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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2018, 11:31:16 am »
 Do the hydrolock rod test. I read some of your past posts. your bike needs a valve adjustment. spark plugs, plug wires and caps, and the air filter / airbox serviced, along with the carb work. if you decide to not do any of those steps, then don't bother doing anything, it will be a waste of money. Just trying to make the point that there's more going on here than carb issues, but yeah, you have those, too. Steve
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2018, 02:35:56 pm »
Yep. I plan on doing all that.
And I looked into the drains and I like your design  so I'm sure I'll be sending you my bowls.

I already own a carb tune and color rune, and doing valve lash on this bike will be absolutely simple  :great:

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2018, 05:30:16 pm »
Some minor advice.  Don't forget to blow out the spark plug wells prior to spark plug removal.  I had a really bad experience with a large pile of dirt and grime falling into my #4 cylinder.
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2018, 11:45:25 pm »
Yep. I plan on doing all that.
And I looked into the drains and I like your design  so I'm sure I'll be sending you my bowls.

I already own a carb tune and color rune, and doing valve lash on this bike will be absolutely simple  :great:

Good plan, you'll also install Steve's 2MM jet kit, and adjust everything to his spec's and thank us later. A colortune would help you with the fine tuning; for most people it's a test ride after trimming the foam partially blocking the intake.

I was going to suggest all these goodies right away, but I knew SISF's advice would be to make sure the engine was sound first..

Good luck!
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2018, 06:02:08 am »
Good news everyone! As long as I did the process correctly, I only have a 1 or 2 mm variance between cylinder 1 (hydrolocked) and cylinder 4.
2 and 3 were dead nuts even.
I used to top lip of the cam cover, maybe for more accuracy I should pull the cover off and use the sealing surfaces..?

Here's my video

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2018, 12:52:05 pm »
Good news everyone! As long as I did the process correctly, I only have a 1 or 2 mm variance between cylinder 1 (hydrolocked) and cylinder 4.
2 and 3 were dead nuts even.
I used to top lip of the cam cover, maybe for more accuracy I should pull the cover off and use the sealing surfaces..?

Here's my video

https://youtu.be/2h9Y_bA2PQ8


  AHHH, I wouldn't call that good news. My advise from here would be that you have a lot of work to do, and stay off heavy throttle applications. If you're comfortable with an engine teardown,. I would replace the rod.  Steve
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2018, 02:54:39 pm »
I'll be taking off the cam cover to be sure. The video makes it look way worse than it is. I was hoping it was a variance in the machining of the cover.

I'll measure from the machined surface instead.

If I have to tear down, I really hope not.. I'm clueless about motorcycle and ATV engines n such with the transmission adjoined.

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2018, 03:06:04 pm »
I'll be taking off the cam cover to be sure. The video makes it look way worse than it is. I was hoping it was a variance in the machining of the cover.

I'll measure from the machined surface instead.

If I have to tear down, I really hope not.. I'm clueless about motorcycle and ATV engines n such with the transmission adjoined.

If a teardown is required I'd be looking for an used engine. Too bad it isn't #2 or 3, you would not have to split the case.

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2018, 03:43:38 pm »
If it comes to that, I might as well sell it.
I work so much that I don't really have the time to spend swapping engines.

If I still worked at the gm dealer I was at, I could do it in the shop while there was no work going on.

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2018, 04:45:33 pm »
Iff'n it'll run, you might just as well run it until it doesn't.



Do get the carb bowls fitted with the overflow tubes, though and you will like what the Shoodaben jet kit will do.
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2018, 04:47:18 pm »
Iff'n it'll run, you might just as well run it until it doesn't.



Do get the carb bowls fitted with the overflow tubes, though and you will like what the Shoodaben jet kit will do.

Haha, beat me to it.

Run it!
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2018, 04:54:43 pm »
Iff'n it'll run, you might just as well run it until it doesn't.



Do get the carb bowls fitted with the overflow tubes, though and you will like what the Shoodaben jet kit will do.

Haha, beat me to it.

Run it!

