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Offline Steve in Sunny Fla

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Why I recommend tcw3
« on: October 29, 2017, 02:11:43 pm »
 If you don't know what tcw3 is, it's 2 stroke, ashless watercraft oil.

 I use tcw3 in everything that isn't used regularly. I haven't used my pressure washer in about 3 years. Cooler weather is finally here and time to start pressure washing.  I drained the tank, it was clean inside. I drained and removed the carb bowl for inspection, it was clean inside. I drained and removed the sediment bowl, clean. I filled the tank with new fresh oil (with tcw3) ...


  and it started with the first pull.

  Now think about starting your c-10, after a long winter nap.

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 02:54:39 pm »
   EXACTLY!! IT WORKS. My C10 sometimes sets for a couple of months "with" a full tank of gas + TCW-3.Got my C10 new 23 yrs ago and the tank still looks new inside.   Bike starts fine and after a little warmup runs the same as when my carbs came back from SiSF's carb spa!! :) Boat motors quite often set with gas in them + TCW-3. Works for them and my C10.

   Cheap too! Gal. last a long time!!  And I fill my tank full + an ounce or 2 of TCW-3 after every ride just in case the bike sets for a week or more!! :great:


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   I might add that when home my Concours is always IN the garage and on the center stand. I wouldn't leave a dog outdoors or my C10 also!!!
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 08:53:30 pm »
Yes, we were all wondering.
I have never used TCW-3 before, but on your recommendation I added 2 oz
to both on the C-10's I put up for the winter. Unless someone wants to buy
one (there ready to go) I won't open the trailer till late April or May.
Also added the recommended amount of Star-Tron.
We will see come spring how this all works out.
But thanks for the answer.

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 08:57:11 pm »
Does TCW3 have fuel stabilizer in it?
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 09:04:27 pm »
No. I use tcw3 and stabil together during winter.

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 12:22:39 am »
Thanks to Steve's reccomdation I use TCW3 all the time just in case the bike sits unexpectantly. And my riding tractor, snow blower, 4 stroke blower.
For winter storage I add marine Stabil, blue bottle.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 12:26:06 am »
Is there a difference between the 2 stabils? The active ingredient is the same.

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 01:02:29 am »
Is there a difference between the 2 stabils? The active ingredient is the same.

The color??
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 01:20:10 am »
hahaha. yes basically!

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 02:33:17 am »
Instead of using fuel stabilizer I've always used the old gas to swish out the tank, and refill with fresh. I then strain the old gas through a rag or coffee filter and put it in the truck. I try to plan my last ride of the fall so there isn't much fuel anyway.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2017, 03:00:53 am »
Is there a difference between the 2 stabils? The active ingredient is the same.

The blue marine stabil seems more concentrated, according to the dosage ratios.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 11:40:07 am »
I'm a "whatevers on sale" kinda guy. Seafoam, or the new lucas seaform knockoff. Just prepped the bikes in storage for a nap yesterday, that was unpleasant.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2017, 12:57:51 pm »
The Marine Stabil is labeled for ethanol fuels (and has been for many years IIRC), the plain auto Stabil does not stipulate good for ethanol fuels. Over the last year I've seen an auto version labeled 'for ethanol fuels' alongside the original. Of course the marine and auto ethanol version are more expensive. I have not checked the ingredient makeup difference between the different versions.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2017, 01:39:31 pm »
I used the Marine Stabil as a carry over from my days as a boat owner, out board motor with under deck fuel tank that was vented to the atmosphere, using ethanol laced fuel. I remember that the blue said for use with ethanol fuel and the red didn't at the time. I probably had it on hand when I purchased my C10 so I just continued using it up on the bike.

I googled differences between the blue and red and as some have commented stronger concentration, others no differences when dosed as prescribed, need less blue than red. I also read that there is a use by date on Stabil.


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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 04:41:57 pm »
ive had a bit of premix in ALL my bikes over the years when (even injected ones and 4-strokes) sitting for a while. i haven had to clean carbs from sitting for well over 15 years, currently at 11 bikes. (half of them are vintage 2 strokes).. it doesnt hurt anything. never use stabil or startron either, just a bit of good 2t oil.  just dont use synthetic.

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2017, 04:42:53 pm »
i prefer to fill everything up with some fresh E-85 and let it sit outside for a couple of years!  :)
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2017, 04:46:13 pm »
It's funny, I found a pretty noticeable increase in ethanol free fuels around me. Gas prices have been pretty steady, but ethanol free was 3.49 and 3.39 this past weekend. I think they know people are starting to winterize.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2017, 05:34:40 pm »
I'll add my testimony.
My dirt bike is an XR200R vintage 1984 with the dreaded dual carb setup for the single cylinder engine.  I ride it very seldom, so it sits for months at a time between kicks.  The carbs haven't been off the bike in years because it is a huge pain!!!  Last year it started having a problem.  When I drug it out of the barn to ride, the carb or carbs would leak thru the overflow when the petcock was opened, as if the float valve(s) wasn't sealing.  I found that if I left it in the on position it would continue to leak for a few minutes and then stop.  I could then ride it semi-safely until it was put up for the next long nap.  The previous time I rode it I put TCW3 laced fuel into it because I now mix it into all of my gas cans.  Magically when I retrieved it from the barn and turned the petcock on recently expecting it to leak for a while, well you guessed it nothing, not a drop on the ground.  The ride went well with no issues. 
I'm thinking that the slight amount of TCW3 kept the rubber float valve tip soft enough that it would seal on the first try. 
Whatever the reason, I'm a believer now!
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2017, 05:43:14 pm »
TCW-3  and Berrymans B-12, a winning combination.
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2017, 05:51:35 pm »
i prefer to fill everything up with some fresh E-85 and let it sit outside for a couple of years!  :)
Sure wish I could buy E85.   :'(
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2017, 11:32:43 pm »
So 2 ounces every tank full year round in my c10 for top end lubrication and fuel system maintenance?

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2017, 12:01:31 am »
  Don't know about top end lube but TCW-3 helps keeps the carb passages from plugging up due to ethanol getting left behind in those tiny carb passages when the fuel evaporates while setting long periods. Ask SiSF how many carbs he has cleaned out even after being run through the carb cleaning tub !!
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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2017, 01:43:48 pm »
I've been using 2 oz of TCW3 every time I fill up and I only use non-ethanol fuel which is about 20 minutes from me. Haven't had any problems yet.

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2017, 11:28:09 pm »
tcw3

How much tcw3 do you reccomend for 5 gallons?

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Re: Why I recommend tcw3
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2017, 02:58:12 am »
  I add an ounce or 2 on every fill up before I head for home. I really try to keep a full tank because I don't know how long it will be for my next ride.
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