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Title: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 27, 2017, 03:58:04 pm
This could be an OIL and Tire thread, so bail out now if you want to  :beerchug:


So for my upcoming 2500 mile weekend ride I plan on 2 things that will be a bit out of the norm, keep in mind I live in Central Mississippi so always hot and humid, with more hot and high temps that make it feel....well HOT. I am riding a loop basically up and around Lake Erie so about 1/4 of my time it should be not hot :o but for the rest of this year and most of my riding it will be hot. Also I ride at least 80 miles every day of the week and then pleasure ride on weekends and take other trips,...blah blah blah, I get lots of miles.

Now with the afore mentioned knowledge I have a crazy plan, sort of at least to some possibly, I am putting a car tire on the bike to get the mileage I want and since I need a new one before my upcoming trip. Also gonna replace the wheel bearings in the back and brake pads while I am back there, in addition it is time to change the oil. about 7K miles ago I put AMSOIL 10w40 and a new filter in it so time to change that as well, however this time I am gonna put Castroil GTX 20w50 in and give it a try for a couple months of the hottest part of the summer down here and then switch back to 10w40 as it drops back to 80's and under for temperatures and it will be time to change it again anyway by then.

So the reason for this post is to give results of this experiment, what data points should I get, I am thinking

MPG current vs After
RPM at 50 MPH current vs After
RPM at 70 MPH current vs After

and not sure what else would be useful? But those are the only changes I am making, let me know what ya think?
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Redbarron on July 27, 2017, 04:40:56 pm
Gastrol GTX 20w50 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

You might as well pump in straight un-refined crude oil.  High sulfated ash content and low flash point ect. ect.

Also it is (NOT) JASO MA-2 spec and will contaminate your clutch friction material.

Do your self a favor and do your technical research before using any oil.

Good Luck on your trip, stay safe and have fun :beerchug: :)
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Jim on July 27, 2017, 05:32:19 pm
I personally don't believe there would be a need for 20W-50 on water cooled motorcycles.  And as previously mentioned, stay away from any motor oil which claims "low friction" or "higher fuel mileage" formula.  Generally, motor oils for diesel engines will have a higher zinc content and won't have the low friction additives.  The JASO MA is good to look for but usually comes with a higher price.  Just because a motor oil meets a certain spec, it doesn't mean the manufacture has to have it certified against that spec.  For example, check out this Mobil 1 spec sheet and you'll see the Mobil 1 Turbo/Truck/Diesel (which I'm using) also has about the same amount of Phosphorus and Zinc as the 10W-40 motorcycle racing 4T oil (which I used to use).

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide.pdf
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Daytona_Mike on July 27, 2017, 05:36:09 pm
Castroil GTX 20w50  :-[ :-[  bad idea unless you want to ruin your clutch plates on purpose.

Stay with the Amsoil.  That is good oil and stay with 10w40.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 27, 2017, 06:01:20 pm
I do see Castrol has 4T made for motorcycles now in 20w50 so may try that instead. Have used the GTX20w50 for desert racing ATV's and had really good results and never an issue with the clutch, but that is just me. I did crash several times, but if you aint crashing you aint riding fast enough when it comes to desert racing. :motonoises:
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: RWulf on July 27, 2017, 06:55:38 pm
If your going to put a CAR TIRE on your bike go ahead and use
any oil you want. You probably won't be around long enough to
see any engine damage.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 27, 2017, 07:12:47 pm
If your going to put a CAR TIRE on your bike go ahead and use
any oil you want. You probably won't be around long enough to
see any engine damage.

good one!!
 :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: fred-houston on July 27, 2017, 07:57:59 pm
I think you are way overthinking this. 

The trip you are describing, I would just change the oil before I go, with the 10W40 semi synthetic oil I normally run, and then change it when I get back. 

I took my wing to Alaska and back with no oil change during the trip and ending up having over 130,000 miles on it when I sold it without have any sign of any engine issues.  I did a couple of other trips up to Alaska, on different bikes and never changed oil during the trip, and never had any oil related issues while I owned the bikes.   

I regularly do 5 to 6 thousand mile trips and I have never changed oil on any of the trips.

