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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 01:38:00 pm »
without reading into this much , it seems kinda the "EFI Live" i used on my GM products a few years ago...good stuff
yes it is similar to some of the programs available for cars. We have been specializing in bikes for 3 or 4 years, we started with Suzuki's, the Hayabusa and GSX-R's in particular, but we have branched out quite a lot since.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2014, 01:40:43 pm »
Yes, we're going to need a report on a re-worked ECU on a green bike, a red bike, a black bike and the elusive gold bikes. Also one with silver wheels, black wheels and gold wheels.

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Back to the original poster: is there any way to re- code the ECU to use O2 sensors as the non - US bikes do? I understand the sensor(s) would have to be added and wired to the ECU but I am assuming there is an input for them on the US bikes that is just not used?

Brian

Agreed!

I've been waiting for something like this to come along... Anxious to hear some C14 customers' feedback after they've fooled around with this setup and have some dyno time with it.
ZG, we're gonna need ya on this one buddy... :rotflmao:
This is not currently available, the stock O2 sensor is a narrowband O2 sensor as well which is not particularly accurate for tuning. We have initially released a bench harness for the ZG 1400, which allows you to plug directly into the ECU plug.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2014, 01:42:45 pm »
This looks most excellent. I can not see a reason why not to give this a try. It is only money.

I should be ordering shortly.
Ok great, look forward to your order, I would be willing to do a discount for the first couple of sales, so PM me if you are interested.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2014, 01:44:46 pm »
So...

If I run my 2010 with the PC5 and Autotune like I intend to this spring and let it do it's thing with all of my mods installed, would I then be able to transfer my Power Commander map to my ECU using this Woolich software and cables?

This would be an ideal set-up for me, assuming I could of course put the ECU back to stock when I want to sell the bike later on;).
We plan to implement a PC5 map import function which would allow you to import your autotuned PC5 map and apply it to the fuel maps in the ECU. There are some guys on the ZX-10r.net forum doing this at the moment with a spreadsheet and it is working well for them.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2014, 01:48:39 pm »
I really like the idea of this. I've had a couple newer Triumphs and used the TuneECU software to communicate and makes in changes in the OEM ECU. I thought it was fantastic. You could set the on temp for the rad fan, calibrate the speedo, and even check the throttle body's sync...I loved it.

I don't dislike the Guhl Reflash...it's just that it is an extremely expensive and time consuming option for me, and I have no control. At least with this set-up, you can do stuff yourself if you're so inclined.

If I can transfer the maps created in my Power Commander Autotune system into my Kawi ECU, and then return the ECU back to stock later on, I'm REALLY interested in this;).
If you have already had you ECU flashed by a send in service, they generally lock your ECU, which is a bit of a pain, but we have implemented an unlock feature which allows you to unlock the ECU and read out the tuned bin file in the ECU. You can then save this and use it as your starting point. it is also interesting to see what the send in services do for the money :)

We supply the stock bin files in the WRT software, so you can always return your ECU to stock, as it came from the factory. Before you go to write to the ECU, the software does a bunch of checks to ensure that we have the bin file, if we dont it will prompt you to send the bin file to us, so we can add it to the software, this ensures we have all of the stock bin files available and you can always return to exactly stock.


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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2014, 01:50:53 pm »
So...

If I run my 2010 with the PC5 and Autotune like I intend to this spring and let it do it's thing with all of my mods installed, would I then be able to transfer my Power Commander map to my ECU using this Woolich software and cables?

This would be an ideal set-up for me, assuming I could of course put the ECU back to stock when I want to sell the bike later on;).

If you've already spent money for a PC5 & Autotune, it sounds to me like you shoulda waited to buy this setup and saved any left over $$$ for dyno time...

I have no idea how it actually works so I'm just brain-stormin' until Justin chimes in...

If you already have a specific map/s created by your PCV & Autotune... you should be able to duplicate them.?
I don't know how they are actually transferred, but you should be able to do it. Even if it is painstaking and time-consuming. It could be done manually, cell-by-cell right???

