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DIY ECU Flashing now available
« on: January 08, 2014, 10:39:58 am »
Hi All,

First and foremost, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Justin Woolich from Woolich Racing (http://www.WoolichRacing.com). We've been designing and manufacturing DIY ECU Flashing interfaces, software and harnesses for a few years now, with Suzuki as our core market. About a year ago we ventured into the Kawasakis, mainly ZX6R, ZX10R and ZX14/R, later on adding the ER-6n, Z1000/Z1000SX. Just this last week we introduced the 1400GTR/Concours/ZG1400. :)

The following features have been opened up via our software (Woolich Racing Tuned http://www.woolichracing.com/tuned/ - check it out, it's free to download and there are some free Suzuki Bin File Definitions in there to give you an idea of what it's all about):

IAP Fuel Maps
TPS Fuel Maps
Ignition Maps
Secondary Throttle Plate (STP) Opening Maps
Fuel Trim Maps
Adjust RPM Limiters

We have a comprehensive Support Center http://www.woolichracing.com/SupportCenter.aspx and very active Support Forum http://www.woolichracing.com/forums/ for everyone from beginner to expert.

You can view our products for the Concours here: http://www.woolichracing.com/products/kawasaki/1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours/kawasaki-1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-ecu-flashing.aspx#productTable

I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

Cheers,
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2014, 10:54:18 am »
Good morning, Justin. Welcome to the forum. Does your software allow for restoration of the stock configuration and storage of different setups? Any fail-safes built in to protect the learning curve or are you marketing to a presumed knowledgeable and track oriented group?

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2014, 11:00:54 am »
Good morning Justin,

This is cool. Thanks for posting this up.

I already have all of the Kawasaki cables to connect my laptop to both generations of the Concours-14, as well as several other models (ZX6R, ZX10R, etc). Will these cables work with your free software?

Would I just have to buy the BIN Definitions for my model bike?

Thanks,
Cory

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2014, 11:06:29 am »
Hi gPink. Thanks for the welcome!

Yes, we have a return to stock option, additionally you can save as many different set-ups to your computer and flash them to the ECU when required.

If you have had your ECU flashed by a send-in ECU flashing service, you can unlock the ECU and read out the tuned bin file and save it as your starting point.

We also have a MapShare function https://www.woolichracing.com/mapshare/default.aspx where you can upload your tuned maps so others can download, try out and rate your tune.

Our customers range from regular road-riders through to champion drag racers, land speed record holders, and circuit racers. https://www.woolichracing.com/Testimonials.aspx

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2014, 11:12:14 am »
Good morning Justin,

This is cool. Thanks for posting this up.

I already have all of the Kawasaki cables to connect my laptop to both generations of the Concours-14, as well as several other models (ZX6R, ZX10R, etc). Will these cables work with your free software?

Would I just have to buy the BIN Definitions for my model bike?

Thanks,
Cory


Hi Cory,

Are they the Kawasaki diagnostic cables? If so, no they won't allow you to flash the ECU. You would need to purchase a Woolich Racing Mitsubishi USB Interface, harness and Bin File Definition for the particular model. This is best purchased as a package which is available on the following page: http://www.woolichracing.com/products/kawasaki/1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours/kawasaki-1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-ecu-flashing.aspx#productTable

Cheers,
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2014, 11:19:26 am »
Justin, I have an '08 C14 with a ZX14 catless header and Muzzy dual cf exhaust, PCV with Autotune, flies out. With the expense I have tied up now, what benefits would your setup have to make me consider swapping.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2014, 11:27:32 am »
Are they the Kawasaki diagnostic cables? If so, no they won't allow you to flash the ECU. You would need to purchase a Woolich Racing Mitsubishi USB Interface, harness and Bin File Definition for the particular model.

-Justin.

Ok Justin,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, my cables are the Kawasaki Diagnostic ones.