If you are using a motorcycle grade oil, the bike won't have any issues, if your bike uses some oil, take a quart and check it regularly.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 27, 2017, 07:59:50 pm
I've never blown up an engine, or had to replace a clutch, ever, from using Castrol GT oils, for almost 40 years...

Just my opinion....and experience...

To appease the "use this oil" crowd, just use the "T" series stuff, so you don't get crucified... its JASO and MA2 rated.
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/3B00F72E98F29A108025796400640657/ (https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/3B00F72E98F29A108025796400640657/)$File/BPXE-8ELLFM_0.pdf

As far as vicosity, I agree you don't need a 50w in the east, but I use 20w50 in my air cooled KZ, and have no problems.

Oh, and temps up.here in Ohio this year have been pretty toasty, we have been in a 85* zone for a few weeks, and it doesn't look like it will end soon...
Stop and gotraffic around the great lakes is common, so, use what you feel is appropriate.

As for documenting stuff, like rpm vs road speed... that is a constant, it doesn't change by oil differences...
Acceleration times to speed tho, are effected.

I really don't get all this Castrol Bashing stuff...thes "opinions" seem to surface, but I don't see any proof of the results.... :-[

I really hate oil threads.. :rotflmao:


https://www.ducatimeccanica.com/oil.html (https://www.ducatimeccanica.com/oil.html)

I'm still curious about which oil Andrew Byrd was using in his C14..... when his clutch fried like bacon during the Iron Butt this year...
 :) :'( :??:
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 27, 2017, 08:30:45 pm
As for documenting stuff, like rpm vs road speed... that is a constant, it doesn't change by oil differences...
Acceleration times to speed tho, are effected.


I am changing the constant, the CT is taller, actually a lot taller than stock. The Dunlop E4 I have is a 150/80x16 the CT is a 175R16 so I should drop RPMS. When I swapped to this tire on my wing which was a 160/80x16 it decreased my cruising rpm by 400 revs, I am hoping for similar or better reduction on the C10.

But once changed then yes, it will be constant again unless I change to something else, I believe you may have though I meant changing the oil would affect those.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 27, 2017, 08:34:57 pm
I think you are way overthinking this. 

The trip you are describing, I would just change the oil before I go, with the 10W40 semi synthetic oil I normally run, and then change it when I get back. 

I took my wing to Alaska and back with no oil change during the trip and ending up having over 130,000 miles on it when I sold it without have any sign of any engine issues.  I did a couple of other trips up to Alaska, on different bikes and never changed oil during the trip, and never had any oil related issues while I owned the bikes.   

I regularly do 5 to 6 thousand mile trips and I have never changed oil on any of the trips.

If you are using a motorcycle grade oil, the bike won't have any issues, if your bike uses some oil, take a quart and check it regularly.

Agree, I am switching brand and viscosity because of the heat I ride in, not due to the trip. I change oil every 5 to 8 thousand miles depending on what I have going at the time, could be sooner or later if I am on the road.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: fred-houston on July 27, 2017, 09:38:27 pm
I think you are way overthinking this. 

The trip you are describing, I would just change the oil before I go, with the 10W40 semi synthetic oil I normally run, and then change it when I get back. 

I took my wing to Alaska and back with no oil change during the trip and ending up having over 130,000 miles on it when I sold it without have any sign of any engine issues.  I did a couple of other trips up to Alaska, on different bikes and never changed oil during the trip, and never had any oil related issues while I owned the bikes.   

I regularly do 5 to 6 thousand mile trips and I have never changed oil on any of the trips.

If you are using a motorcycle grade oil, the bike won't have any issues, if your bike uses some oil, take a quart and check it regularly.

Agree, I am switching brand and viscosity because of the heat I ride in, not due to the trip. I change oil every 5 to 8 thousand miles depending on what I have going at the time, could be sooner or later if I am on the road.

