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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2018, 01:19:35 pm »
Installed this bulb today.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/H4-HB2-9003-980W-147000LM-CREE-COB-LED-Headlight-Kit-High-Low-6000K-Bulbs-Power-/263588030843?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
Put in with the flat side of the base down. When lit, the low beam is up top and high comes on low.
If I'm wrong, please let me,know now :-[
Or Ill wait until tonight until to see.
M in SC is correct. Took some finagling to get the wire holder on.
Minus the boot but may be fine. Carry it with the old bulb in the side pocket.
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I get the part about the lamp product being waterproof to some extent, but what exactly prevents water/moisture/etc from getting into the actual housing the lamp assembly attaches to, as when the lamp begins to cool, natural atmosphere will be drawn in around the base... and accumulate inside that housing that houses the reflector surfaces and lenses... which is the sole reason a boot was used on the OEM type lamps. Especially so in cases of really foul weather riding, when you shut the bike off.
Just curious how it is supposed to "seal" the housing... an O-ring would have been nice..

I guess what I'm getting at, is even tho a product has an IP68 rating on it's own, when the installation requires it protruding into another sealed vestibule, or container so to speak, which also is waterproof (IP68 or greater), the point of connection is still the weak point, or part that needs to be graded.
This comes from years of designing electrical enclosures for instrumentation, here in the USA we use a NEMA code, (NEMA4 is rated for long duration spray down) where no water may enter the enclosure during the testing. IP ratings are an Iso st'd, and while similar, they are not a direct "comparo" as methods vary for each level. (NEMA 6 & 6P, are considered as submersible and also carry the pressurized water jet test to the higher rating to get the 6 ) The "8" in the IP rating, denotes it may be submerged, for a short period, but it also does not have to meet the "hose test", which is pretty brutal I will say, having to go thru these tests on many pieces of equipment I designed to obtain UL compliance. (also CE compliance in some products).

Me thinks you worry too much.

The two LED-type that I have dealt with (the original Cyclops and the OPT7) came apart so that the protective boot could be installed. The boot on my KLR with the OPT7 bulb in there now has the boot installed. I can't remember if I had to modify it to fit, but don't think I did. I can assure you that bike has been in some hellacious downpours (and water crossings) with nary a drop getting into the lamp housing.

Looks like the new Cyclops lamp comes apart too, so the Connie boot can be modified to properly seal things off. Properly applied RTV can seal the deal (sorry - couldn't resist) to eliminate the possibility of water intrusion.

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2018, 07:27:38 pm »
yeah, I do worry, but the lights you used are the "good ones", and yes, they do have the removable rear, so the boot can be used...
The high end ones usually do, which is to be expected.
I made some responses in the past, (can't remember if here, or the "other forum") about this, and listed some of the ones the rear parts can be removed on for "booting", can't find them now tho.. :-[
And you know just how much I "enjoy riding in the rain"... it always rains... :nananana:
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I just won't be using $12 bulbs (2 required) in my C14, as it's double the ingress area, and don't want to replace my headlight housing. (went thru 3 on my old KZ, because of my lack of rubber boot usage).

besides, those badazzzz NAPA 80/100's you turned me on to 14 years ago, still are awesome for the cost$. and I have enough juice to power them... so no issue...( they do last a heck of a long time tho, I never had one burn out...)  hope I didn't just Jinx myself.

YMMV (but it always ends up raining).... :truce: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2018, 10:14:12 pm »
I had to cut the X out of the end of the boot.  Still doing its job diligently. 
That actually happened when the HID BULB went in... then the HID came out at a rest station on I75,  :(
and the back up halogen bulb went in... Das boot went on fine.

I'm sure there are one or two asking, "What is this boot they speak of?"

A similar question I asked about the rubber pieces under the fuel tank.  :-[
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2018, 11:12:36 am »
Figured I'd give the new 10K Cyclops a try. If it doesn't work out, back it goes like the original one I tried a couple of years ago.













