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I just don't get it
« on: May 17, 2012, 10:08:27 pm »
Sorry to have hijacked JR's thread, but I wanted to respond to ChipDoc.

Here's a good example of not paying attention. The guy must have been up there dozens of times, and yet...

Kickstand fail about 7:20. From this weeks Killboy vlog.

« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 10:24:55 pm by JPavlis_CA »
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 10:31:31 pm »
I'm glad you brought it up, actually.  Though some really are unavoidable, most drops really do result from the lack of attention.  Should we be rewarding this?  I figured I'd split the topic so we don't clog up JR's thread.

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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 02:51:03 am »
Good stinkin' on the split,  :D  but leaving out my original question makes the new subject kinda confusing.

CDA #'s are not really an award, more of an acknowledgement, which when first thought up, I found amusing. Now.... I just shake my head at how many instances there are.

And I still disagree - all "drops" are avoidable if: 1) you pay attention; and 2) think about what you are doing. I mean, one guy was trying to put his C10 on the c-stand in flip-flop's, fer cryin out loud.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 04:41:29 am »
Even if all drops are avoidable by paying attention, so what. $hit happens. I read your other post. 45 years of riding bla bla bla. So you are going go tell us that everyone of them offs at speed, countless dirt bike crashes, 3 times on the 95 Connie, etc. were all 100% unavoidable. You never misjudged a turn, were never going to fast or any of that.  100% unavoidable. -- Yeah I know you going to tell me those were all at speed and you were talking about at a standstill. That CDA's are not crashes they are drops and these are two different things. -- But you see, I dont see it that way. Both are a result of metal errors. We make them. Looks like you have made your share of them, just not at a stop. Doesnt mean we cannot understand someone who did. 
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 05:32:18 am »
Good stinkin' on the split,  :D  but leaving out my original question makes the new subject kinda confusing.
Yeah, it is, isn't it?   :-[

Truth be told, I was already making a fresh thread as you were creating your reply.  When I spotted it there, I deleted the one I had created and just started from your reply.  So here is the rest of that thread, so everyone can know what's going on:

Oh geez, that just sucks JR.  I think you're right though; we all drop them sooner or later.

I beg to differ, Paul. In over 45 years of riding, I have never (touch wood) dropped my bike at a standstill. I've had more than my fair share of offs at speed - crashed my dirtbikes more times than I can remember, my '95 Connie three times (in Oregon on a wet wooden bridge, in Baja in foot deep sand, and in Colorado when I was t-boned by a bicycle rider doing 25 mph)....  but I have never dropped my bike at a standstill (neither my '86 C10, my '95 C10, or my '08 C14), or coming to a stop because I "lost concentration." When I get on a bike, that is what I focus on until it's shut off, properly supported, and I'm done riding.

I just don't get it. I've read all the stories since the CDA concept was created (yes, I've been around that long), and I have never gotten this idea that "it's gonna happen to all of us." NO, it doesn't, and doesn't have to if you just freakin pay attention to what you're doing.

It's like I've told other riders - if you can't stay focused on what you're doing, you have no business riding. And it's like I told the King of CDA's (we all know who that is), if you're dropping the bike, it's the wrong bike for you. While I feel for JR and all the others who have dropped their bikes, I'm not going to sit here and say, "gee that's too bad, but it happens to all of us," because it doesn't.

Sorry, but this is my opinion, and I would say the same thing to your face over beers in a parking lot. And I'd bet in that circumstance, you'd agree with me.

So know folks can figure out where the Subject Line came from.

And I've got to admit that video from Killboy really does illustrate exactly what you meant...

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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 03:21:02 pm »
Even if all drops are avoidable by paying attention, so what. $hit happens. I read your other post. 45 years of riding bla bla bla. So you are going go tell us that everyone of them offs at speed, countless dirt bike crashes, 3 times on the 95 Connie, etc. were all 100% unavoidable. You never misjudged a turn, were never going to fast or any of that.  100% unavoidable. -- Yeah I know you going to tell me those were all at speed and you were talking about at a standstill. That CDA's are not crashes they are drops and these are two different things. -- But you see, I dont see it that way. Both are a result of metal errors. We make them. Looks like you have made your share of them, just not at a stop. Doesnt mean we cannot understand someone who did.