I ride in the Houston, Texas area, so I don't think it is any hotter where you are at than here.  I still use 10W40 in all my bikes, and in over 30 years of riding down here, have never had an oil related issue on any bike I have owned.  I usually change mine between 3 and 4 thousand miles, unless I am on a road trip. 
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: WillyP on July 27, 2017, 09:55:45 pm
You might feel more hot because of the humidity, but the bike doesn't rely on evaporative cooling, so no matter how humid it is, the bike feels the actual temp. No need for stressing the oil pump trying to pump too-thick oil through passages designed for a lighter oil. Contrary to popular belief, a thicker oil does not lubricate better. Unless it is so hot the oil is breaking down, you are better off sticking to the oil the manufacturer designed the motor to use.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 28, 2017, 12:18:05 am
it is recomended, my Clymer manual lists 10W-40, 10W-50 20w-40 or 20W-50, so it in spec.

20W-50 is for 32 degrees and up
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on July 28, 2017, 01:12:07 am
I've run automotive oil before and never hurt clutch plates or anything.  I'd say run what you want and forget about what nay-sayers tell you.   :nananana:

what CT are you going to use?  I want to put one on my C10 that I have a sidecar rig on.  it won't be seeing any leaning.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 28, 2017, 01:44:10 am
https://www.universaltire.com/175r16-austone-taxi-black.html (https://www.universaltire.com/175r16-austone-taxi-black.html)

Austone Taxi Tire
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Uncle Rob on July 28, 2017, 01:45:30 am
While on the road, my C10 never gets to above 1/3 of the temp gauge in central Florida summer.  The only time is gets above that is in slow traffic.  You get better mileage with lighter weight oils.  Better millage means less friction and heat.  As long as it will support the bearings, I would go with the manufacture's thinnest recommendation in synthetic.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 28, 2017, 02:27:11 pm
So I made note today of some data:

MPG worst 36 best 46, AVG 40.2 (I track this using an app on my phone with every fill up)
55MPH top gear 3400 RPM
80MPH top gear 5000 RPM

Think I will have time to swap on the new tire this weekend so will post the RPM changes next week.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on July 28, 2017, 06:14:09 pm
Let me know how it fits!
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: WillyP on July 29, 2017, 01:29:58 am
I've run automotive oil before and never hurt clutch plates or anything.  I'd say run what you want and forget about what nay-sayers tell you.   :nananana:
I agree, though nobody said not to use car oil. I use truck oil myself. ;) If 20/50 makes you happy, go right ahead.
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what CT are you going to use?  I want to put one on my C10 that I have a sidecar rig on.  it won't be seeing any leaning.
Ok enough about oil.  >:(
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Mettler1 on July 29, 2017, 01:57:14 am

   Well OK but my oil is still better than your oil!! :nananana:
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on July 29, 2017, 02:15:15 am
I've run automotive oil before and never hurt clutch plates or anything.  I'd say run what you want and forget about what nay-sayers tell you.   :nananana:
I agree, though nobody said not to use car oil. I use truck oil myself. ;) If 20/50 makes you happy, go right ahead.
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what CT are you going to use?  I want to put one on my C10 that I have a sidecar rig on.  it won't be seeing any leaning.
Ok enough about oil.  >:(

that's a really good point....a thread about oil AND car tires.  I'm in heaven!   :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on July 29, 2017, 08:42:54 am
Gastrol GTX 20w50 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

You might as well pump in straight un-refined crude oil.  High sulfated ash content and low flash point ect. ect.


This ^^^^

 When I read that you were going to take out a synthetic oil with a high flash point, and replace it with a conventional oil with a lower flash point in hopes of increasing the ability to withstand heat, well that didn't make alot of sense to me.As a professional engine builder for 30+ years, I know the difference between good oils and cheap oils. Castrol GTX was areally good oil 40 years ago, in today's world with stuff like mobil 1 around, not so much. BTW, I run mobil 1 turbo diesel in my bikes. Steve

Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Mettler1 on July 29, 2017, 02:23:35 pm
Gastrol GTX 20w50 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))





BTW, I run mobil 1 turbo diesel in my bikes. Steve

     That's good enough for me!!  :)
    I'm on my way out the door to git me some!!
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Bocajnala on July 31, 2017, 03:23:05 am
I want more info on the car tire. I've been considering doing this and I'm close to a tire change... will it mount right up without changing anything??
-Jake
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on July 31, 2017, 12:59:14 pm
Sorry was gonna put it on last night but could not find the key to my storage shed, dang kids!!! I have my cherry picker in there and I was gonna use that to lift the back of the bike up to make it easy to get the wheel out and back in, but now gonna wait till this coming weekend and do it, either I will find the key of have a buddy come over and lend me had to hold the bike while it's on the jack.