So, once you have the Mitsubishi USB Interface, you just need to buy a bike specific Bench Harness and Bin File Definition for each individual model? Do I understand this correctly?

Will the Kawasaki bike specific harnesses that I have now work with your Mitsubishi USB Interface?

I'm only trying to see how cheaply I can do this, and I wouldn't want to buy cables if the ones I have would already work, that's all;).

Cheers,
Cory
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2014, 11:36:41 am »
Justin, I have an '08 C14 with a ZX14 catless header and Muzzy dual cf exhaust, PCV with Autotune, flies out. With the expense I have tied up now, what benefits would your setup have to make me consider swapping.
With our ECU Flashing system, you get full access to both the IAP and TPS fuel maps, Ignition Maps, RPM Limiter, Secondary Throttle Plates (if you still have them) etc etc. For the one price you can do much more than what is available with add on modules. It is always better to make changes at the source inside the ECU, add on modules like power commander etc alter the signal outside the ECU between the ECU and the injectors.

Having said all of the above, you probably have a pretty well tuned set up as it is, so the advantage would be less than someone who may not have tuned their bike as much as you have. An advantage would be removing redundant add on boxes from your bike and doing everything inside the ECU.

I dont have a lot of specific experience with the Consours but i generally recommend leaving the Secondary Throttle Plates in, and tuning the opening maps as this allows you to better control the power delivery, the Secondary Throttles work to maintain the velocity of air flowing into the cylinders, particularly when you snap open the throttle, which leads to better torque etc.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2014, 11:42:41 am »
Are they the Kawasaki diagnostic cables? If so, no they won't allow you to flash the ECU. You would need to purchase a Woolich Racing Mitsubishi USB Interface, harness and Bin File Definition for the particular model.

-Justin.


Ok Justin,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, my cables are the Kawasaki Diagnostic ones.

So, once you have the Mitsubishi USB Interface, you just need to buy a bike specific Bench Harness and Bin File Definition for each individual model? Do I understand this correctly?

Will the Kawasaki bike specific harnesses that I have now work with your Mitsubishi USB Interface?

I'm only trying to see how cheaply I can do this, and I wouldn't want to buy cables if the ones I have would already work, that's all;).

Cheers,
Cory

Yes once you have the Mitsubishi USB Interface, you just need the bench harness (or on bike harness if available) for the particular model/s as well as the bin file definitions in the Woolich Racing Tuned Software http://www.woolichracing.com/SupportCenter/Item/83/why-do-i-need-to-buy-a-bin-file-definition-i-already-own-the-bin-file-in-my-ecu.aspx

Some models of Kawasaki (e.g. ZX6R, Z1000R) use a Denso ECU which has a different flashing protocol and requires a Denso USB Interface.

No the diagnostic cables you have are only for diagnostic information, not for flashing the ECU, the flashing side of things is different to diagnostics and requires a harness specific to this application. Additionally we do not recommend using non Woolich Racing harnesses http://www.woolichracing.com/SupportCenter/Item/86/do-you-support-non-woolich-racing-interfaces-or-harnesses.aspx

Cheers
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2014, 12:00:37 pm »

With our ECU Flashing system, you get full access to both the IAP and TPS fuel maps, Ignition Maps, RPM Limiter, Secondary Throttle Plates (if you still have them) etc etc. For the one price you can do much more than what is available with add on modules. It is always better to make changes at the source inside the ECU, add on modules like power commander etc alter the signal outside the ECU between the ECU and the injectors.

Having said all of the above, you probably have a pretty well tuned set up as it is, so the advantage would be less than someone who may not have tuned their bike as much as you have. An advantage would be removing redundant add on boxes from your bike and doing everything inside the ECU.