Dirt bikes crashes are expected - it happens and not due to mental (metal?) lapses. You pick a wrong line, hit a buried rock, lots of things can jump up and bite ya. And it happens a lot when first learning to ride off-road. But if you've never ridden moto-x or enduro, you may not know this.

As for my three crashes on the C10, I mentioned them to show that yes, I have dropped the bike. But never at a stop or standstill because I wasn't paying attention. As for those crashes, they were pretty much unavoidable.

Oregon, in the rain, wet 100+ year old wooden bridge. Ya ever ridden on ice? That's what it's like. Had to cross the bridge to get where I was going, no other choice. You know what it's like riding in Oregon, Fred, not too many roads choices up in the mountains unless you want to go a long ways around. BTW, it was a points location for the Timberbutt Rally I was in, so I had no choice.

Mexico, a mile of deep sand, I've got a hundred yards left to go to get to hardpack, and I was just too physically exhausted to catch the last front end washout. Mental state had nothing to do with it.

Colorado I got hit by a bicycle rider training for some big race coming up. He's going downhill, in a tuck with his head down, not looking where he's going - how's that my fault? I tried to get out of his way, but didn't make it.

Sure, I've misjudged my speed going into curves, but not because I was distracted or not paying attention.

My point was, and still is, the majority of these drop stories over the years always point to the rider not paying attention to the road surface - the slope of the road, gravel where a foot is put down, stopping with a depression between the wheels preventing you reaching the ground - all sorts avoidable things if the rider was just paying attention. Like the friend of Darrell (Killboy) who's probably been up there countless times. He even says he had a feeling it was going to happen. But he wasn't paying attention. That is my point and I don't get. If people aren't paying attention when they come to a stop, what are they doing when riding? How is there's a separation there in their thought process?

You might be able to understand, and while I sympathize, I don't understand.  Can you explain it without criticizing or insulting me? I just want to know how this happens.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 04:54:34 pm »
I can agree that the vast majority of these are avoidable if the rider was pay attention to the proper thing at the proper time.

Given you told us that " if you can't stay focused on what you're doing, you have no business riding ", you get what ever criticisms people want to send your way. Having said that, I will do my best to play nice. It is not my intent to be mean, but that did push my button.

It pushed my button because I don't see these things so black and white. I interpret your response as you believe people either have focus or they don't. Not that people can have focus, just not at the right thing at the right time. I fail to accept that we either see all things and all times because we are focused, or we see nothing because were not. -- I can accept that people who contentrate on a given task harder see more things than those who contentrate on the task less. But none of us see all of the things all of the time.  -- $hit happens when you miss the wrong thing that the wrong time.

Even my question about misjudging a turn. I have done it. You say you have done it, but  not because you were distracted or not paying attention. But could not it be argued that you were not paying attention to something you should have or you would not have misjudged the turn. Does that mean you were not paying attention at all. Of course not. But I think it can be argued that something was missed somewhere, that allowed an improper conclusion to be drawn about that particular turn.

In short I can agree that they are avoidable if the rider was paying attention to the right thing at the right time. I can accept that in 45 years of riding you have never dropped your bike at a stop. I don't accept that in 45 years of riding your level of focus is so good that you have seen every single 'thing' in your path, and have never missed even a single one and that anyone who does not have that same level of focus, has no business riding.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2012, 04:20:15 am »
I think you're splittin' hairs, Fred. Saying on the one hand if we focus, we see everything, but if we're not we see nothing. That's bs and you know it.

I guess I do see things in black and white. Maybe I'm biased because I learned at a real early age that when on two wheels, you need to pay attention to everything. Rupturing my spleen when I was seven because I forgot the kickstand was no fun. I guess that experience taught me to pay attention to the smallest details when riding, and ignore the other stuff going on around me. That also applies to wrenching on the bike, moving it around, or just paying attention to the road surface when parking.

And I don't believe "$hit happens" when you miss the "wrong thing at the wrong time." It happens when you have no control over outside forces, or get distracted by something unrelated to what you are doing. Pay attention and don't let yourself get distracted, and you won't miss seeing that thing.  We agree that missing something means you're not thinking about what you're doing. But we disagree on the cause. You seem to think "$hit happens." I think it's because people don't pay attention to what they are doing, or do something that was poorly thought out.