I have seen a picture of this tire on a C10 and I don't think there will be any need to modify anything, but will find out and let yall know.....not sure how to put up pics since photobucket got greedy but will take them anyway.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 01, 2017, 03:42:06 am
Rpm dropped 500 at cruise speed so now turning 4500 at 80, and only 3000 at 55.

Tire was easy to swap out but did require some minor  clearancing at the front corners of the swing arm, thought I had enough but while riding it left a small mark on the left outer edge of the tire so just went back in and did a little more grinding so should be good now I hope. I would rather try a couple times and take a litte at a time, the tire is fine and the rub spot will wear away quickly.

First impressions I love it, really did not feel a big differance at all, runs smooth and steady with no lip roll or harsh transition at all. Think I made the right choice for me.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 03, 2017, 02:42:15 pm
I made my choice, Castrol Actevo X-TRA Semi-Synthetic 4T Engine Oil 20w50 and a K&N oil filter. On order from Revzilla so be changing it next week.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 03, 2017, 05:10:13 pm
Rpm dropped 500 at cruise speed so now turning 4500 at 80, and only 3000 at 55.

Tire was easy to swap out but did require some minor  clearancing at the front corners of the swing arm, thought I had enough but while riding it left a small mark on the left outer edge of the tire so just went back in and did a little more grinding so should be good now I hope. I would rather try a couple times and take a litte at a time, the tire is fine and the rub spot will wear away quickly.

First impressions I love it, really did not feel a big differance at all, runs smooth and steady with no lip roll or harsh transition at all. Think I made the right choice for me.

What air pressure did you put in it and can you post some pics?  I'd like to see how the clearances around the swingarm are.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 03, 2017, 05:11:06 pm
I made my choice, Castrol Actevo X-TRA Semi-Synthetic 4T Engine Oil 20w50 and a K&N oil filter. On order from Revzilla so be changing it next week.

 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I can't believe you decided to go with THAT!

 :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 03, 2017, 05:28:47 pm
What air pressure did you put in it and can you post some pics?  I'd like to see how the clearances around the swingarm are.

Right now I am running 38.5, max pressure on this tire is 55 but will try a few different pressures till I find what I like. As for pics I sent you a PM. Photobucket has screwed us, and I have not had time to find a free replacement or figure out how to use one yet.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 03, 2017, 05:38:43 pm
:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I can't believe you decided to go with THAT!

 :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

Well I have had good luck with Castrol, used in all my engines for long time. I used it in a ATV i desert raced and I screwed up at the first ever race I did and when I changed the oil the night before I did not tighten the drain bolt. Well it came out about 2 miles into a 25 mile loop, that is when I noticed my foot kept slipping off the peg but didn't know why at the time. Finished the loop hit the pit and fueled up and took off again, only made it about 5 miles and it shut down on me. I figured out what happened put a plug back in and put new oil in it just to try and fire it up and it ran fine, pulled the cam cover off and found some bad scoring on it so had to put a new cam in but after that ran it 2 more seasons with only regular maintenance, no clutch issues or problems at all. When I tore it down to bore it out and stroke it for more CC's and speed all the bearings looked great.

After all that I was sold on Castrol, but that is just my experience to date.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Bud on August 03, 2017, 05:44:07 pm
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Photobucket has screwed us, and I have not had time to find a free replacement or figure out how to use one yet.

Just click on attachments and other options and attach a pic just like you would if you were emailing it to someone.  Easy peasy. :)
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 03, 2017, 10:43:32 pm
I made my choice, Castrol Actevo X-TRA Semi-Synthetic 4T Engine Oil 20w50 and a K&N oil filter. On order from Revzilla so be changing it next week.