I'm just guessing here. This new setup could be C14-progress I'm lookin' for!
Yes you can translate the PC5 maps to the ECU maps, it gets a little tricky as the Throttle Position Column Headers are different, but with a bit of simple maths you can translate the values over.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2014, 01:53:59 pm »
So...

If I run my 2010 with the PC5 and Autotune like I intend to this spring and let it do it's thing with all of my mods installed, would I then be able to transfer my Power Commander map to my ECU using this Woolich software and cables?

This would be an ideal set-up for me, assuming I could of course put the ECU back to stock when I want to sell the bike later on;).

If you've already spent money for a PC5 & Autotune, it sounds to me like you shoulda waited to buy this setup and saved any left over $$$ for dyno time...

I have no idea how it actually works so I'm just brain-stormin' until Justin chimes in...

If you already have a specific map/s created by your PCV & Autotune... you should be able to duplicate them.?
I don't know how they are actually transferred, but you should be able to do it. Even if it is painstaking and time-consuming. It could be done manually, cell-by-cell right???

I'm just guessing here. This new setup could be C14-progress I'm lookin' for!
The other cool thing we have in place is the Woolich Racing Map Share https://www.woolichracing.com/MapShare/default.aspx, this allows you to upload tuned maps and list the mods you have done to the bike, other users can then subscribe to the MapShare and download and apply it to their bin files. We try to encourage a community around our products so everyone can work together to get the most out of their bikes.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2014, 08:41:40 pm »
OK, thought it would have been a wideband sensor so yep, that's not going to work very well anyway.

Thanks for the info. and I will be watching this thread and your website for further developments. Great products by the way, glad to see someone release this ability to the final customer.

Brian

This is not currently available, the stock O2 sensor is a narrowband O2 sensor as well which is not particularly accurate for tuning. We have initially released a bench harness for the ZG 1400, which allows you to plug directly into the ECU plug.
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2014, 09:32:07 am »
Just thought i would update the main thread with some common questions i have been receiving from personal messages.

Q: Do i have to purchase anything else if i buy the kit from your web site
A: No the 1400 GTR - ZG 1400 (Concours) USB Interface and Bench Harness Package has all the parts you need including Mitsubishi USB Interface, Bench Harness and Bin File Definitions in WRT software, you will however need to supply a 12v power supply when using the bench harness http://www.woolichracing.com/SupportCenter/Item/38/what-12-volt-power-supply-do-i-need-to-power-my-bench-harness.aspx

Q: Am i able to make changes to the bin file later when i modify my bike, is there any charge for this
A: Yes you can make changes to the bin file later, this is the whole benefit of being able to flash the ECU yourself, as you modify or update the bike you can continue to improve the tune over time, there is no charge to flash your ECU additional times and you can save each version of the bin file to your computer and come back to them later if you dont like the changes you have made etc.

Q: Can i flash the ECU back to stock
A: Yes you can flash the ECU back to stock, when you first hook up to write to the ECU we check to make sure we have the exact stock bin file that is in your ECU, if we dont currently have the bin file the software will automatically read out the bin file and prompt you to send it through to us so we can add it.

As i mentioned earlier we are doing a special introductory price for the first 3 customers who purchase the new product from us. if you want to take advantage of this, please PM me your email address and i will send you an invoice via paypal with the discounted price.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2014, 02:43:31 pm »
Ordered, one discount gone
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2014, 02:57:56 pm »
Ordered, one discount gone

Two discounts gone. ;D

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2014, 02:00:14 am »
Is the discount amount a secret???  Are you going to tell us how much or did I miss it?

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2014, 02:05:58 am »
Its a good discount. If you are interested in buying please email the vendor for how much. That is the vendors request.
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2014, 02:49:48 pm »
Hi guys, thanks for the great interest in our products, the discount offer has been oversubscribed so its no longer on offer, but you can still purchase our products directly from our web site  http://www.woolichracing.com/products/kawasaki/1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours/kawasaki-1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-ecu-flashing.aspx#productTable

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2014, 02:41:08 pm »
Got my order in, but unfortunately I have to live with snow and ice for the next couple of months.  Maybe I can get a reflash for my skis to make them faster too?
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2014, 02:49:35 pm »
Got my order in, but unfortunately I have to live with snow and ice for the next couple of months.