And overcooking a curve or two had nothing to do with not paying attention, as you say. Rather it was a failure to anticipate a change in the curve. But I made those curves without incident because I was paying attention.

Now my comment on not having any business riding was in no way a comparison to what I may or may not do. But it is my opinion that if you can't control your bike when you put your foot down on gravel, or stop on a slope, or whatever, then there is some sort of problem. Stopping, starting, walking the bike around is all the basic stuff taught in basic rider classes. If you can't handle that - if you can't stay focused on the simplest of things.... is riding really the smart thing to do?

I know this is an emotional subject for a lot of people and instead of us kickin it back and forth, I'd like to hear from others. Not the why of what happened, I've read all that already, but rather what was learned. What was your state of mind before the drop? What were you thinking about? What do you do differently?
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2012, 05:16:53 am »
The first time I went out with a trailer attached, I caught the right trailer tire on the edge of a gas pump island.  It just didn't occur to me that I should have approached from the outside rather than from the inside.  Now I know.

The time I pushed her over on the right while using my knee to shut an (admittedly overfull) left pannier, I tried to catch her but realized I couldn't stop it fairly early on.  Paid attention from then on.  Also added some air to the rear shock, which lifted the bike considerably and let her lean a bit more firmly on the side stand.

I honestly didn't realize that leaving her in the rain would cause the kickstand to sink into the ground far enough to dump the bike.  The second time that happened, the weather was fine when I left the bike; woke up in the middle of the night to rain pounding on the roof, but by that time poor Connie was already supine.

I'll admit that it's been my fault most of the time.  I learned this from my ex - no matter what's going on the the world, it's my fault.  Easier to just accept that and move on.

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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2012, 08:30:09 am »
I think you're splittin' hairs, Fred. Saying on the one hand if we focus, we see everything, but if we're not we see nothing. That's bs and you know it.

Just to be clear, thats my interpretation of your position. That is not and never was my position. My position is one that allows people to be paying attention to what they are going, just not every single aspect of it.

Pay attention and don't let yourself get distracted, and you won't miss seeing that thing.  We agree that missing something means you're not thinking about what you're doing. But we disagree on the cause.

I dont see the second part as correct.  To me its back to the idea that your position is that if they are paying attention, they see 100% of everything thats relevant to the sitiuation.  Or they must be in la la land.  What I am trying too say is that maybe people can be paying attention to what they are doing and only see 90% of what is relevant. 

If a person puts his foot down and slips in a spot of oil at an intersection, your position appears to be he/she was not paying attention at all. They must have been thinking about last nights dinner, or "checking out that rainbow".  My position is I agree they were not paying attention to that section of pavement at that time, but that does not mean they are not focus on stopping at that intersection. Maybe they were focused on the cross traffic or some other element that IS DIRECTLY related to the task at hand. And that those things are even important things to be focused on. It just wasnt that piece of pavement, at that time.


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Like the friend of Darrell (Killboy) who's probably been up there countless times. He even says he had a feeling it was going to happen. But he wasn't paying attention.

To me this is an example. Obviously he was not thinking about the position of his bike, and whether it would fall over or not. However from the conversation at the end, it seems likely he was thinking about positioning his bike so that is was not a distraction to other riders. Maybe all the countless times he as been there allows him to know how poor many riders negicoate that curve. Maybe this thought process was on how to position his bike for safety of others and not causing a crash and items directly related to the situation at hand.  Seems to me that he could have been paying attention to what was happening, that just didnt include safety of his plastic fairing and mirrors, at that time.