I don't think you will have any issue...whatsoever..... :great:

I've got 5 qts of RS 4T, 10/40 and same filter (well, kn 303 for my C14) sitting on the seat of my bike right now, waiting for me to use....

Only issue I see,.is being patiant for 10k miles, to see the results... I will change a filter after 6k, for examination, and giggles....
Have a great ride...
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: The Dude on August 04, 2017, 04:02:46 am
I cannot imagine putting a car tire on a bike.  If you don't enjoy the curves enough that a pre-flat-spotted tire tire sounds like a good idea, you might as well take the car.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 04, 2017, 12:22:25 pm
Didn't say I don't enjoy them, just said I don't hit them all hard or scrape pegs.

After about 300 miles on it so far it actually handles about the same as the E4 I took off, it seems to have better grip for sure, but the feel is really close in curves and lean. It has no harsh transition at all feels just as smooth as the Dunlop, not saying it's for everybody but it sure works for me and ho I ride.

I know it's no use and I am not even trying to convert anyone just giving my experience with it for those who may be interested. Heck there are people out there who still buy and drive Fords!!!
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 04, 2017, 03:40:14 pm
...... Heck there are people out there who still buy and drive Fords!!!

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 04, 2017, 03:59:32 pm
...... Heck there are people out there who still buy and drive Fords!!!

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I know right!! At least I am not totally crazy I have always driven Chevy's :great:
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Bocajnala on August 06, 2017, 02:26:11 am
I'm gonna give the car tire a try as well. I'll get a post up when I do. I've ridden a Goldwing with a CT set up and it was fine.
-Jake
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: KellyfromVA on August 06, 2017, 09:42:19 am

Now with the afore mentioned knowledge I have a crazy plan, sort of at least to some possibly, I am putting a car tire on the bike to get the mileage I want and since I need a new one before my upcoming trip.

Nobody asked, so I'll stick my virtual hand up first: Assuming a car tire would fit, why would you think this would be some sort of advantage? 

The sidewalls of car tires are designed to keep the tire vertical.  Turning at speed in a car actually turns the tire into the corner, whereas a motorcycle tire changes the angle of the tire into the corner.  It's for these reasons, motorcycle tires are designed with the tread wrapped around the edges of the tire to account for cornering.  Trying to lean a car tire would significantly reduce the contact patch to the pavement as you try to force the tire to lean, essentially tipping the horizontal patch up on it's edge.  With a car tire, not only would you lose your ability to quickly corner in avoidance situations, any sort of corner would require a great deal of extra effort to lean the bike.  (which is how you corner)

If you've ever watched drag racing motorcycles, they use essentially special automotive racing slicks to go in a straight line, keeping the bike vertical down the track.  Watch when they get to the end of the track to turn into the finish area.  The rider has to lean their body WAY over to get the bike to turn.  I wouldn't think that would be conducive, let alone safe, in normal street riding.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 06, 2017, 07:00:17 pm
 :rotflmao: :-X :popcorncouple: :popcorncouple: :popcorncouple: :popcorn:
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 07, 2017, 01:45:21 am

Now with the afore mentioned knowledge I have a crazy plan, sort of at least to some possibly, I am putting a car tire on the bike to get the mileage I want and since I need a new one before my upcoming trip.

Nobody asked, so I'll stick my virtual hand up first: Assuming a car tire would fit, why would you think this would be some sort of advantage? 

The sidewalls of car tires are designed to keep the tire vertical.  Turning at speed in a car actually turns the tire into the corner, whereas a motorcycle tire changes the angle of the tire into the corner.  It's for these reasons, motorcycle tires are designed with the tread wrapped around the edges of the tire to account for cornering.  Trying to lean a car tire would significantly reduce the contact patch to the pavement as you try to force the tire to lean, essentially tipping the horizontal patch up on it's edge.  With a car tire, not only would you lose your ability to quickly corner in avoidance situations, any sort of corner would require a great deal of extra effort to lean the bike.  (which is how you corner)

If you've ever watched drag racing motorcycles, they use essentially special automotive racing slicks to go in a straight line, keeping the bike vertical down the track.  Watch when they get to the end of the track to turn into the finish area.  The rider has to lean their body WAY over to get the bike to turn.  I wouldn't think that would be conducive, let alone safe, in normal street riding.