Was gonna try and tweak it in after it got dark last night, but a bad storm rolling through the area just as it got dark foiled that. Will try again tonight. If nothing else, it's a hellava lot more visible than the Wagner 80/100 due to its "whiteness." We'll see how it works in the real world lighting up the road.
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2018, 01:43:36 pm »
I put Elektek LED H4 bulbs on my C14 about 2 years ago, and they are graet. I don't see these for sale, so they may have dropped from the market.
Some time ago I posted about how I am convinced that the LEDs saved me from hitting as deer at night. The white light from the LEDs created contrast between the brown deer and the green behind it. With Halogens, the trees would have been brownish-green, less contrast, and I would not have seen is as quickly, and... bad things would have happened. As it was, I braked enough top barely bump it.
The patters is not quite as good as the halogen H4, but very close.  I think there are newer ones on the market that are better; some are even DOT approved, which I believe means a good pattern.
On mine, the base separated from the bulb, and had an O-ring to seal.
Rich is correct, you have to be careful you maintain the seal.  Many new headlamp assemblies are sealed, and have a vent hole with a Gore-Tex membrane to let them breath, while keeping liquid moisture from entering. I'm sure the large boots can flex and keep the headlamp dry.
Woudl I recommend LED Headlamp bulbs - YES :great:

Don't skimp, get decent ones which will likely last for many years.

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2018, 06:27:09 pm »
even the $12 dollar one shave an o-ring in the body. ive had very pricey ones and some cheap ones, most are exactly the same construction wise. just different boxes and labels. .02


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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2018, 07:52:41 pm »
the Cyclops model Guy shows above, is the one I was trying to find, to show the fact the "locking tabbed ring" was removable on that specific bulb assembly, which makes them a win-win in my book...
I think if you look close at the 4th picture from the top, you will see the " tab thing", thats the hole in the outer lock ring, whic allows you to slip the rubber boot over the lamps barrel, and install the lamp thru the boot.
It does require shaving down the length of the boot, but the boot still retains the nice seal around the lamp barrel.

thanks for showing that one Guy, I couldn't remember the actual lamp that had that feature.
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2018, 02:48:42 am »
fyi, they are removable on the cheaper ones i posted as well. like said, built the same for the most part, except the ones i posted are a newer design w/out the seperate box. the ones from a year or 2 ago had the seperate box as well but they got the circuitry figured out now where its not nec and can fit it into the bulb body housing.  i currently run both styles.

some come with different bulb housing mounts as well, ie: h7's.  so, if you have a more modern bike with one light high and one low that take h7s, (some triumphs, yamahas, etc) you can retrofit this type of bulb with an h7 tab and run dual beam on both reflectors if you wish. just .02




so, you can mount the tab, put the boot on, intall the bulb (as shown above). not sure if its nema7 or sa compliant  :D , but sure works juuust fine on a motorcycle in the wet.

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2018, 11:03:33 am »
 Might I recommend the following bulb

http://www.sparckmoto.com/Products/Detail/75

 I Purchased this bulb and installed it. It has no cooling fan, but rather three braided metal strips that act as heat sinks. It takes a little bit of work to get it in because you have to cut a hole in the rubber boot that covers the headlamp hole on the back of the faring. But it is well worth it! No pun intended, but the difference  is night and day!

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2018, 04:49:45 pm »
just got some of these , needed a shallow back one for my 72 suzuki with stock bucket. no fan, no heatsink. no box. these work very well. the tech just keeps getting better.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-H4-9003-HB2-980W-147000LM-Car-Fanless-LED-Headlight-CREE-Kit-6000K-White/263588386781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2018, 08:22:22 pm »
just got some of these , needed a shallow back one for my 72 suzuki with stock bucket. no fan, no heatsink. no box. these work very well. the tech just keeps getting better.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-H4-9003-HB2-980W-147000LM-Car-Fanless-LED-Headlight-CREE-Kit-6000K-White/263588386781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
980W 147000LM???   :o  I have a feeling those specs are a bit optimistic.
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2018, 11:56:13 am »
 thats obviously completely wrong, but i took the t500 out last night, the headlight is working quite well. if it was 980w it probably would have melted the headlight and a few trees with the 147000 lumen beam. lol








just got some of these , needed a shallow back one for my 72 suzuki with stock bucket. no fan, no heatsink. no box. these work very well. the tech just keeps getting better.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-H4-9003-HB2-980W-147000LM-Car-Fanless-LED-Headlight-CREE-Kit-6000K-White/263588386781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

980W 147000LM???   :o  I have a feeling those specs are a bit optimistic.

