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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2015, 01:25:18 am »
Hey Guys relax. I mean really now, after all he's a drummer!   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2015, 12:06:59 pm »
"after all he's a drummer!"
Help me out here.  I have no idea what this means.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2015, 12:33:06 pm »
"after all he's a drummer!"
Help me out here.  I have no idea what this means.

With no offense intended toward Drumstyx, there's an old musician's joke that might help:

How do the roadies know when the stage is level? The drummer is drooling out of both sides of his mouth.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2015, 12:59:48 pm »
 ;D ;D :D :D
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2015, 10:49:02 pm »
I'm a little late on this thread, and to be honest I did the free power mod before I ever started the bike so I can't tell you if it was "worth" anything, but I can tell you that an improperly grounded or a weak ground can and will cause all kinds of gremlins downstream. So I say do it, regardless of gain and think of it as preventative maintenance
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2015, 11:25:36 pm »
"after all he's a drummer!"
Help me out here.  I have no idea what this means.

With no offense intended toward Drumstyx, there's an old musician's joke that might help:

How do the roadies know when the stage is level? The drummer is drooling out of both sides of his mouth.

Got my start in music as a drummer, went to school for jazz saxophone. Always appreciate music jokes.

Regarding the mod, no question I'll do it, just managing expectations. Not necessarily looking for sportbike response, but the throttle response just seemed amazingly good in Steve's "Can your C10 do this?" video (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LZ4WbgiihI
) Not to mention that incredibly steady idle.

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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2015, 01:03:02 pm »
Well, ya gotta remember that Shoodaben has the benefit of my carb work, my cams, the free power mod, and meticulous maintenance.

The point of the video is that if you'll be mechanically attentive to your c-10, you'll be surprised at how well they will run. Steve
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2015, 02:28:35 pm »
  Yup, mine will do that low idle but it takes SiSF's cams , carb service and air box mod to do it. Also I don't idle at that rpm normally due to the possibility of low oil pressure at that rpm. My normal idle is 1100 rpm.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2015, 06:55:08 pm »
Ok let me stick my .02 cents in here. Yes the mod works. Its not a night vs. day difference but it improves the idle and start up for sure. There is no single magic bullet. Little mods like this combined with other improvements can and do make huge differences in performance and reliability. I have been
working to improve the performance of my C-10 ever since it got home from the dealership in 2002.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2015, 11:24:07 pm »
Sure, and most bike idle at about 12.8/ 12.9v, after the free power mod it's usually 14.3 /14.4. that's not insignificant, and worth what it costs  ;) Steve

I DISAGREE STEVE!!  :) At ~12.9 the charging system is just barely if at all charging the battery.....but at idle your mod supercharges your charging system. ~ 14.4 Vdc IS SIGNIFICANT AT IDLE which is why everyone says there no-more flickering lights & such. I didn't realize the difference was that significant. Don't know what steered you in that direction but you struck gold.  :beerchug: :great:
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2015, 04:44:59 pm »
This was the first "mod" I did because it was so simple to do. The bike seemed to start faster, especially when warm, the touch of the button, and vroom!  I have an electrical background and the mod makes sense and is very easy to perform. Watch Steve's video for all the steps.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2015, 11:39:41 pm »
Thread Jack:
With all this talk of the Free Power Mod, I just figured out why my C-10 will not run after adding stick coils.
No ground :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I removed the coils and didn't replace the ground.

I know return you to the previous discussion as I go hide my Dumb AXX in the corner.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2015, 10:46:04 pm »
Thread Jack:
With all this talk of the Free Power Mod, I just figured out why my C-10 will not run after adding stick coils.
No ground :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I removed the coils and didn't replace the ground.

I know return you to the previous discussion as I go hide my Dumb AXX in the corner.

Hey, good job on diagnosis. I like it when the solution is simple, easy, and free.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2015, 04:57:10 pm »
A little late but never too late to reply, I did the free power mod earlier in the season this year and it improved a lot of things for my old 86. The first thing I noticed were my lights were way brighter, then throttle response in the dead zone was better and it just seemed to run a tad bit smoother. Next season since I just put away my scoot I plan on redoing the mod again as I am never happy with my work unless it looks perfect. The first go I kind of just winged it on, the second time, I cleaned it up. Now I just plan on make it cleaner hiding wires a bit more and using better zip ties for the harness ones I replaced as the ones I have on there seem to be real brittle.
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2015, 06:02:13 pm »
the degree to how beneficial "Free power mod" is is directly related to how bad your bike's ground system is.

unless it fails completely a weak ground isn't one of those things that you are going to notice all the sudden.

I had no idea how bad my ground was until i fixed it.
In my case it helped a "lot"

it's also free, so the cost benefit ratio is off the chart. :great:

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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2015, 08:22:03 pm »
So I finally got around to measuring the resistances between the battery and the igniter (and accessory plugs, out of curiosity). It seems to be right around 0.2-0.3 ohms for both the igniter's ground (bottom left, if you're looking into the plug with the missing pin at the bottom right) and the accessory plug. Then of course, I touched my multimeter probes together, and what do I get? 0.2-0.3 ohms. So I'm pretty sure, at least on my bike, resistance is negligible.

Since doing the valves, replacing the air filter, and syncing the carbs (mostly, I'm about half an inch Hg shy, because I can't reach that middle screw!) and of course, adjusting the throttle cables, throttle response has improved dramatically.

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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2020, 05:19:18 pm »
This may come across as a stupid question but what size is the ground wire. Sorry I don't know anything about electrical

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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2020, 11:44:18 pm »
I used a 14 gauge stranded. I think the ground wire in the harness is 18 gauge.

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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2020, 02:31:49 am »
yup. i'm a firm believer in redundant grounds. made no difference on mine but its always better to have more than 1 ground, especially on older machines.  I think i used 16ga. at the back near the box? don't remember.  also ran one from the acc one (changed it to a double female bullet) under the fairing to the main front bolt at the neck for the fairing when i replaced the bolt with a shouldered stainless one a few years ago.  (and used a nylock nut for good measure)
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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2020, 12:56:11 pm »
Somebody needs to, or would you like to, disconnect the ground
wire at the coil. It's on the left coil and black/yellow. See if it
makes any difference in the way the bike starts and runs. I am
just curious. I would except I no longer had a C-10.

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Re: Free power mod; is it really all that?
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2020, 01:14:43 pm »
mine was broken when i got the bike, but it still ran well. one of the 1st things i fixed though.   
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