Yup. Seems to me some have put on quite a few miles with a bent rod. I guess I'd scale back on the full throttle to red line, though.
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2018, 09:14:42 pm »
I ride and drive like a grandpa... I shift this thing at like 3500

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2018, 01:23:46 pm »
In that case its a no brainer...run it!
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2018, 09:19:45 pm »
Finally dropped the order @ Murphs for the carb kit, plug and wire kit, and the valve adjustment gasket kit.

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2018, 11:31:39 pm »
Finally dropped the order @ Murphs for the carb kit, plug and wire kit, and the valve adjustment gasket kit.
carb kit?  hmmm..What are your plans for the carbs?  I wonder because you have the best carb guru person in your backyard and your not going to take advantage?
Ok then.
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2018, 01:26:55 am »
100 % agree with "carb guru in backyard " :great:
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2018, 02:38:20 am »
the gaskets and float needles. The weakest excuse for a kit I've ever seen. :great:

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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2018, 02:39:39 am »
I admit somethings are outta my realm, but if I can do it myself, I will.

I'm not the kinda guy that throws money at my project and lets someone else do the work for me. >:D

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2018, 11:52:28 am »

I'm not the kinda guy that throws money at my project and lets someone else do the work for me. >:D

  well, me either. Steve
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2018, 10:57:17 pm »
I admit somethings are outta my realm, but if I can do it myself, I will.

I'm not the kinda guy that throws money at my project and lets someone else do the work for me. >:D
Me neither but common sense has to prevail and unless you absolutely know what your doing in the CV carb world  world I suggest you not try. At least practice or learn on a second set and not  the carbs you depend on to  run your bike.  I do not know your skill set so please understand- I am speaking to those who are not intimately familiar with these carbs. 
 When it comes to the carbs on a C10 I have seen way to many people spend a lot of extra money to have the carbs repaired (again!) due to the owner trying to save a little money.
It is so easy to assemble wrong/ set up incorrectly and not have the precision tools/parts required to do the job correctly not to mention those who have  spraying carb cleaner into their carbs  and destroying   the diaphragms which are expensive to replace.  It is not worth the aggravation, time   and expenses which I have seen skyrocket because the owner wanted to save some money. In some cases they not only ruined the carbs- they ruined the engine too.

We are all  so lucky and appreciative to have Steve. You can be lucky too.  ;) or not.

Now with all that said and your willing and you have the time to read read read  and your still wanting to do your carbs (plus all the other things your were told to do) you need to buy Steve's jet kit. This is mandatory as it will correct issues and improve performance over stock jetting.

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2018, 12:13:02 am »
My other bike is a 79 xs1000 with CV mikuni carbs. I'm familiar, not an expert, but familiar.

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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2018, 02:01:52 am »
More power to you, Radar. 

I'm probably going to offend some people with my next statement but so be it.  I get the feeling that the very same people who criticize the younger generation for being "lazy" and "unskilled" and "unwilling to do their own work" are the same people who might tell you not to do your own work.  Personally, there is nothing better than the satisfaction of knowing that you did all your own work.  I admire the skills and abilities of Steve and would have no problem referring to him as a Guru.  However, I'm also frugal (cheap, really) and if I can do it myself, I will do it myself and learn from my mistakes, even if they are costly.  At the same time, I don't have the same skill set nor do I have all the tools and therefore sent my float bowls to Steve for the overflow tubes.  Then I tore the entire carb apart and cleaned every square centimeter until everything shined like it was brand new.

If you have the ambition, desire, and confidence to do it yourself, then go for it!  Sure, you might make some mistakes but who hasn't?  As long as you are willing to accept the risk and the potential cost, then keep on wrenching.


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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2018, 02:20:58 am »
I always recommend people to DIY with SISF's jet kit and overflow bowls, if they insist on doing everything else. Just send him your bowls and pick up the 2MM Jet Kit and follow the install instructions. You don't get the added benefit of an expert cleaning and rebuilding the carbs, but you do get the performance. Assuming you get them clean, and be sure to get the float heights correct.
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Re: Radar's hydrolocked adventure!
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2018, 04:13:14 pm »
I say at a minimum get the bowls. Do the rest yourself if you like.

If you muddy up then send the whole rack to steve and he will fix it. he spends a lot of time fixing others' mess ups anyway.