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Title: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Dennis on April 14, 2018, 02:46:37 am
Last November, 2 days before it snowed here in the Western NY area (near Niagara Falls), I bought a 2004 C10 with just over 13,000 miles.  Rode it for 3 rides and fell in love with it.  Then I winterized it and waited all winter to get out and enjoy again.  Anyway, the weather here has been terrible and no riding thus far. 
I did notice that my petcock was on the prime setting instead of the on position when I checked the bike out a few days ago.  I do not smell any gas in the garage and see no spot of gas anywhere.  Of course the petcock is now back on the on position.  Does anyone think any damage might have been done by having it in the prime position??
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: The Wizard on April 14, 2018, 04:47:44 am
Dennis do not try to start;remove tank,sparkplugs and check for fuel(visible),with plugs out and rag over plug holes, maybe turn it over so fuel will blow out.Or is the tank empty????    Jerry
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Dennis on April 14, 2018, 05:35:40 am
Was hoping that fuel would not go any farther than carb bowls.  Tank is pretty much full
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: jettawreck on April 14, 2018, 10:32:42 am
The safe thing to do would be as Wizard suggests, to remove the sparkplugs and place rages over the holes before cranking it over.
If no gas spews out, you have dodged a bullet and apparently your carb float needles/seats are in good condition.
Now, unless already equipped, get SISF overflow tubes installed asap.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Mettler1 on April 14, 2018, 02:07:43 pm
  You may have gotten lucky this time BUT the hydro lock demon is always there. At the very least get overflow tubes NOW before another C10 dies.  >:(


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Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: VTconnie on April 14, 2018, 03:02:53 pm
If you do not smell any fuel then I imagine you are fine, the whole point of the needle valves controlled by the floats, is to hold back a whole tank of fuel until more is needed. Now, because the bike sat all winter like this, I also agree on checking the cylinders anyway. The bummer will be draining at least half that fuel tank, to remove the tank to pull the plugs (disconnect power to the coils!) before rotating the engine with a rag over the cylinder openings. As a new owner checking the plugs is good, replace while you are at it and check plug wire connections.

When properly maintained and ridden, these bikes are pretty hands off. But as a new owner of a classic bike, you will want eyes on certain areas. It doesn't have to be all done at once, but you are already getting started! :motonoises:
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Nosmo on April 14, 2018, 03:36:26 pm
If you do not smell any fuel then I imagine you are fine, the whole point of the needle valves controlled by the floats, is to hold back a whole tank of fuel until more is needed. Now, because the bike sat all winter like this, I also agree on checking the cylinders anyway. The bummer will be draining at least half that fuel tank, to remove the tank to pull the plugs (disconnect power to the coils!) before rotating the engine with a rag over the cylinder openings. As a new owner checking the plugs is good, replace while you are at it and check plug wire connections.

When properly maintained and ridden, these bikes are pretty hands off. But as a new owner of a classic bike, you will want eyes on certain areas. It doesn't have to be all done at once, but you are already getting started! :motonoises:


Good advice, but get used to pulling the tank while it is FULL.   :(

Seems like I never need to take mine off for any reason unless I've just topped it off.   :-[
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: harrykaw on April 14, 2018, 07:11:11 pm
+ 1 on the tank always being full when it's time to remove it. >:(
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: capmfries on April 14, 2018, 08:08:20 pm
Wow!! I was just ready to create a topic similar to this...I just did the same thing, the tank was full when I put it away last fall, but was empty today...I thought maybe someone syphoned the gas out..So I put a quart in and started it...I was running fine at first, then a ton of gas started pouring out the air filter box while it was running...Is that the old gas coming out of the jugs from having it on prime all winter? Or is it the new gas I just put in pouring out it? It's not locked up...Either way, how bad of a situation am I in?
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Mettler1 on April 14, 2018, 08:15:07 pm
  Might want to check out this video!!!

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W6k3pTdAXw&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W6k3pTdAXw&feature=plcp)

    And DON'T touch the starter button again until you pull the spark plugs. keep the plug wires out and away from the area!! Put rags over the spark plug holes. If any gas comes out you may have hydrolock.