Cause I am just batshit crazy. I wont argue the physics and such, that has been done to death and I am not a tire expert anyway. But I can say it works just fine, have ridden thousands of miles on the wing with one and have a little over 400 miles with the C10 on a car tire and it performs perfectly so far.

Not sure on Avg MPGs yet but last 2 tanks of riding were 43.11 and 42.66 MPG so in fact it seems to have improved by about 2mpg by reducing the RPM . So far this is a big win.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Nosmo on August 07, 2017, 02:37:32 am
Using car tires on motorcycles is known as "going to the dark side".  Over on www.stromtrooper.com (http://www.stromtrooper.com) it is a very common thread/discussion.  Many, many people do it for years and man thousands of miles on many types of bikes with great success.  I have no opinion as I have not tried it, but it is evidently not the instant death that some people predict.

I recently sold my old 1990 Toyota 4x4 truck with the 3.0 V6 engine that went 361,000 miles (and still going string) on Castrol GTX straight 30 wt. year-round, changed every 3,000 miles (+/- 1000 or so). I had the valve covers off at around 280,000 to change out the gaskets and the cams looked like they had just been polished,  absolutely no wear evident there.

You results will vary.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: KellyfromVA on August 07, 2017, 09:51:10 am



Cause I am just batshit crazy. I wont argue the physics and such, that has been done to death and I am not a tire expert anyway. But I can say it works just fine, have ridden thousands of miles on the wing with one and have a little over 400 miles with the C10 on a car tire and it performs perfectly so far.

Not sure on Avg MPGs yet but last 2 tanks of riding were 43.11 and 42.66 MPG so in fact it seems to have improved by about 2mpg by reducing the RPM . So far this is a big win.

Depending on how you ride and at what speed, your mileage numbers seem to be pretty typical with what these bikes run.  I'm still not clear as to the goal of operating your bike with a tire type other than what a motorcycle would use.  Is it mainly an attempt to get better fuel economy?  Longer tire longevity?  Using a less expensive tire?  Cheating the Grim Reaper?
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 07, 2017, 10:27:50 am
main goal is longer tire life,  and and better ride quality. I ride daily to commute so go through tires fast, I average 30 to 40K miles a year and when I decide to take a trip it sucks when I have to change a tire before its done because it wont last for a trip. I do a ton of slab riding, prolly 90% of my riding so believe it or not the car tire rides better. As for milage I average 40 over all, but now will average 42 I think so just a bonus. Purchase price is about the same $180 delivered with balance beads included, but this should last about 3 motorcycle tires worth so comes out way cheaper. Better traction in all conditions and can be patched or pluged if I pick up a nail without any worry.

For me and how I ride, and what I want and like this is the perfect tire.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: KellyfromVA on August 07, 2017, 12:25:23 pm
Interesting.  Would you be able to post some photos of the installation?  Not that I'd personally even consider trying this, I am interested in how all the clearances worked.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 07, 2017, 12:48:34 pm
I will try again, I did from my phone but would not let me so will put them on my computer and tray later today. It is tight and required some grinding on the swingarm at the front edge on the left and right but not much.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 07, 2017, 01:54:47 pm
here's some that WW sent to me....
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 07, 2017, 01:55:42 pm
more
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 07, 2017, 02:04:43 pm
that's awesome thank you!!

I the shiny spots on the swing arm is the only places that needed clearance, I did go in for a second round of grinding as I didn't take enough off the first time to allow for tire growth at highway speed. As you can imagine it did not require much additional at all.

The tire went on the stock rim with no issues and goes in place without having to air down or anything, and there really is no difference in the feel when leaning, smooth from upright to full normal lean and input to make it lean is exactly the same as it was before.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 08, 2017, 03:50:35 pm
Dang dog!!!!! >:(

Well had a bit of back issues during the process of putting on my new wind deflector so once complete I did not clean up the garage and left the box of stuff on the floor. Later that night went out to take the bike off the center stand and pull it forward so I could put the door down and noticed the box on it's side. I figured the kids knocked it over to get the large bubble cushions out to pop them since those were gone, then looked closer and noticed my new oil filter was not in the box. Looked around to no avail and then thought about the dog so looked in the yard and see torn up box and plastic so walked over and yep K&N oil filter nawed on and in the dirt, both O-rings chewed in half.....Dog is still alive but only because my back was hurting.

