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Offline Brian_Kellett_NH

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« on: August 10, 2009, 09:52:00 am »
It was a dreaded gravel parking lot....    Well, it looked like gravel anyway - more like hard dirt with enough gravel to give it the character of a bunch of marbles.  I put my left foot down and it slid out, quickly giving the Connie a serious tilt.  I saved the bike, but hurt my left arm pretty bad.  Woke up this morning with a big bruise at the top of my bicep, and my elbow hurts like hell.  Anybody else had this kind of incident?      Is the 14 any better in this regard? (top heaviness) I've had my '05 for a month and done about 1500 miles so far.  The ride and performance are great, but the low-speed characteristics and balance are still giving me the willies.  

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2009, 10:16:00 am »
3 words:   Low Speed Practice  or  Upper Body Strength.      Since I don't have the latter, I've practiced the heck out of the former. Find an empty parking lot, set up some cones, don't take it out of first gear, and barely off of idle. Practice, practice, practice. (3 more words)      (3 final words, or if those above fail, Tip Over Bars ;) )   http://millerized.com/pegs  I'll be in the garage  COG 6425, CDA 111 a through g  

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2009, 10:22:00 am »
I have been practicing, and yes, I'm getting much better with it.  Apparently, I'm pretty strong, but I hope it doesn't happen again this week! :8o:  

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2009, 10:53:00 am »
TIP OVER BARS  No matter home much you practice, when your foot comes down on the marbles, gravity is going to win.    COG # 8062  AMA # 1084053  ROMA or Scarlet harlot acording to my wife
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2009, 11:36:00 am »
Based on the bruises you are seeing, I would say you pulled muscles.  Many people do in a drop or almost-drop.  Get the tip-overs and practice low speed like others are saying.  Take the Experienced Riders Course too.   I hear the C14 is a bit less on the top heaviness but any bike can be dropped.  The low speed skills will help on any bike.  It's amazing what training will do.  There are some videos on youtube of competitions that will show you what is really possible with practice.  Greg H from Mass, Connie Droppers Anonymous Awards Dude  COG# 7010,a Tracey  CDA 120 (2.0)  99 Connie "Herrin Christabelle", 05 Ninja 250  
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 12:28:00 pm »
You'll acclimate to her with experience, it took me about 6 months. Any kind of really loose terrain is rough on Connie but can be handled with a healthy respect. High mileage tires make it worse, sportier tires make it better. Boots are likewise important, try to stick with something that's oil and slip resistant. Stoplights accumulate a lot of oil because some people don't take care of their vehicles the way most of us do. Make your best effort on that unsteady ground to stay upright and make gentle attitude adjustments and keep your knees tight to the tank. Shift your butt on the seat away from the lean on low speed turns (whenever your steering instead of counter-steering). You'll be surprised at how sure footed she can be when you overcome the nerves and do it by the book.  
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 01:38:00 pm »
I have read about some different tires helping to reduce the height of the Concours.  Any particular model/brand of tire I should look for?  What about an aftermarket seat?  Is anything out there a little shorter profile?    Thanks for the help and encouragement, guys.  

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 04:17:00 pm »
Tires and seats are very subjective questions, lots of different people with lots of different answers and each one is correct as to which is the best setup for themselves. I'd do a forum search on both subjects to give yourself a foundation for more specific questions.     If you've only put 1500 miles on her, I'd wait a bit before I'd change the seat or tires (unless they're worn). Connie's post 94 seat is an excellent stock seat by all accounts. My personal experience is that I suffer little if any discomfort in less than 100 miles of continuous riding.     In your story you said your foot slid out from under you so I'd start with footwear, what kind of boot were you wearing?  
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 07:01:00 pm »
Somebody out there makes a set of lower links for the C10.  Not sure what the drop is, but is said to help.    And on tires, stay away from ME880's in the 'wing size.  About an inch or so higher.  Makes centerstand use a bit easier, but really puts a damper on your barefootin'  http://millerized.com/pegs  I'll be in the garage  COG 6425, CDA 111 a through g  

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 09:09:00 am »
In this case, I should have known better than to venture into this parking lot.  It's hard-packed dirt with mayby 1" of loose gravel on the top.  Marble-city!  I was wearing a hiking boot at the time.    The arm is starting to feel a bit better, which is good.    

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 02:31:00 pm »
My PO had ME880's on Connie when I bought her. Her rear end liked to slip out from under me when I was going downhill in the rain. Fortunately I was inexperienced with her so I was being very careful on the wet and the slipping was just exciting. They lasted forever though, I'll give them that.      I enjoy the Avon Azaro and Storm combo for sporty fun, not going to get a lot of miles out of them and they encourage naughty in the twisties but they're certainly sure footed.     As for boots, I wear workboots that are oil and slip resistant and waterproof. Many other footwear solutions to be had though. Check http://www.NewEnough.com for good deals on motorcycle specific wear. I'd suspect the hiker's not going to do too well on fine grit or oil because of its big-toothed, rock-eating tread.     Connie's a big girl so if she's going to go down, you can let her down easy but you can't stop her. Don't hurt yourself trying to keep her up once she's past the fulcrum. Mr. Gravity is the undisputed winner in that fight, with a close to 300:0 record against COG. :)     If you get the tip over bars, you don't even have to worry about her getting scratched up with the gentle set down. You can find them at Murph's http://www.murphskits.com/ along with a whole lot of other things you'll end up wanting/needing (the line between want and need blurs when it comes to my Concours. :))      
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 12:27:00 am »
If I didn't need it, I wouldn't want it.    If I din't want it, I wouldn't need it.    COG # 8062  AMA # 1084053  ROMA or Scarlet harlot acording to my wife
Well...even if you fall on your face you're still moving forward.

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