    NOW is a good time to check!!
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: capmfries on April 14, 2018, 08:18:09 pm
It is not locked up...It runs fine...just pouring gas out the fliter box WHILE it's running.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Mettler1 on April 14, 2018, 08:30:10 pm
   You got lucky!! Don't start it again!! If fuel is coming out of the airbox there is something wrong with the carbs!! most likely dirt in the float needles or a stuck float!!!   HYDROLOCK has killed a lot of C10's!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: capmfries on April 14, 2018, 08:39:58 pm
Yes.. I've delt with hydrolock before...But it usually leaked out the airbox with the bike off..Not pouring out while its running...It sounded fine til the gas started pouring out then obviously dogged out cuz of too much gas..I replace the petcock 5yrs ago...Do you think its a petcock issue again cuz engine isn't drinking it as fast as its coming out the tank?
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Harry Martin on April 14, 2018, 09:02:11 pm
Based on this story...sounds like my C10 got lucky twice over the years.  :)
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Mettler1 on April 14, 2018, 09:04:57 pm
   The Carb float needle controls the amount of fuel the carb bowl will hold. If is stuck open the carb bowl overflows and gas runs into the airbox and also into the cylinder causing HYDROLOCK!! Many a bent rod because of it!! :'(

    I will add even if you left the fuel valve on the carb float needles will stop the fuel from overflowing. IF gas is flowing out of the carbs into the airbox or piston cyl. with the engine off you have at least one bad Carb!!! >:(
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: capmfries on April 14, 2018, 09:08:45 pm
So my petcock might be bad again right?...cuz the petcock diaphragm shouldn't let gas go to the carb unless under pressure
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Mettler1 on April 14, 2018, 09:26:34 pm
So my petcock might be bad again right?...cuz the petcock diaphragm shouldn't let gas go to the carb unless under pressure

    Even if you left the fuel valve on the carb float needles will keep the gas from flowing into the cyls.  IF !! they are working correctly !! JUst a thought but if the float needles were NOT set correctly they could allow fuel into the cyl. when not running!!  OR you have dirt or float needles not set correctly

  IF your gas tank ran empty over the winter you (even with the fuel valve on) you should NOT get gas overflow at the carbs!!!
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 14, 2018, 09:29:27 pm
So my petcock might be bad again right?...cuz the petcock diaphragm shouldn't let gas go to the carb unless under pressure

Correct.
It shouldn't allow flow when its set on RUN... not PRIME...

But, even then, the float needle is the culpret at that point.... might want to ask where 7 gallons of fuel went to also... like maybe the crankcase???? (I guess I'm saying you better drain the oil, and change the filter, because its likely filled with fuel... the crankcase that is...)

Just shut the bike off, disconnect the battery, and fix ALL the stuff... don't try running it again..
Petcock repair or replace,  float needles, and adjust of float level, drain crankcase, new oil filter, and during all that, pull the plugs and spin the engine over with the red wire disconnected from the coils, and a rag over the plug holes... fire extinguisher ready at hand... work outdoors...during the purge process.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Bob_C_CT on April 15, 2018, 10:03:37 am
Just adding a helpful hint about the gas tank removal/replace, take off the plastic fairing side covers below the tank on both sides prior to taking tank off and put back on after the tank is re-installed. When you are moving the tank these are suspeticle to scratching by the bottom edge of the tank, AMHIK.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on April 15, 2018, 01:52:28 pm
Ithe whole point of the needle valves controlled by the floats, is to hold back a whole tank of fuel until more is needed.

  Well, not exactly, and the distinction is worth mentioning.

  The purpose of the needle valves is to control the fuel level in it's own individual carburetor. It works the same way your toilet tank does, the float will rise on the fuel until it exerts enough pressure on the needle valve to shut off the fuel flow.