I dont have a lot of specific experience with the Consours but i generally recommend leaving the Secondary Throttle Plates in, and tuning the opening maps as this allows you to better control the power delivery, the Secondary Throttles work to maintain the velocity of air flowing into the cylinders, particularly when you snap open the throttle, which leads to better torque etc.
There was no remap available when I pulled the secondaries so out they went. I understand the drawbacks to a piggyback fuel controller but since I already have it in place I'll leave it. It's my understanding that the secondaries restrict air flow rather than maintain velocity. I think if you look at the fly opening map they'll show full open at full throttle. The speed they open is regulated by TPS and ECU unless I'm mistaken.
Good luck with your sales and I'll look forward to reviews when forum members get on board.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 12:06:33 pm »
Thanks for the replies Justin,

I would like to try a kit...just waiting for some of my other Kawasaki junk on Ebay to sell...lol, after my Paypal account is topped back up, I'll be in touch.

Of course...the Can/USA exchange rate is at it's lowest point in four years...ugh...lol. A US dollar costs me a buck ten right now:(.

Cheers,
Cory ;D

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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 12:11:10 pm »

With our ECU Flashing system, you get full access to both the IAP and TPS fuel maps, Ignition Maps, RPM Limiter, Secondary Throttle Plates (if you still have them) etc etc. For the one price you can do much more than what is available with add on modules. It is always better to make changes at the source inside the ECU, add on modules like power commander etc alter the signal outside the ECU between the ECU and the injectors.

Having said all of the above, you probably have a pretty well tuned set up as it is, so the advantage would be less than someone who may not have tuned their bike as much as you have. An advantage would be removing redundant add on boxes from your bike and doing everything inside the ECU.

I dont have a lot of specific experience with the Consours but i generally recommend leaving the Secondary Throttle Plates in, and tuning the opening maps as this allows you to better control the power delivery, the Secondary Throttles work to maintain the velocity of air flowing into the cylinders, particularly when you snap open the throttle, which leads to better torque etc.
There was no remap available when I pulled the secondaries so out they went. I understand the drawbacks to a piggyback fuel controller but since I already have it in place I'll leave it. It's my understanding that the secondaries restrict air flow rather than maintain velocity. I think if you look at the fly opening map they'll show full open at full throttle. The speed they open is regulated by TPS and ECU unless I'm mistaken.
Good luck with your sales and I'll look forward to reviews when forum members get on board.
The stock secondary map does restrict air flow down low as its too restrictive, but if you open them earlier you get the benefits maintaining air velocity while not restricting air flow, yes they are open 100% at full throttle in the upper RPM range. And thanks for your well wishes, we have been looking forward to adding these models for a while now as we have had quite a few inquiries.

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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2014, 12:11:57 pm »
Thanks for the replies Justin,

I would like to try a kit...just waiting for some of my other Kawasaki junk on Ebay to sell...lol, after my Paypal account is topped back up, I'll be in touch.

Of course...the Can/USA exchange rate is at it's lowest point in four years...ugh...lol. A US dollar costs me a buck ten right now:(.

Cheers,
Cory ;D
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2014, 03:10:18 pm »
without reading into this much , it seems kinda the "EFI Live" i used on my GM products a few years ago...good stuff
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2014, 03:32:13 pm »
Hmm, interesting.

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 03:59:10 pm »
Hmm, interesting.

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Agreed!

I've been waiting for something like this to come along... Anxious to hear some C14 customers' feedback after they've fooled around with this setup and have some dyno time with it.
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 06:04:38 pm »
Yes, we're going to need a report on a re-worked ECU on a green bike, a red bike, a black bike and the elusive gold bikes. Also one with silver wheels, black wheels and gold wheels.

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Back to the original poster: is there any way to re- code the ECU to use O2 sensors as the non - US bikes do? I understand the sensor(s) would have to be added and wired to the ECU but I am assuming there is an input for them on the US bikes that is just not used?

Brian

Agreed!

