anymore. I rode to colorado when I was 29 and had been doing regional trips for years prior to that...so I guess I'm an exception to the norm, which sucks. I wanted to find some folks in my demographic to ride with.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Mcfly on December 02, 2018, 01:26:40 am
I think also that this younger generation doesn't travel via motorcycle nearly as much.

Especially long hauls, which is what the Connie excels at...  Having to text, facetime, tweet and selfie
regularly makes the motorcycle a less than perfect choice.  Then there's the chance of getting wet,
the lack of A/C, the abundance of heat.  I have to admit... I think I typed myself out of riding...  :D    :D

Nah...  J/K!
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Bud on December 02, 2018, 12:12:36 pm
Just a little inspiration from Rev.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKHrObHWVIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKHrObHWVIA)

Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Bud on December 02, 2018, 12:16:21 pm
 >:D
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Jim Snyder on December 02, 2018, 12:28:13 pm
The bottom line here is this. While all of the retro wannabes are lubing tbeir chains, and the Harley guys are hauling their bikes back and forth to the shop, and the sportbike dudes are waiting for their replacement plastic parts to be delivered, the C-10 is ready to ride. C-10's are like the Energizer bunny.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: CRocker on December 02, 2018, 04:31:36 pm
It’s just too practical...
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Post by: ron203 on December 02, 2018, 09:44:29 pm
Simple: No screen 
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: DangerousDan on December 04, 2018, 03:58:10 am
seriously though.  I am 51 yo,  a martial arts instructor, have had the full splits since age 16, still do.  I am a builder, I run (now days ) a mile in 6 minutes if pressed to hurry, 7 if just relaxing. I can do 100 pushups in one attempt, no resting, in about 2 minutes.  i can do 50 pushups  in 40 seconds or less.  I can spin back aerial back crescent kick a beer can off a 6' mans head.  I can do pushups from a hand stand.  But moving this bike in and out of my port is the hardest thing I do each day.  This bike is too tall and very intimidating if you have to push it around rough terrain.  I think that is the biggest problem.  And saddle bag is another piece of baggage that just screams; "OLD GUY". 
  I bet there is a high percentage of people test riding or trying out connie who drop her before they even hit the road.  It is not cool to show that you are struggling with your bike,, EVER!  That is the problem.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: cal on December 04, 2018, 11:38:42 am
Connie even got me a Waffle House waitresses phone number once saying she loved to ride

Wish we had a Waffle House out here!  ;D
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Mcfly on December 05, 2018, 11:06:09 pm
Connie even got me a Waffle House waitresses phone number once saying she loved to ride

Wish we had a Waffle House out here!  ;D

No you don't....  ;D
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Bocajnala on December 06, 2018, 02:55:44 am
Most people who have money to tour the country, have money for a "better" bike.

I'm 28 and have had my C10 for about a year and a half now. It's the perfect bike for me.

I've taken a few 2,000 mile long weekends. But no true "tour"... That's difficult with young kids at home.

If I had more $$$$ I'd probably be on a bmw k1600

But I love my C10. Had it out today and it was blowing snow.



-Jake
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: bajasam on December 06, 2018, 01:46:33 pm
you'd think that with statistics showing most kids under 30 cant even afford to move out of mom an dads house that they all would be looking for a cheap ride like the c-10.i think maybe that the general trend is that more and more kids just have no desire to go outdoors for anything as their tablets and phones fulfill all their needs in life.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Bocajnala on December 06, 2018, 02:05:07 pm
Financing is EASY to get. Almost anybody can get a loan and ride a new bike.

I avoid debt like the plague.

And the C10 does everything I need. Plenty of storage for my daily commute and a week trip as well. Good mileage. Reliable.

I'm hoping to have a 20k mile year next year.

-Jake
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: SteveJ. on December 06, 2018, 05:09:58 pm
Connie even got me a Waffle House waitresses phone number once saying she loved to ride

Wish we had a Waffle House out here!  ;D

No you don't....  ;D


Mmmm... Hash browns smothered and covered or smothered country, scattered. I'm gonna have to try topped someday...
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: SteveJ. on December 06, 2018, 05:15:08 pm
Most people who have money to tour the country, have money for a "better" bike.

I'm 28 and have had my C10 for about a year and a half now. It's the perfect bike for me.

I've taken a few 2,000 mile long weekends. But no true "tour"... That's difficult with young kids at home.

If I had more $$$$ I'd probably be on a bmw k1600

But I love my C10. Had it out today and it was blowing snow.



-Jake
Nothing wrong with an old cheap or frugal bike. I bought my '99 four years old for four grand and proceeded to to travel most of North America. I wound up putting over 200k miles on that bike. It has since been in an accident and met it's demise, with over a quarter million miles on it.

I traveled from FLA to CAL on an old beat up $1200 KLR.

It can be done. Good maintenance and prep work are key
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: VTconnie on December 06, 2018, 10:00:34 pm

Nothing wrong with an old cheap or frugal bike. I bought my '99 four years old for four grand and proceeded to to travel most of North America. I wound up putting over 200k miles on that bike. It has since been in an accident and met it's demise, with over a quarter million miles on it.