  In each needle valve, there is a tiny spring. it's there as a shock absorber to calm the vibrations and allow the needle valve to make smooth contact with the seat and not vibrate and bounce, which would let more fuel into the bowl. As needle valves age the springs weaken and the fuel levels rise because the float is allowed to go higher on the fuel column before enough pressure is exerted on the needle valve to shut off the fuel supply. This is also the precursor to hydrolock, as the fuel level isn't being controlled as it should be.

   In a properly functioning system, the petcock is really the prime control for not overloading the carb bowls. The petcock open / closes  with each vacuum pulse from the single carb (#2) that provides it's vacuum signal. This meters the fuel and won't overload properly functioning needle valves.

  In prime, there is nothing to meter the fuel, the full head pressure of the tank is available to the carbs. Properly functioning needle valves can and will hold back this pressure from overflowing the carbs. Let there be anything to disrupt that, and the needle valves will leak. This would include worn needle valves, trash stuck between the valve and seat, or deposits built up on the seat.

  It's a good system when all the components are in good repair, but certainly the most finicky system on the bike when age and disrepair and old fuel are involved. I would also add that the bikes I've seen that get constant riding have the least issues. Those bikes are certainly not the norm as most bikes in the US are used sporadically as pleasure rides, not everyday transportation. This is why that 15 year old c-10 that's been garaged for 12 years and has only 7000 miles on it needs more carb / fuel system work than the 15 year old c-10 with  100,000 miles on it that's daily driven.   Steve

 
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Mettler1 on April 15, 2018, 02:08:38 pm
    YUP, Steve knows stuff!! :great:

    Thanks Steve.

https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/
                   
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: VTconnie on April 15, 2018, 03:45:48 pm
Good to know Steve, I didn't know the vacuum petcock was so helpful for metering fuel. Makes sense, for instance on the first startup in 5+ months on friday, I didn't use the prime setting. 1: I knew the bowls wouldn't be completely empty, cold NE winters do that. 2: In case one of the bowls was empty, and the needle valve stuck open, I just start the bike with the petcock at 'ON' since it will take plenty of cranks after a cold winter. This gives plenty of time for the bowls to fill, I have had bad experiences with using PRIME for initial startups..

I also disconnect the overflow hoses to see if any of the floats throw a fit, and look for fuel out the nipple. She is not as fickle as my Honda, but then again Steve's carbs make a world of difference.

Really wish there was a #$%'in 'OFF' position on these petcocks, but I also don't like the idea of the manual conversions which people will just leave at the 'ON' position anyway.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: TJSocal on April 15, 2018, 06:27:42 pm
Really wish there was a #$%'in 'OFF' position on these petcocks, but I also don't like the idea of the manual conversions which people will just leave at the 'ON' position anyway.

Fair point - if people make the mistake of laying the bike up for the winter with the petcock in Prime (and how did it get set to Prime in the first place, one wonders?), they're probably not going to be saved by the presence of a manual fuel shutoff...
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Dennis on April 15, 2018, 09:45:45 pm
I want to thank everyone for their advice and suggestions.  I am going to take tank off, clean away any debris from spark plugs, remove spark plugs, disconnect red wire to coils, put rags over spark plug openings and then crank to see if any gas comes out.  Will also get new plugs while I am at it.  Weather here is worst April I have seen in a long time so I will have plenty of time to do it...Thanks Dennis
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: jettawreck on April 17, 2018, 12:25:32 am
As long as you will have the sparkplugs out, do the bent rod test procedure as per SISF video.
And strongly suggest to send those carb bowls away for overflow tubes installation. Peace of mind factor for the future for a small price. 
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on March 08, 2019, 06:25:52 pm
Dennis, I had (have) the same issue.  After you did all that you wrote about how did it turn out?
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Tour1 on March 08, 2019, 09:35:24 pm
Did anybody suggest the fuel house from the petcock to the carbs mighht be leaking fuel so it looked like it was coming from the air box?  That's the only thing I can think of that would happen only when running.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on March 09, 2019, 12:35:38 am
Did anybody suggest the fuel house from the petcock to the carbs mighht be leaking fuel so it looked like it was coming from the air box?  That's the only thing I can think of that would happen only when running.