So the oil change will have to wait a few days for the new filter to come in.......
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Kelly E on August 08, 2017, 09:48:18 pm
Dang dog!!!!! >:(

Well had a bit of back issues during the process of putting on my new wind deflector so once complete I did not clean up the garage and left the box of stuff on the floor. Later that night went out to take the bike off the center stand and pull it forward so I could put the door down and noticed the box on it's side. I figured the kids knocked it over to get the large bubble cushions out to pop them since those were gone, then looked closer and noticed my new oil filter was not in the box. Looked around to no avail and then thought about the dog so looked in the yard and see torn up box and plastic so walked over and yep K&N oil filter nawed on and in the dirt, both O-rings chewed in half.....Dog is still alive but only because my back was hurting.

So the oil change will have to wait a few days for the new filter to come in.......

Yea sure, the dog ate your o-rings. They'll never buy that excuse. ;D
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 09, 2017, 01:41:51 pm
I have a two year old at home that does the same thing!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Classvino on August 09, 2017, 06:05:33 pm
I have a two year old at home that does the same thing!   :D :D :D

Dog?
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Classvino on August 09, 2017, 06:07:57 pm
...PICS...

The height is a lot different, but I expected the car tire to have "squarer" edges...   Doesn't look as bad profile-wise as I thought it would...

Jamie
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Redbarron on August 10, 2017, 04:51:33 pm
WIX filter found at most Napa stores and Shell Rotella 15W40 you'r out $25.00

Regarding the car tire HD guys have been doing that since the beginning of time with no problems.

Oh and a Dunlop 401 rear can be had for under $100.00

Happy trails man have fun stay safe.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Sport Rider on August 10, 2017, 07:16:52 pm
I have a two year old at home that does the same thing!   :D :D :D

Dog?

no....granddaughter.   :))
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 11, 2017, 04:58:38 pm
Anybody want a free dog??

Got my 3rd qt of oil and my new filter and a pair of Sidi boots, UPS delivered before I got home and the dog opened the box with the oil in it and had it laying in the yard, luckily the bottle was not punctured. I guess she got bored with it and started to try and open the big box with the filter and boots but only got a corner torn off. Guess I better put a box on the porch for packages to keep the dog out of stuff.

Have to send the boots back cause the don't fit, I wear a 10.5 or 11 most of the time but seems I need an 11.5 in Sidi. Already ordered a new pair so hope they come in before my trip next weekend, and now at least I can change the oil this weekend.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 11, 2017, 05:25:22 pm
Anybody want a free dog??

Got my 3rd qt of oil and my new filter and a pair of Sidi boots, UPS delivered before I got home and the dog opened the box with the oil in it and had it laying in the yard, luckily the bottle was not punctured. I guess she got bored with it and started to try and open the big box with the filter and boots but only got a corner torn off. Guess I better put a box on the porch for packages to keep the dog out of stuff.

Have to send the boots back cause the don't fit, I wear a 10.5 or 11 most of the time but seems I need an 11.5 in Sidi. Already ordered a new pair so hope they come in before my trip next weekend, and now at least I can change the oil this weekend.

Gotta lova an inquisitive dog...... :nananana: :rotflmao:
About 15 years ago, when my dog was an overgrown puppy..(.like almost a year old), I ordered some really nice gortex slip on boots from Sportsmans Guide...
Most comfortable boots I ever had... and super deal on price.... got to wear them 4 days... and woke up hearing the dog "horking" up something.... yep... shey ate almost half the left boot.... sweeet... now I have one perfect boot, and 1/4 of a not perfect one....  because I liked the boots soo much, and price was sooooo low... I ordered 2 pairs more.... and tossed the good boot in the closet....  also never left those boots where puppy could chew them again... damned beagle/springer mix dog....  about 2 monthes later, out on a ride, on my KZ, I encounterd some sand in a bad section of road, and "dabbed my right foot" down to prevent going horizontal... man that hurt, and I had ripped the sole clean off that boot... when I got home, and iced up my ankle, I started laughing and remembered I had a spare boot... and asked my wife to grab it outta the closet......
 :-\ :-[ :-[ :-[ :truce:

She looked at me, and I knew what she was going to say before she opened her mouth...."I tossed that out last week, couldn't see any reason to save it....."

