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Timing opinion needed
« on: July 07, 2019, 06:29:56 pm »
So I’ve opened her up and reset my timing for the SISF performance exhaust sprocket.
Believe I have it correct, just wanted to ask prior to buttoning it up.

And yes, I plan on using blue loctite. Lost a cam on a XL600 once by not >:(
Thanks,Doug
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2019, 06:37:28 pm »
Photo?

Have you tried counting the timing chain links?
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2019, 07:19:10 pm »
So I’ve opened her up and reset my timing for the SISF performance exhaust sprocket.
Believe I have it correct, just wanted to ask prior to buttoning it up.

And yes, I plan on using blue loctite. Lost a cam on a XL600 once by not >:(
Thanks,Doug




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photos on f/b post are confusing also, intake looked ok, but the exh looked odd, as it was not in "mirrored" position.. talk again with Steve...

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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2019, 07:35:44 pm »
Ok, pics, can you post one of both sprockets?
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2019, 07:36:00 pm »
Updated pictures at proper angles. Sorry.
Counted links. Starting at deck of exhaust side to intake deck = 35 w/ #36 right under deck as per FSM.
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2019, 07:46:20 pm »
I counted the links and it looks correct to me. The first link is at or barely above the EX mark and #36 should be barely below the IN mark.

These bolt holes will not be what you use, but the diagram shows how to count the links. Go off the timing marks. Maybe this diagram will help.
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2019, 08:15:52 pm »
I counted the links and it looks correct to me. The first link is at or barely above the EX mark and #36 should be barely below the IN mark.

These bolt holes will not be what you use, but the diagram shows how to count the links. Go off the timing marks. Maybe this diagram will help.
Thanks. I turned the engine over carefully and brought back to TDC.
Count is the same and so is the marks. Cleaned bolt holes and loctite bolts. :great:
Off to reinstall valve cover. I’ll let you guys know the results.
May be tomorrow as the normal Western North Carolina summer afternoon thunderstorms are threatening
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2019, 08:42:36 pm »
So, was this exactly how you had the timing before or did you change it a tooth? I don't remember if you said that you double checked the valve clearances, but I might do that too while it's tore down. I had to go through three complete checks of the valves before I was satisfied they were adjusted right. Ask yourself, what would MOB do?
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 09:41:35 pm »
So, was this exactly how you had the timing before or did you change it a tooth? I don't remember if you said that you double checked the valve clearances, but I might do that too while it's tore down. I had to go through three complete checks of the valves before I was satisfied they were adjusted right. Ask yourself, what would MOB do?
:))I did check the valves again to make sure all was right.
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2019, 11:02:28 pm »
Crag, how are you rotating the engine?
Are the Plugs out?
Are you rotating counterclockwise?
or {bad} Are you using the big nut at the crank?

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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2019, 11:12:38 pm »
Crag, how are you rotating the engine?
Are the Plugs out?
Are you rotating counterclockwise?
or {bad} Are you using the big nut at the crank?

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Per FSM:
plugs out, counterclockwise with socket slowly on crankcase rotation nut
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Re: Timing opinion needed
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2019, 12:02:36 am »
As you've talked with Steve, follow his advise on everything.
He knows more than I, but I suspect a carb or electrical problem is what is causing the issue..
Like MOB, your video sounds like you have a miss on 1 cylinder.

If the plugs were out, I  don't think you have a problem, but the big nut is part of the timing rotor plate and apply's force against a small pin on the end of the crankshaft when you use it to turn the engine.
    Too much force on the "big nut" can shear that pin.
Ideally you use the bolt in the center, "and" the nut "together" to rotate the engine.

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