If a needle valve fails to seat the bike will pump gas out the airbox while it's running. As long as it's running it's not hydrolocked.
Steve
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: mnbikeguy on March 09, 2019, 01:41:38 am
Ya'll commenting on a thread nearly a year old. The OP only posted 6x. Pretty sure this one is dead.  ;)
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on March 09, 2019, 02:19:32 am
Ya'll commenting on a thread nearly a year old. The OP only posted 6x. Pretty sure this one is dead.  ;)

yes, but someone is learning from it, so it's OK.  ;)  Steve
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: donaldj on March 09, 2019, 11:34:50 am
Ya'll commenting on a thread nearly a year old. The OP only posted 6x. Pretty sure this one is dead.  ;)

It is an older post, however it looks like Shipple88 was doing some research and was hoping for an answer to a problem he may have. Hopefully SIS was able to help him.  :great:
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 07, 2019, 08:27:05 pm
Thanks DonaldJ!  My friend and I ended up taking the tank off, doing all the testing and prepping for hydrolock etc.  Everything was fine with the plugs and no gas in the cylinder.  Cylinders were all straight and clean.  Next step was to change the oil.  Thats where the fun started.  The "oil" was about 50/50 oil and gasoline mixed.  Somehow the gas had gone from the tank to the oil area and the two had mixed together. We let it drain for at least 1/2 hour.
 
After reassembly of everything we put a gallon or two of gas in the tank  She started up fine and I ran maybe 5 miles at low RPM through his neighborhood.  We went back to the garage and drained the oil which was now about 95% oil, 5% gas.  I had the bike transported from Maryland to Lynchburg VA by a guy on U-Ship.  Nice guy and a good price.  Got it a couple of weeks ago and I'm going to the DMV to register it tomorrow.  (I may have run a couple of miles in the meantime using the license plates from my CTX700 but that is only a rumor!!!!) 

When I had left it on Prime (Thinking PRI was Primary) I had also just dropped the bike.  Anyway - when I talked about gas "gushing" out of the airbox it really was a gas/oil mix coming through the venturi part of the oil system inside the airbox.  The mixture in the sump was so full it had to escape somewhere and then the gas kept refilling the sump. 

Long story short she runs again!

Thanks to steve for explaining the venturi to me and then some sleuthing from myself and Andrew S (2006 Concours owner). 

Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 08, 2019, 12:22:22 am
  I had the bike transported from Maryland to Lynchburg VA by a guy on U-Ship.  Nice guy and a good price.  Got it a couple of weeks ago and I'm going to the DMV to register it tomorrow.  (I may have run a couple of miles in the meantime using the license plates from my CTX700 but that is only a rumor!!!!) 


cautionary note;
depending on where you go, to get your title work and registration done, they may or may not just rely on the "paper"... been there/done that in Va., and also back here in Ohio....
Ohio requires visual verification (by the person doing the title documentation at the bureau) that the actual bike's frame number and title number match... this forces the bike to be "presented" for examination/confirmation, and also forces the owner (unless he trailers it in) to buy a "temp tag"...$$ red tape...to ride it in;  same applied in Va., when I wanted to title my Ohio titled bike there (again $$ temp tag)... first thing they do is look at the plate if they walk out to inspect it. (and Va. also has a mandatory M/C inspection, just like cars/trucks)... so save yourself the hassle, and fines $$$$, and get the temp tag, it's cheaper than the ticket, and your gonna need an inspection anyways.