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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2012, 09:30:48 am »
    I read this thread with some amusement. Since just yesterday I almost went over. (my only time would have been July 13, 2007 and Jim is correct - my fault for stupidity when my C14 rolled off the side stand and took me down with it.) But in this case, contrary to Jim's views, I was paying complete attention. Although I will say that in some cases, yes I agree with Jim's points. But not in all cases. In a lot of cases I also agree with Fred.  So in this exciting episode yesterday, the only thing that saved me is that the car had just passed and I was able to hit the throttle to get it moving quickly (although it was quite an arc). Basically what doesn't happen according to Jim (stuff), did happen.
     You see I'm in Rhode Island this weekend for the NE Spring Fling. While out riding, I had to stop to  make a turn. But there is a lot of fine sand on the pavement on this area. And in this case it was just a very fine coating that you really could not see. But I had to stop and this intersection. Both because it's the law and I need to yield the right of way to traffic.(or get run over) There is and was no other option at this particular place in time. There was no obvious dirty or clean spot or anything else to say you should have, other than not being there on a motorcycle on this day.
   So when I stopped and put my feet down, it was like having ball bearings under my feet. And as I looked down, I could still barely see this sand on the road at all, it was so fine. Thankfully the car went by and allowed me to hit the throttle and go. Other wise I would not have been able to keep my foot from sliding out from under me. Since I was paying very close attention and had the luck of open road in front of me at that moment, I was able to escape. If not, I would have been on my side! But the only thing that saved me for real was that car just passing right then. So although Jim has a point in some cases. Stuff (like this) can and does happen that is beyond our control at times.  So (IMO), in my case Jim's theory would have been wrong. Nothing other than having a clear path to accelerate would have and luckily did save me.   ;)

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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 03:45:37 am »
It was a tough weekend that kept me from getting back to this. A very shocking and unexpected event kept me busy since Saturday. It's left me pretty drained. MrPepsi (Brent) will know what I'm referring to.

Glad you saved it, Bob, but I'm still left with questions. Since we haven't met, I'm left wondering why you weren't able to maintain footing. Are you short legged requiring you to lean the bike a little? Was there a slope to the road surface that contributed? You say you stopped and "put your feet down." Then you say you could not have prevented your foot from sliding out. So you were only using one foot? I'm confused.  And why were you looking down? Remember, the bike will go were you look. Were you thinking of doing a quick stop and go? I don't know.

Fred - as to the rider stopping at an intersection who might be focused on more important things like cross traffic... if he's stopping he doesn't have to worry about cross traffic until after he's safely stopped, so your argument is weak. Or maybe you mean the rider was going to try and sneak through but at the last second realised he wouldn't make it and was forced to stop, in which case he was still not paying attention. He should have already scanned the road surface to see if there was anything that would cause a problem with his planned action or would affect any alternative action. I don't know, what's your scenario?

I'm glad to see lots of "reads" on this thread, but wish more would participate.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 05:10:40 am »
Oh my god. Talk about weak.  I am not going to bother. I can no longer play nice.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 01:56:31 pm »
In every drop I've incurred it was totally MY fault. Was it because I wasn't paying attention? NO! In each and every case I did something that contributed to the drop: First drop was shortly after I'd bought the bike and I stalled her just as I was pulling out of the parking space; she coughed, died and threw me off the high side (I was turning left out of the space). Another drop I was loading her onto my truck due to carb problems; the ramps are metal, there was dew on the ground and I was wearing loafers. Just as the front wheel "broke" over onto the truck bed the bike stalled and, as I tried to catch it, my (wet) shoe sole slipped on the ramp and over we went. All my fault but NOT due to a lack of attention/focus.

Connies are big bikes with a fairly high center of gravity. Many riders come to her with no experience on similar bikes. The weight of the bike combines with the high CG to "punish" errors and mistakes whatever their source (lack of focus, attention deficit, etc.).

Jim, I perceive your attitude as being "holier than thou." You've set yourself up as judge and jury of what is "focused" and "paying attention" and what isn't. I think you're wrong but you're entitled to your opinion. Oh, your comment about "having to cross" that bridge in OR doesn't track with everything else you said. You didn't "have" to; you CHOSE to because you put the point value ahead of everything else. That's a judgement error. Or was it a lack of focus/attention? You, surely, knew the wood would be extremely slick; did you not focus on keeping your balance or did you not pay attention?

I'm also pretty convinced that, should you ever drop your bike, we'll never hear of it.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2012, 12:49:40 am »
Maybe this isn't the right place, but I had to share... I dropped my bike this last weekend,  It wasn't the connie, it was the venture (VDA number#?), which has some up sides and down sides, but first the story....