DOHHHHHHHHHH :-X

Lesson learned.... :rotflmao:
When I bought my M2R gortex MC boots from Iron Pony, on clearance... the day I got them and found I reallllly liked them, I ordered a second pair...
When she started squawking about them when they arrived, all I had to do was give her the "stink eye", and that was done....

Now she buys 2 pairs whenever she finds comfy shoes....also. :beerchug: :great:
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 14, 2017, 02:59:32 pm
Great Story Man Of Blues :beerchug:

Well got the oil changed and dumped in the 3 qts of 20w50, now the engine barley turns over and I cant get it to go above 800RPM :nananana:

Got about 200 miles on it so far and runs like a champ, cant hear any difference or feel any difference so I guess time will tell. Actually just what I expected, however I think for the next couple months it will do the engine good until the temps cool down and at that point I will swap down to 10w40.

Good news with the tire though, being taller and the subsequent drop in RPM's at cruising speed I have not had a tank of gas under 41MPG, I am thinking after this trip I will be safe to say my MPG's went up by 2-3 for the average. Looking forward to my 18hr ride on Friday!!!
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Mike on August 14, 2017, 07:10:13 pm
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Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 14, 2017, 08:34:32 pm
Great Story Man Of Blues :beerchug:

Well got the oil changed and dumped in the 3 qts of 20w50, now the engine barley turns over and I cant get it to go above 800RPM :nananana:

Got about 200 miles on it so far and runs like a champ, cant hear any difference or feel any difference so I guess time will tell. Actually just what I expected, however I think for the next couple months it will do the engine good until the temps cool down and at that point I will swap down to 10w40.

Good news with the tire though, being taller and the subsequent drop in RPM's at cruising speed I have not had a tank of gas under 41MPG, I am thinking after this trip I will be safe to say my MPG's went up by 2-3 for the average. Looking forward to my 18hr ride on Friday!!!

Just run that oil and don't worry about it for 8k miles...where you live, that 20w ain't a big deal.... seriously....

But.....
Put the bike on the centerstand, let it sit overnight, and look at the sightglass... then add the additional 5.5 fluid oz. It needs... to be correct, and bring it to the middle of the window... just saying....
 ;)
That's based on completely draining using both drain bolts, and a new filter... by the way.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 22, 2017, 03:12:35 pm
Trip was 2667 miles, and have to sat the tire performed absolutely flawless, up hill down hill dirt road wet dry, straight or mountain curves it just worked perfect.

The oil was still sitting at the same level as when I left and never had a single issue with shifts or clutch feel. I think I am calling this experiment a success.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 24, 2017, 02:42:20 pm
Just an update on the tire, I have a hair over 4K miles on it now and as expected it still look like it did when I put it on, I am hoping for around 30K before I need to replace it so maybe it will last till January.
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 24, 2017, 08:11:20 pm
If you get 30k out of the tire, smile... :great:

Just want to mention tho, those of us that change tires every 6k, also lub the rear hub splines... and trying to push 30k without doing that, is not a good idea....
Just mentioning it....
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Mettler1 on August 24, 2017, 09:59:33 pm
If you get 30k out of the tire, smile... :great:

Just want to mention tho, those of us that change tires every 6k, also lub the rear hub splines... and trying to push 30k without doing that, is not a good idea....
Just mentioning it....

   What Man of Blues said!!  Lube the rear wheel splines with Moly 60 lube. If the splines wear out you ain't going anywhere!! >:(
Title: Re: sp-OIL-er Alert
Post by: Warwgn on August 24, 2017, 11:02:44 pm
I lubed it when I put it on and will do it at 15K or sooner.