best of luck, and hope you enjoy payin "luxury tax" yearly... I always hated that part... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: JPD on April 08, 2019, 12:22:48 pm
In VA last week I was able to title and register with just the WV title in hand. You will pay tax on the book value not the selling price and there is a min tax for older vehicles. 2005 $75.00 tax, $28.00 registration with standard plate don't remember how much for the title. I have not got the inspection done yet, I need a license plate light. If you need the temp plate to bring a bike into VA you can do it online and it is about $5.00 and only good for 3 days.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 08, 2019, 07:35:24 pm
I wasn't talking about "sales tax", I was talking about the yearly "county levied" Luxury tax...
which you have to pay every single year... until the bike is old enough to be "exempt"...
Not sure how it's "structured" today, but if you buy a new vehicle, you don't begin the luxury tax until the following calender year... but then it's allways gonna be there, for many years... which really frosted me...

case in point, I moved to Va. in '02, and brought my 1978 KZ1000Ltd, which I had purchased in 1979, in OHIO, and fully paid sales tax on at that time... after I titled it in Va., I had to pay yearly tax "to my county" on that bike, up until 2008...when it became "old enough to be exempt"...
add in those same theft taxes to my '86 and '88 conni's, and my '08 C14 (ok, It was a new bike)... but it's just theft.... after all, you pay fuel, tire, etc., excise taxes for everything, then add in the original "sales tax", and every year a registration/plate and inspection fee that has taxes on each...
that's simply ridiculous. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

"Commonwealth" my eye.... :-[ ::)
Glad to be back in Oh-Hi-Oh....  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :great:

rant over,
ride safe y'all... :great:
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: JPD on April 09, 2019, 03:06:16 am
I feel you on the county taxes. If you think VA county tax is bad try NY property and school tax. They all seam to get you one way or another.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 21, 2019, 10:18:49 pm
I have more fun issues!!!  I've been running on very low gas because of all the 'gas getting into the oil' issues.  Other day I think I ran out (visually inspected inside the tank and saw very little gas in it) and tried a uturn to get down the hill and back towards my house.  U-turn at 3 mph of course led to Blueberry taking a fall onto her left side (very nice guy cutting his grass helped me pick her back up.) 
Now I've put in two gallons of gas and got a new fuel leak.  I've tracked it down to a tube that runs between carbs 1 and 2 (1 is the far left carb)  There's also the same tube between carbs 3 and 4 but that doesn't leak. 
What is the tube between 1 and 2 and what should I do?  I've drained the bowls on carbs 1 and 2 once each and started it and got the same problem.
Oh....... and i found out this is a CA model.  Any way to remove all the CA emissions crap?
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 21, 2019, 10:28:07 pm
I just found somewhere else on here that it is a vent tube.  What is that for and why is it 'venting' gas?
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 21, 2019, 10:42:27 pm
there's a "vent" from the float bowls, to atmosphere between 1-2 & 3-4, both run clear hoses up, along the backbone, and terminate at the rear of the airbox on the frame.
They are necessary to allow "atmosphere" to enter, and allow fuel flow into the carbs... if they were sealed, it would be like trying to "shove" liquid into a straw, which is covered by a finger and shoved into a glass of liquid... untill you remove the finger, the straw will not "fill".
there is also a "fuel rail" between these carbs, the black fitting the fuel flows into, and it ties all 4 carbs together to be fed by the single fuel hose.

if you are getting fuel from either "vent" hose attachment, the carb is over filling, and attention to the float level/float needles shutoff sealing is immediately called for... hydroloc is gonna follow shortly if not.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 22, 2019, 12:36:16 pm
Thanks MOB.  So best bet for me is to either keep draining the carbs and hoping it clears out some debris or taking them off and opening them up.  I'm not comfortable going inside a carb so if it comes to that I'll have to find a mechanic with gray hair that remembers what a carburetor is.
Hopefully multiple drainings work.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: SteveJ. on April 22, 2019, 02:35:04 pm
Thanks MOB.  So best bet for me is to either keep draining the carbs and hoping it clears out some debris or taking them off and opening them up.  I'm not comfortable going inside a carb so if it comes to that I'll have to find a mechanic with gray hair that remembers what a carburetor is.
Hopefully multiple drainings work.