The wife and I met up for dinner at a restaruant after a day of me riding and her hanging out with her friend.  It was a good greasy cheeseburger at a place we hadn't tried about 30 miles from home.  We were getting ready to leave, and I was debating on whether or not to 'hit the can' before I left....  well, I chose not to waste the time, geared up and off I went.   Well 10 miles into the ride, I had once again misjudges the quantity of liquid I had consumed with the seeminly decreasing size of my bladder as I age, needless to say I wasn't going to make it all the way home without stopping.  Fortunately (so I thought) there was a work zone with a porta-pottie on the side of the road, so I pulled in.  I turned off the motor, put the bike in neutral, side stand down, dismount...  I then began to do my buisness, when I heard the "THUD"  I cracked the door, only to see my bike laying on it's side.  up-side... venture has engine guards so there was no real damage other than some small scratches in the chrome on the lefts side gaurds (now a matching set to the right, but that is another story).  down-side.... she is one heavy bike!  Fortunatly (or unfortunately) however you see the situation, my wife comes driving up on her way home, and helps me stand up this heavy pig! 

Completly my fault...  putting bike in neutral on a slight downhill and she rolled right off the side stand, focused on other things I guess....  which didn't turn out so go either, as I ended up peeing on my leg when I reacted to the fallen bike  :-[   After I returned home, and the embarassment wore of, I really wished I had taken a picture (of the bike, not the stain)

I'm human.... stuff happens.....  not paying attention to the details..... 

Will it happen again.... most likey  :(
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 01:49:28 am »
Jim, I perceive your attitude as being "holier than thou." You've set yourself up as judge and jury of what is "focused" and "paying attention" and what isn't. I think you're wrong but you're entitled to your opinion. Oh, your comment about "having to cross" that bridge in OR doesn't track with everything else you said. You didn't "have" to; you CHOSE to because you put the point value ahead of everything else. That's a judgement error. Or was it a lack of focus/attention? You, surely, knew the wood would be extremely slick; did you not focus on keeping your balance or did you not pay attention?

I'm also pretty convinced that, should you ever drop your bike, we'll never hear of it.

I'm not trying to judge, Jim, just to understand. And all I'm getting is criticism, and non-fleshed out scenarios as examples of where I'm wrong.

Crossing that bridge was a judgement call. Yes, I knew it would be slippery and still made the decision to go. That has nothing to do with a lack of focus or attention. That was a crash, plain and simple.

And you're probably right, I wouldn't come here saying I'd dropped my bike. I don't see the need to do so. Like I said, I originally found the CDA thing amusing, but now, it's just old. But I tell ya what, just to make you happy, if I ever do drop my bike at a standstill, for whatever reason, I'll come here and announce it in big, red font. OK?

This is going nowhere, so I'm done with it.

But no way will I ever accept that it has to happen, or will happen to all of us.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2012, 03:14:50 am »
Am I the only one who understands the "gravity" of this situation?  :D
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2012, 04:40:49 pm »
I'm ashamed to say I lived in San Jose for almost 30 years.  :rotflmao:
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2012, 05:30:00 pm »
There ya' go Jim, fixed it up for ya'.

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Brian

Good stinkin' on the split,  :D  but leaving out my original question makes the new subject kinda confusing.

CDA #'s are not really an award, more of an acknowledgement, which when first thought up, I found amusing. Now.... I just shake my head at how many instances there are.

And I still disagree - all "drops" are avoidable if: 1) you pay attention; and 2) think about what you are doing, and 3) you have enough cans of [Harley clogging] expanding foam in your saddlebags to properly balance the bike so it won't tip in the first place.  I mean, one guy was trying to put his C10 on the c-stand in flip-flop's, fer cryin out loud.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 07:27:54 pm »
I usually don't say much in forums, but, I have had conversations with other board members about dropping bikes and how it seems like allot of these accidents are rather Rookie moves. Now, keep in mind the member I was discussing this has been on bikes about the same amount of time that I have (bout 25 years). He two has had one of these 0MPH get offs that I know of.

I've come to realize that this is a part of owning bikes. Your always learning something, even of that lesson can be painful on the wallet.

I myself have dropped bikes in Ohhhh so many stupid and embarrassing ways, so I'm not immune. 

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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2012, 11:20:44 am »
I guess I've owned close to 20 motorcycles over the last 45 years of riding.

The one thing which always surprises me is how my skill level drops every time I start riding a new bike. I rev too much starting from a stop, rev a little when braking, get unsteady in slow speed situations like parking lots.

Then over a few months it comes back. Not sure why this happens but it always is the same.

Anyone that claims to have never dropped a bike hasn't ridden enough to speak on the subject.
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Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2012, 04:31:13 pm »
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Intentional or not, this is a great pun.
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