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Datalogger vs. dyno = USE BOTH !! - UPDATED 1/9/18
« on: January 01, 2018, 02:30:20 pm »
Why have a dyno for ECU flash development?

Datalogger vs. dyno = USE BOTH !!

When tuning an engine, there needs to be tools that can measure small changes in horsepower and torque in controlled conditions for the results to be meaningful. Today's eddy current dynos can simulate any load condition that an engine will see on the road, and can measure within 1/10th of a hp. This gives an experienced tuner the best possible tool for doing his/her job.

Using a datalogger when dyno tuning is the best method for collecting engine data and using specific software to view and analyze small changes that won't show up in on-the-road datalogging.

What is datalogging?
Datalogging is the collection of data from various sensors while the engine is running, throttle position sensor, MAP sensor, coolant temp sensor, wideband AFR sensor, rpm input, and whatever else a tuner wishes to record and look at for how an engine is running.

Using a basic logger exclusively (without a dyno) does not give the whole picture that a good tuner needs to properly develop a performance ECU flash for a stock ECU.

If you have very little adjustment capability, I suppose that using a logger only for fuel adjustments can be useful and give an improvement.
(if you know what you are doing, and your outside conditions are the same for each test that you do. Wind will play a major role for repeatability accuracy)

But, a datalogger alone can't be used for ignition timing adjustments, sub-throttle adjustments, and all the other very significant HP and driveability improvements that
must be carefully measured, adjusted accurately and repeatedly for the results to be meaningful and useful.
These items need to be tested in a controlled environment over and over and adjusted until it's right.

My ECU flash development cycle involves hundreds of dyno runs, and hundreds if not thousands of flashes before the product is ready.
During tuning, the ECU can be flashed 20-30 times a day or even more at times. This will happen for several months.

Every facet of the tune needs to be tested, adjusted, re-tested, and road tested over and over.
Sometimes adjusting one part of the file requires minor adjustments in a part of the file that was done already… This is the way that fine, thorough tuning is done.

Using a dyno and datalogger together for ECU flash development is the only way to properly test all the conditions that an engine will see on the road… and also can simulate any load/road condition that an experienced tuner needs to see.

Will using a $300.00 datalogger without a dyno yield some improvement?
Sure it will, but it will not be able to give a similar result to the massive amount of data that was carefully measured, calculated, analyzed, and adjusted in a controlled environment by specialized equipment (Dyno) by someone who is intimately familiar with this type of equipment. The end result after dyno tuning is beyond comparison.

With a dyno you can accurately measure and repeat the same test over and over again in controlled conditions to any area of the tune and/or give load conditions that that will quickly help solve whatever tuning issue there is.

“A man’s tools are only as good as the man himself”
Just because you have certain tools, it doesn’t mean that you are an expert… or can use your tools to the best advantage that the tool was designed for. Life experience comes into play here, and what you have learned throughout your career.

Will using a $300.00 datalogger without a dyno yield some improvement?
Sure it will, but it will not be able to give a similar result to the massive amount of data that was carefully measured, calculated, analyzed, and adjusted in a controlled environment by specialized equipment (Dyno) by someone who is intimately familiar with this type of equipment. It would be absurd to think otherwise.

In my quest for offering the best product possible from my business, I have purchased the latest and greatest industry standard dyno,
with every option that they offer for it, to replace my old dyno that I have used since 1997.

This will allow me to simulate any on-the-road load condition that I ask it to, and to analyze any aspect of engine tuning that I connect it to…. all in a temperature controlled environment. Using this and the latest logging and log analyzing software helps ensure that I am doing the best for my customers.

After the tune is completed, it is logged on the road for any deficiencies and corrected if any are needed (rarely)

Tuning without a dyno is like claiming to be a great carpenter who doesn’t use a tape measure.


Ivan



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