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2018, 03:20:51 am »
 Motorcycle LED Headlight Conversion Kit - H7 LED Fanless Headlight Conversion Kit with Compact Heat Sink
Part Number: H7-HLV4-M
$29.95 ea

Absolutely fits perfectly, no boot cutting, plug and play, works fantastic!

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/motorcycle-led-bulbs/motorcycle-led-headlight-conversion-kit-h7-led-headlight-bulb-conversion-kit-with-compact-heat-sink/3932/8568/

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2018, 11:13:02 am »
This H7 bulb is not for the C10 which requires a H4 bulb. I have noticed that the LED lights that are used with success on C10 headlights have a small wing to the side of the LED which helps the low beam cutoff. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/back-up-light-bulb/motorcycle-led-headlight-conversion-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulb-conversion-kit-with-compact-heat-sink/3930/8566/

I am using a light similar to the one I referenced and it works nicely whereas the first LED bulb I tried would light up the top of trees....

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2018, 12:07:34 am »
This H7 bulb is not for the C10 which requires a H4 bulb. I have noticed that the LED lights that are used with success on C10 headlights have a small wing to the side of the LED which helps the low beam cutoff. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/back-up-light-bulb/motorcycle-led-headlight-conversion-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulb-conversion-kit-with-compact-heat-sink/3930/8566/

I am using a light similar to the one I referenced and it works nicely whereas the first LED bulb I tried would light up the top of trees....

You are correct.  I'm sorry. It is a H4 and that is the correct link.
Motorcycle LED Headlight Conversion Kit - H4 LED Fanless Headlight Conversion Kit with Compact Heat Sink
Part Number: H4-HLV4-M
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2018, 09:25:25 pm »
Figured I'd give the new 10K Cyclops a try. If it doesn't work out, back it goes like the original one I tried a couple of years ago.













Was gonna try and tweak it in after it got dark last night, but a bad storm rolling through the area just as it got dark foiled that. Will try again tonight. If nothing else, it's a hellava lot more visible than the Wagner 80/100 due to its "whiteness." We'll see how it works in the real world lighting up the road.

Believe it or not, last night was the first after dark opportunity I've had to try out this new LED lamp. And you know what, it will be the last after dark opportunity for it in my bike. It's coming out and the Wagner 80-100w incandescent is going back in.

IMGO - the low beam pattern is horrible, and I'm really glad I'd asked another rider to lead the way. High beam isn't too bad, but still not up to par with the Wagner bulb.

Been too long for me to try to return it, so it'll go back in the box and find a place on the shelf. If someone wants to make me an offer (+ shipping), PM me and we'll go from there. You may find it perfectly acceptable.
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2018, 12:31:38 am »
Guy, send it to me, I'll stick that sob in my old Kz...it needs a bulb.. and that generator ain't high output when running my Gerbing... :rotflmao:

Glad we all still use those 80/100 NAPA bulbs, by far, they are the BOMB...

I still have 2 spares, and they are the best....

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2018, 10:31:48 am »
Guy,
that was a lot of work with a badresult. You'd love the easy install and results with https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/motorcycle-led-bulbs/motorcycle-h7-led-fanless-headlight-conversion-kit-with-compact-heat-sink-2000-lumens/3932/8568/

Not really. I had a second headlamp shell so all the fitting was done out on the bench. Back and patience was spared.

However, I've had it with LEDs. This one was a "new" variety with 10K Lumens. If it did, they sure weren't going out where they were supposed to.

The LED lamp in my KLR really isn't anything to brag about either. I've ridden it in late dusk, but not really late at night. Need to do that just to see how it really does. That's the second one on that bike..... sending the first one back...... another, earlier Cyclops. Figured I'd give the new generation a try just to see. Silly me; what was I thinking?
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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2018, 05:30:15 pm »
what is this 80/100 napa bulb of which you speak? is this napa any relation to the reknown napa auto parts group ? is it a plug an play no mods needed installation

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2018, 07:09:48 pm »
It's just a H4 halogen with an 80 watt low beam and a 100 watt high beam.  I had one on my 83 1100E back in the day when I was riding alot at night.  100 watts really lights up the road in front of you.....I mean a lot.  It would probably be advisable to install murphs headlight wiring upgrade kit https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=102 to handle the extra juice going to the headlight.  HTH

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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2018, 10:43:38 pm »
what is this 80/100 napa bulb of which you speak? is this napa any relation to the reknown napa auto parts group ? is it a plug an play no mods needed installation

correct.
you have to ask for them specifically, as they are not on the wall in the showroom floor anymore...
but they still have them.

