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Offline James99

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Riding two up on 99 concours
« on: April 23, 2019, 03:20:45 pm »
Just wondering if the connie is capable of handling the weight of myself, my wife and gear. I'm guessing around 500 lbs.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2019, 08:27:49 pm »
I gave a quick look online but couldn't find the number... I think the capacity is 440 pounds. We ride with almost 100 pounds of stuff and we are right at the 440 pound number. At that weight we have had two rear tires develop problems on trips - both Avons. The bike handles OK in my opinion but braking and turning are compromised.
At 500 pounds you may be asking for trouble. You would want to get a rear tire that has a rating sufficient enough for that load. I currently run a Michelin - can't remember the specifics but it's a Gold Wing tire I've been told. It handles the weight and wears well but it's a hard compound tire that doesn't have great grip.
I don't think you'll find a motorcycle with a higher weight capacity - many have lower capacities than the C-10.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2019, 08:44:21 pm »
Folks have been riding 2 up with gear on the C-10 for years....
Not-a-problem...
But, I would suggest stiffening up the suspension a bit..
50 psi in the rear and new front spring. (or shorten the original front spring to increase force)

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2019, 12:30:10 am »
Folks have been riding 2 up with gear on the C-10 for years....
Not-a-problem...

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 01:50:12 am »
95% of my riding is 2 up. Aprox 350lb riders with gear. Side cases, tail rack and tank bag full. Not a problem.

But performance is subjective. What I find acceptable you might not. The only way to know is to give it a try.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2019, 01:50:45 am »
Sure wish I wasn't so fat.......lol

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 02:23:29 am »
95% of my riding is 2 up. Aprox 350lb riders with gear. Side cases, tail rack and tank bag full. Not a problem.

But performance is subjective. What I find acceptable you might not. The only way to know is to give it a try.

Pretty much the same with us. Never had any problems.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 11:15:44 am »
Don’t forget to increase the shock air pressure.
45-50 lbs. should be good to start.
If you find that too harsh back off a pound or
two at a time till it feels right but not less
than 40 lbs. for two-up.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2019, 11:48:30 am »
Yes a very good bike for two up however I would be upgrading the suspension to properly carry and handle that much weight. It not only adds to the fun of the ride but safety too.
You can buy a  Progressive 465  shock/spring for the rear and Sonic front straight weight  springs (and install Gold Emulators with the new front springs) I recommend  1.1KG  or 1.2 KG due to the weight that bike will be carrying.
This is all do-able by a backyard mechanic.. Sonic Straight weight springs are at the bottom of Murphs page. (do not buy the Progressive springs)
https://www.murphskits.com/index.php?cPath=1_97&osCsid=3DXgZrtEtHY5CjAkWwTkX1

http://www.racetech.com/html_files/emulatorgv.html
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2019, 02:41:02 am »
You are over the max allowed weight. My manual says max weight 200kg which is about 450lbs.

In Japan people don't weigh more than 150lbs which is how it should be. The Japanese have it right and that is why they live long and can be ninjas.

Just wondering if the connie is capable of handling the weight of myself, my wife and gear. I'm guessing around 500 lbs.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2019, 04:04:24 pm »
You are over the max allowed weight. My manual says max weight 200kg which is about 450lbs.

In Japan people don't weigh more than 150lbs which is how it should be. The Japanese have it right and that is why they live long and can be ninjas.

Just wondering if the connie is capable of handling the weight of myself, my wife and gear. I'm guessing around 500 lbs.

Um, yea, OK. I'll tell my 6' 4" brother he shouldn't weigh more than 150 lbs.

As a spot on average male 150 lbs would make me emaciated and unhealthy.

The Japanese are no paragons of health.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2019, 04:38:39 pm »
No need to get into gerontology or biology here. But I would encourage you to read this data and think about how it relates to health. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

Unless you and your brother at 6'4" can live as long and as healthy as the Japanese, and furthermore execute clean ninja flips, I would say that the Japanese are the paragon of health, cars, motorcycles, TVs, shipping tankers, skyscraper designs, and much, much more.

We should all learn something from them. At the least we will live a little longer to ride a little longer.

Um, yea, OK. I'll tell my 6' 4" brother he shouldn't weigh more than 150 lbs.

As a spot on average male 150 lbs would make me emaciated and unhealthy.

The Japanese are no paragons of health.
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2019, 08:47:25 pm »
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2019, 08:53:46 pm »
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2019, 12:26:30 am »
Getting back to 2-up riding..  Yes, a C-10 will do it!
For instance; A good friend of COG in England. {Boomer} is big/tall guy.
   {weighs over 300#} and has rode 2 up / plus gear for years.
I sent him a note to join this discussion...

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2019, 07:56:12 pm »
DC, I've read plenty, and plenty that I've read ignores basic biology of things like icosanoids. I've never read *anything* in current media that even mentions them.

Blanket claims like "everyone should weigh like this" are bollocks. Anything said after that is suspect.


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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2019, 02:59:48 am »
DC, I've read plenty, and plenty that I've read ignores basic biology of things like icosanoids. I've never read *anything* in current media that even mentions them.

Blanket claims like "everyone should weigh like this" are bollocks. Anything said after that is suspect.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2019, 05:04:55 am »
At 6'1" I can remember when I only weighed 185 lbs.  :??:



But I think TED would know about dual riding on a C10. Reading thru this so far my thought is loose 10lbs of gear and be at the upper limit for the bike.
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2019, 09:51:40 am »
The bike will do it and do it safely. Follow the advice of Connie Rider or Daytona Mike and stiffen or up-grade the suspension. Recognize that the additional weight will affect the handling and braking ability and ride accordingly.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2019, 11:05:05 am »
Rear shock pressure at 50 max and good front springs as mentioned is critical . Minimize your gear and you should be fine . Some tires are rated for more weight but our selections are limited .
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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2019, 02:52:01 pm »
Since the concours has been ridden all around the US usually by an older crowd who tend to be heavier... and as seen from all the posts here, it seems being slightly over the max wt limit is ok. Still not recommended.

And Nosmo, you are not generally considered obese but medically maybe. I am ~165 and at 5'10 I am considered a fattie. My doc says I need to be closer to 150lbs. She personally recommends 140lbs. Unfortunately, here in the US we all have a distorted view of what is considered normal.

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2019, 03:17:13 pm »
safety is all relative to speed and condition of equipment, in vietnam its normal to have 3-4 people and a couple of pigs and chickens on a 125cc moped, so if your not carving curves with pegs dragging and your bike is in reasonable condition you should have no problem with two average size 250 lb people on a c10

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Re: Riding two up on 99 concours
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2019, 08:35:56 pm »
Well I've ridden about 10k miles with Ella as pillion on my '89 C10.
I weighed 350lbs at the time and Ella was over 200lbs.
We did most of those miles with full luggage and a large toolbox in the trunk.

The only scary moment was on a tight hair-pin turn in the Eifel where the front wheel came up at 10mph and the bike headed straight for the bus that was coming down the hill. A dab of back brake, countersteer and throttle soon sorted that out. The bike took it all in it's stride apart from an occasional scrape from the centrestand going over speed-humps. Our record 2 up was 650 miles in one day.

To be fair I do have a dual Russell Daylong saddle, 1.2kg fork springs and a ZZR1200 shock.
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