Some good reading iif'n you haven't already:

https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/intake-and-exhaust

Lots of good reading and how to videos there. And he does have grey hair and knows his way around carbbies. He is in the process of moving so do keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Daytona_Mike on April 22, 2019, 03:49:53 pm
Hopefully multiple drainings work.
No .. that wont work.
Hopefull and drainings will not prevent hydrolock,. You MUST install oveflow tubes to prevent hydrolock. 
You have been given tons of  excellent advise. Please install overflow tubes. You can send  carbs out for a  rebuild or just the bowls but we recommend the full service which includes the overflow tubes.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 23, 2019, 03:59:52 pm
Tapping on the carbs and draining didn't work.  Looks like this weekend they'll be coming off and heading to SiSF.  (I'll check the rods before I send the carbs out.)  I just watched the video's about how to take them off and put them back on and think I can handle that.  I'll be buying a heat gun before the weekend work.  Thanks all for the advice.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 27, 2019, 11:01:45 pm
Guess who pulled his carbs today!  Your video is awesome SISF!  I didnt even need the heat gun.  Bit I do have some extra tubes in there.  I think it's my CA emissions stuff.  I'll look on the service manual tonight after dinner.  Going to check the floats tonight.  I did the bent rod resta and no problems with that or gas spitting out the spark plug holes.  I have some $$ issues right now so the florida spa is out of my price range.  😭  But now at least I know how to get them out when i need to. 
The hardest part was getting the throttle cables to disconnect after i got the carbs out. 
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 27, 2019, 11:13:52 pm
you are just on the tip of the ice berg...
and haven't gotten to the "hard part yet".

from someone with gray hair...
 :rotflmao:

Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Nosmo on April 28, 2019, 02:54:25 am
Guess who pulled his carbs today!  Your video is awesome SISF!  I didnt even need the heat gun.  Bit I do have some extra tubes in there.  I think it's my CA emissions stuff.  I'll look on the service manual tonight after dinner.  Going to check the floats tonight.  I did the bent rod resta and no problems with that or gas spitting out the spark plug holes.  I have some $$ issues right now so the florida spa is out of my price range.  😭  But now at least I know how to get them out when i need to. 
The hardest part was getting the throttle cables to disconnect after i got the carbs out.

Sorry to say, but the hardest part will be reconnecting them.   :(
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Bud on April 28, 2019, 09:16:56 am
Just remember to install the throttle cables before you install the carbs.  It can be done afterwards, but lots easier while they are out.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 28, 2019, 08:42:30 pm
pizza cake... either way, in or out...
 :rotflmao: :nananana: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 29, 2019, 12:45:53 am
Floats felt nice and springy and I pulled out the little doohickies that they push up to close up the fuel flow and nothing looked funky in there.  Put it all back together and I'll do the install tomorrow morning.  Pizza cake sounds tasty.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Nosmo on April 29, 2019, 04:40:46 am
pizza cake... either way, in or out...
 :rotflmao: :nananana: :rotflmao:

PIZZA CAKE!   MMMMM!  MMMM!  GOOD!!!   :great: :beerchug:

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Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: JPD on April 29, 2019, 11:38:03 am
Before you put them back in, test the floats by positioning the carbs at the aprox angle they set in the bike and fill them with fluid. Make sure that they don't leak. Easier to test than to remove again. It may help you find the one carb that is causing the problems.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 29, 2019, 02:40:11 pm
Omg the first one must have more grease and oil than my bike.
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: Shipple88 on April 30, 2019, 05:09:31 pm
She runs!!!!   No more leaking from the vent hose.  The throttle doesn't snap back anymore but I looked at a pic I took before and it doesn't look the same at the connections now so I'll work on those tomorrow.  Thanks for all the help guys!  If I run onto throttle problems I'll start digging through new posts.  Pizza Cake for all 🍕🎂
Title: Re: Prime Setting on C10 petcock
Post by: jettawreck on May 01, 2019, 11:21:54 am
Temporary victory (mood killer, I know) but you haven't "solved" the big issue nor protected the engine from future hydrolock death. The next time the needle/seats fail could go unnoticed and wreck the engine. Don't put it off. Get the overflow tubes installed.