I've been waiting for something like this to come along... Anxious to hear some C14 customers' feedback after they've fooled around with this setup and have some dyno time with it.
ZG, we're gonna need ya on this one buddy... :rotflmao:
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2014, 11:14:00 pm »
This looks most excellent. I can not see a reason why not to give this a try. It is only money.

I should be ordering shortly.
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Re: DIY ECU Flashing now available
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2014, 11:44:53 pm »
So...

If I run my 2010 with the PC5 and Autotune like I intend to this spring and let it do it's thing with all of my mods installed, would I then be able to transfer my Power Commander map to my ECU using this Woolich software and cables?

This would be an ideal set-up for me, assuming I could of course put the ECU back to stock when I want to sell the bike later on;).
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2014, 11:58:28 pm »
Looks like in the wrong hands this thing could be dangerous-lol.  In the right hands it could be fun!!!  For those of you looking for some screen shots check out the video OVERVIEW of the WRT Software, its the one that they suggest viewing. Make sure that you read and save the stock configuration, just in case-lol.

Overview of Woolich Racing Tuned Software


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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2014, 12:13:01 am »
I really like the idea of this. I've had a couple newer Triumphs and used the TuneECU software to communicate and makes in changes in the OEM ECU. I thought it was fantastic. You could set the on temp for the rad fan, calibrate the speedo, and even check the throttle body's sync...I loved it.

I don't dislike the Guhl Reflash...it's just that it is an extremely expensive and time consuming option for me, and I have no control. At least with this set-up, you can do stuff yourself if you're so inclined.

If I can transfer the maps created in my Power Commander Autotune system into my Kawi ECU, and then return the ECU back to stock later on, I'm REALLY interested in this;).

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2014, 01:32:59 am »
So...

If I run my 2010 with the PC5 and Autotune like I intend to this spring and let it do it's thing with all of my mods installed, would I then be able to transfer my Power Commander map to my ECU using this Woolich software and cables?

This would be an ideal set-up for me, assuming I could of course put the ECU back to stock when I want to sell the bike later on;).

If you've already spent money for a PC5 & Autotune, it sounds to me like you shoulda waited to buy this setup and saved any left over $$$ for dyno time...

I have no idea how it actually works so I'm just brain-stormin' until Justin chimes in...

If you already have a specific map/s created by your PCV & Autotune... you should be able to duplicate them.?
I don't know how they are actually transferred, but you should be able to do it. Even if it is painstaking and time-consuming. It could be done manually, cell-by-cell right???

I'm just guessing here. This new setup could be C14-progress I'm lookin' for!
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2014, 10:30:56 am »

If you've already spent money for a PC5 & Autotune, it sounds to me like you shoulda waited to buy this setup and saved any left over $$$ for dyno time...

I have no idea how it actually works so I'm just brain-stormin' until Justin chimes in...

If you already have a specific map/s created by your PCV & Autotune... you should be able to duplicate them.?
I don't know how they are actually transferred, but you should be able to do it. Even if it is painstaking and time-consuming. It could be done manually, cell-by-cell right???

I'm just guessing here. This new setup could be C14-progress I'm lookin' for!

Good morning Mr. LakeTrax,

Part of my problem is that the closest dyno is 225 miles away, so getting my bike 'properly' tuned is not easy. The Fuelmoto maps for the PC5 are already proven and do work very well, so I'm totally ok with them anyway.

However, I would prefer to not have the PC5 and Autotune piggy-backed on the bike if the ECU can be tuned.

I think having a custom map for my bike created with the Autotune (with the Fuelmoto map as a base point), and then transferring it to my own ECU is the IDEAL setup.

It can be done, I'm just not familiar with the process is all. Fred used a PC5 and Autotune to help fine-tune the Guhl maps, so the info was gathered and transferred at some point.

I've got a couple Ebay auctions ending soon, so if I can make any money on my existing junk, I'll order one of these kits.

Now, if I could place an order to get rid of the snow and sub-zero temps, I'd be all over THAT like white on rice!! ;D
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