 :stupid: Me too...lol. The snow and ice is gone....for now...lol, but it'll be back;)

This will be good winter entertainment. :great:
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2014, 09:41:21 am »
Ok..... It may have been stated already and I may have overlooked it......

With this kit, can you properly tune without a dyno?
Is there a Wide Band O2 Sensor part of this setup so that you can capture the A/F ratio and a given RPM/Throttle Possion,etc...?
If no Wide Band O2 Sensor as part of this kit, is there a way to incorporate one?

Edited: Just was looking at the Woodich site and basically got my question answered. But I have another one.

jkwool, Is there a possibility of a Log Box Pro (Mitsubishi) LBPM for the C14?  :)

If so, couldn't the use of a Log Box Pro and a WB O2 enable us to have a closed loop system?
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2014, 04:25:05 pm »
What happens to the economy mode after a flash? what kind of fuel mileage change? up or down?

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2014, 03:04:28 am »
Ok..... It may have been stated already and I may have overlooked it......

With this kit, can you properly tune without a dyno?
Is there a Wide Band O2 Sensor part of this setup so that you can capture the A/F ratio and a given RPM/Throttle Possion,etc...?
If no Wide Band O2 Sensor as part of this kit, is there a way to incorporate one?

Edited: Just was looking at the Woodich site and basically got my question answered. But I have another one.

jkwool, Is there a possibility of a Log Box Pro (Mitsubishi) LBPM for the C14?  :)

If so, couldn't the use of a Log Box Pro and a WB O2 enable us to have a closed loop system?

Hi yes the Log Box Pro (mitsubishi) will work with the C14, we have sold to a couple to customers who contacted us directly about it. We have not finished manufacture of the on bike harnesses yet which is why you wont find them listed on the products page but we can make up a harness if anyone would like to order the full Log Box Pro (Mitsubishi) kit with harness for the C14. Just use the Contact Us form to request this http://www.woolichracing.com/ContactUs.aspx

We have found that you get better results with tuning if you log data over time, analyze and then apply the changes to the fuel maps. Real Time tuning is fraught with difficulties, with factors like exhaust gas offset etc making it difficult for a close loop system to work effectively, especially on a performance oriented bike engine. basically there is a finite amount of time between when a cylinder fires and when the gas from this arrives at the O2 sensor to pick up the AFR. So if you then adjust the fueling based on this information, it is kinda too late as the engine has already moved onto a different part of the map.

In the AutoTune in Woolich Racing Tuned software we have Exhaust Gas Offset compensation built in as it is possible to do this after the fact with logged data, we also use filtering and statistical techniques and various map smoothing options to analyze the data and suggest the most appropriate changes to the fuel maps that will work in various conditions.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2014, 12:26:29 am »
oh holy hell!  :-\

so tempting, but then there goes my summer!  :truce:

Are there any pre defined bins available? Kinda thinking this is a bit too much to dive into as a novice.  ???
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2014, 05:08:15 am »
Hey Rem, LSGiant and Cold Streak- Its been a few months since your order. Was wondering what you thought of the product. I was planning on sending my ECU to Guhl's or buying a PV5 with the auto tune for Christmas this year, then I saw this.....   >:D
Anything you can tell us, the good, the bad or the ugly??? ???

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2014, 12:23:23 pm »
I have to admit I haven't touched it.  I sold a house, bought a lake home and don't have wifi at either of my new houses.  So apart from being too busy with the other stuff, I couldn't do anything right now if I wanted.  Not much of a report for you.  I know Rembrandt has done a lot of work and I think LSGiant played with his at a tech session. 

All I want to do right now is open the secondary flies and richen it up slightly.  In the future when I do more exhaust mod's I will have to add more fuel also.
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2014, 01:24:10 pm »
WOW  :-\ :-\ ! Sounds like you have been busy.... No worries, just wondering as this looks like it could be a lot of fun.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
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Many thanks Jason!
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2016, 02:02:36 pm »
Not much for recent activity here.  What are people getting for results with this setup?  Any tutorials or step by step instructions available so I can get an idea what I'd be in for if I went this route?

Thanks!