I have a couple out of the package, and wrapped up in bubble wrap for onboard spares, and also one in a package that does look like this one from Wagner, can't remember if it was from NAPA, but I think it was also.



and as for the connector/wires, etc.,
get the high temp bulb connector,
NAPA
Part Number = NAPA #LS-6235

even then, use a small screwdriver and gently "pry" the contacts in it, to make the "tighter" to grip the teminals on the lamp., then, cut off the old connector, leaving some wire connected so you can use it in the future if needed, and slip on pieces of heat shrink tube, and solder the wires onto the equivalent spots on the socket, ;like the old one was (that's another reason to leave some wire on the old socket....), shrink the tubes, and install.. good to go.
I never had an issue with the wire harness, and many people melted the OEM sockets, so it's best to use the high temp one, but the old one would work if the contacts were immaculate, and they were 'sprung to tighten" them... best to be safe tho, the high temp sockets never melt down.

we did a side by side test many years ago, down at RWTW, between all the "latest and greatest high priced H4 bulbs", and we aimed the bikes across the airstrip there... each person turned their bike on and hit high beams, some were brite, some not, when I fired up old TOG, and hit the Hi Beams, I swear we saw small puffs of smoke, as raccoon eyballs on the far side of the airstrip went up in flames...we all had a good laugh...

Osram and Hella both make high output lamps,

90/100 lamp  Osram Rallye H4 Halogen 62204

Hella 80/100

they also have a lot of others, higher and lower, see drop down menu

I might try the 55/100 for my C14, as 90% of the time it won't be an issue...

also, ceramic sockets are available, especially nice for those high draw ones...



https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-H4-100-80W-Wattage/dp/B01BDWRAK6?th=1

sockets...

https://tinyurl.com/y8573znr

this looks perfect, and has added relays, for use on a C14 in a pair...

https://tinyurl.com/ybgk43lg

this stuff wasn't around back when we started using the NAPA bulbs...

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2018, 12:08:13 pm »
Guy, send it to me, I'll stick that sob in my old Kz...it needs a bulb.. and that generator ain't high output when running my Gerbing... :rotflmao:

Glad we all still use those 80/100 NAPA bulbs, by far, they are the BOMB...

I still have 2 spares, and they are the best....

I'm in discussion with Cyclops now. They're in the "try rebooting" mode right now, so we'll see. Stuff they're telling me to be sure of says they don't know their own product.

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2018, 12:29:25 pm »
what is this 80/100 napa bulb of which you speak? is this napa any relation to the reknown napa auto parts group ? is it a plug an play no mods needed installation

Part Number = NAPA #LS-6235

even then, use a small screwdriver and gently "pry" the contacts in it, to make the "tighter" to grip the teminals on the lamp., then, cut off the old connector, leaving some wire connected so you can use it in the future if needed, and slip on pieces of heat shrink tube, and solder the wires onto the equivalent spots on the socket, ;like the old one was (that's another reason to leave some wire on the old socket....), shrink the tubes, and install.. good to go.

I lost the OEM socket early on after several years of using an 80/100 bulb. Replaced the socket but still didn't feel comfortable after reforming the contacts, so wound up shimming their backsides with thin alum flashing to tighten things up to my satisfaction. Been that way for a lotta years now and a number of bulb replacements.

Strange coincidence: I found that I lost two bulbs up at Hiner View (PA) over the years. Wound up changing them out in the parking lot. Kinda sucked, but the scenery was awesome.   :D

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Re: LED headlight bulbs vs Sylvania Silverstar Halogen ?
« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2018, 02:18:05 pm »
ok, thx for the info, guess i wont be going the 80/100 route if it requires rewiring everything to keep it from burning up.led's sound like the way forward to improved and trouble free lighting.