I traveled from FLA to CAL on an old beat up $1200 KLR.

It can be done. Good maintenance and prep work are key

 :great: :great:


They really are great bikes, and pretty darn frugal. So frugal that I don't mind spending lots of money on "extras" (read:farkles). I think most C10 owners feel this way, especially when we can expect the engines to last a quarter million miles!
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: LeeM on December 08, 2018, 03:23:50 am
The C10 is simply too much bike for a young rider. My 26 year old son wants to ride my Connie. He simply doesn't have the experience base to cope with the weight of this bike if it tips at a stop sign. He doesn't understand how fast things happen if you hold the throttle open in 3rd gear.

I remember when I was 15 in 1963 and my brother let me ride his Vincent Black Shadow around the block right before the bike was sold. I remember that bike leaping forward when I gave it the gas in 2nd gear at 30 miles per hour.

Still thinking about the original question "How come the C10 isn't a cult bike..." I went and watched some Youtube motorcycle videos. "The glory days of British motorcycles..." brings up the somewhat romanticized story of Lawrence of Arabia back in Britain. He had a custom Brough Superior 1000 cc V-twin and rode it fast supposedly to relieve the depression he felt after the excitement of WWI settled down.

Well one motorcycle story video leads to another, where I finally settled on daydreaming about the Kawasaki H2, which is a 1000 cc transverse 4 just like our bikes, with a supercharger and fuel injection. An H2r recently went 209 mph at Bonneville. Now, considering that I am 72 and supposed to retire soon, why the dickens am I on Craigslist drooling over a Kawasaki H2 offered for sale new at $17,000?

The idea of going 120 on my Connie, just like the idea of going 150 on an H2 gives my brain a mental thrill. I use the imagination of the forces at such high speed to  keep me doing maintenance at the highest level of workmanship. Maybe next year I'll gas up the Connie  and drive out to visit the Hopi. So the Connie isn't a cult bike, it is a vehicle for doing once in a lifetime trips, that might even include 120 mph on a stretch of I-80 at the time and place of my choice.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: bajasam on December 08, 2018, 02:41:54 pm
could'nt disagree with you more on that opinion.just about any 16 year old person(male or female) is more than capable of handling a c-10, much less your 26 yo son. the only reservation i'd have is maturity level to have self control with the speed, but that would be a concern with a 40 year old also.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: The Doctor on December 09, 2018, 02:13:41 am
could'nt disagree with you more on that opinion.just about any 16 year old person(male or female) is more than capable of handling a c-10, much less your 26 yo son. the only reservation i'd have is maturity level to have self control with the speed, but that would be a concern with a 40 year old also.

+1. It depends on experience. As an MSF coach I see plenty of guys that are 40+ just learning how to ride. I would trust a 26 year old that's been riding for a decade over one of those blokes any day.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Bocajnala on December 12, 2018, 12:21:09 am
I don't think age plays any factor in it. Experience, sure. I don't find the C10 to be difficult to handle at all. But I've been on two wheels since before most kids were on a tricycle.

-Jake
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Mabupa on December 12, 2018, 05:05:46 am
To answer the original question of why the c10 is not a cult bike, the answer is, because it looks like a dated grandpa bike. When I was 23, I had a gsxr600 that I hated to ride more than 100 miles. Looked at “touring” bikes and the c10 didn’t even make to that list, because of its looks. I ended up on a hayabusa with saddlebags and top case. I then saw the concours14 and fell in Love with the looks of it. I met hayabusa forum member that had a Concours14 and he let me take it for a ride and..........a month or 2 later, I was driving home with a C14 and I’m extremly happy with it and currently waiting on my custom seat, so I can go on longer trips. I still have my hayabusa, but the C14 is like a Cadillac. Just my .02cents as a 32 year old rider.
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: connie_rider on December 12, 2018, 02:53:07 pm
Thanks for posting that Mabupa. I was going to say the same.
(Except for the 32 year old rider part),,, <gloom>

That sed; I recently got my nephews to go on rides with me.
               They rode my spare C-10. {They referred to it as my "Geezer Machine"}..
               After the rides, they no longer use that term for the bike, and no longer call me "old and slow". <evil grin>

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: Ranger Jim on December 12, 2018, 09:21:59 pm
Soooo, they just call you "slow" now?  :rotflmao:
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Post by: connie_rider on December 12, 2018, 11:13:38 pm
Yepp, that's me, Old and Slow.  >:D

My point was they had to ride the bike first to appreciate it.
Thinking it a "geezer machine" prevents others from giving one a try.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: How Come The C10 Isn't A Young Rider Cult Yet?
Post by: okrider on December 12, 2018, 11:35:24 pm
Well, keep in mind that the C14 is also getting cheaper and cheaper now. There are plenty for sale for $4k-5k. As a 26 year old, that's what I opted for.