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a question of etiquette
« on: June 23, 2015, 09:00:06 am »
I went on my first overnight trip on my Connie a couple of weeks ago.  I got off the ferry on Manitoulin Island, and since bikes leave first, I had the highway empty in front of me.  I'm bopping down the road at a brisk pace, having a wonderful time in the late afternoon sun on an empty, twisty highway when I came upon a group of 6 riders barely doing the limit and often ducking under it significantly.  It must be hard to steer a bike with tractor parts in it.



Had they been a car or a truck I would have enjoyed my power to weight ratio and passed them quickly and safely, but they were an extended group of riders - much longer than the longest truck.

What's the etiquette when passing a group of riders?  I imagine they'd find me passing them some kind of challenge.  Such a long pass would mean I'm passing the front rider at a fair clip as well.  If something jumped out and I had to abort the pass, pulling in to their formation would probably piss them off too, yes?

I ended up backing off and following them for fifteen miles, enjoying their inability to ride on their side of the road around corners, before they finally pulled off.

Was that the right call?  Is there a way to pass a group of riders (usually dressed like happy pirates) Without pissing them off?

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 10:47:52 am »
The short answer to whether you can pass a herd without pissing them off is... probably no.  However, I have found that you can mitigate some of the offense by:

1) Using the clutch hand to give a sideways hand salute much like what you'd do if they were going by in the other direction.

2) Passing as slowly as possible.  I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but they react better to someone going by at 10 mph faster instead of 40. 

3) With a longer string, it is virtually impossible that you'll get them all passed at once.  So make your "slide ins" as seamless as possible and maybe even give the universal hand sign for "thanks for letting me in" when you do.

I salute your patience and forbearance to put up with them for 15 miles.  I generally will follow for about a mile or two, hoping they'll turn off.  After that, it's go time.  These guidelines are for motorcycle on motorcycle passing only.  If you happen upon a herd while in your car... well you're basically screwed.



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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 11:05:28 am »
Wow...

It's really too bad this club still allows and attracts HATERS like you.
It's too bad you feel this is an acceptable place to hate.
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I just feel awful that you allowed your special time to be ruined by those fellow motorcycle rider who were not riding what YOU feel is an appropriate motorcycle, in a way YOU felt was an appropriate speed, dressed is a way YOU felt was.... appropriate. 15 miles...Wow, that must have ruined your whole day... Maybe now you are ready to give up this little motorcycle hobby. Seriously, think of all the hazards there are out there on the road, just waiting to ruin YOUR special time. I can't even begin to count them all. Yep, time for you to give up this hobby... There are a lot more of THEM out there.

And thanks for that 2nd picture too. Three words come to mind. EDIT: They have the same letters as "Good For You"

You want to know what the proper etiquette is?? Oh I'll tell you.... It's EDIT: please keep your editorial to yourself and stop being such a EDIT: kitty. Those other motorcycles don't owe you squat. They have as much right as you do to ride they way they like, even (GASP) below the speed limit! And if it was 5 cars behind a truck that was in your way, would you be here crying?? Probably not. Because you feel safe spewing your personal bias and hate here in your community of like minded people. Well guess what... I'm still here to call you out, hater.

Next time, EDIT: just man-up and pass them. Maybe they would have waved as you rode by. Or maybe the law would have been right around the corner to point out that your passing is against the law and what those other motorcycle riders were doing was not. I guess we'll never know because as I said, you need to EDIT: man-up. Stop coming to your warm, safe, friendly little forum to cry and spread your personal bigotry. Because not everyone is EDIT:  like you.....
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 11:16:52 am »
I went on my first overnight trip on my Connie a couple of weeks ago.  I got off the ferry on Manitoulin Island, and since bikes leave first, I had the highway empty in front of me.  I'm bopping down the road at a brisk pace, having a wonderful time in the late afternoon sun on an empty, twisty highway when I came upon a group of 6 riders barely doing the limit and often ducking under it significantly.  It must be hard to steer a bike with tractor parts in it.



Had they been a car or a truck I would have enjoyed my power to weight ratio and passed them quickly and safely, but they were an extended group of riders - much longer than the longest truck.

What's the etiquette when passing a group of riders?  I imagine they'd find me passing them some kind of challenge.  Such a long pass would mean I'm passing the front rider at a fair clip as well.  If something jumped out and I had to abort the pass, pulling in to their formation would probably piss them off too, yes?

I ended up backing off and following them for fifteen miles, enjoying their inability to ride on their side of the road around corners, before they finally pulled off.

Was that the right call?  Is there a way to pass a group of riders (usually dressed like gay pirates) Without pissing them off?



http://tkmotorcyclediaries.blogspot.ca/2015/06/around-bay-part-1-to-north.html


I found myself in this same situation a few times while trying to enjoy the winding roads at the national last year. While the vast majority of cages moved over and waved me by the ironhorse HD riders many times didn't give a crap. So yeah I used my superior bike to blow by them at my first chance. For a fellow rider not to let you pass I find unacceptable. Who wants to fart along at barely the speedlimit? That's not why I bought a SPORT Touring bike.

What I also find unacceptable is the way some of the other forum members and I've seen it 1st hand on the COB FG page too is to beat up on posts like this. Down right personal attacks. "Join for the bike and stay for the people". Well most people anyway. The rest of you HATERS can go scratch!


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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 11:20:28 am »
What a coincidence that two people should meet in these circumstances. One wakes up in the morning and makes a choice to cause offense and another wakes up on the same morning and decides 'this day I choose to be offended'. We are truly blessed that they should meet here for our viewing pleasure. Carry on, gentleman.  :beerchug:
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 12:36:04 pm »
What a coincidence that two people should meet in these circumstances. One wakes up in the morning and makes a choice to cause offense and another wakes up on the same morning and decides 'this day I choose to be offended'. We are truly blessed that they should meet here for our viewing pleasure. Carry on, gentleman.  :beerchug:

Hey Pink...mind if I plagiarize this? Brilliantly put!  :great:

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 12:48:42 pm »
tk, just a suggestion, your question could have been summed up in one sentence: "What's the etiquette when passing a group of riders? "  You have a diverse group of people here, some of which probably look like the "pirate" you describe.  Don't judge a book by its cover.  The measure of an individual is not by what they look like, but what's in their heart.  You cannot expect some to not be offended by your post.  We all have opinions and sometimes they are better off being kept to ourselves.

Now, I would like to know "What's the etiquette when passing a group of riders?" 

Thanks guys,

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 01:23:35 pm »
FWIW, I agree with Dale.

Why is it that so many people think they own the road? I run across people all the time that either loiter at the speed limit (or less) in the left lane, or tailgate me aggressively when I'm already exceeding the limit by more than 5mph. The former thinks that they can go as slow as the want and the hell with everybody else, because you know, it's their road. The tailgater-speeder is fuming that everybody else just won't get the hell out of the way so that they can go as fast as they want on their road.

It's a shared resource people, stop being such d********.

And for the record, I was just offended by Camper Dave as the OP. You both need to take a turn in the corner.  >:(
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 01:31:47 pm »

Now, I would like to know "What's the etiquette when passing a group of riders?" 

Thanks guys,

Loren

Here in Wisconsin, there are quite a few H-D riders who enjoy the countryside at the posted limit if that.  And some of those aging H-D type now have trikes.

So if I find myself behind a group riding at a different pace, I make the choice to pull over, enjoy the scenery, and rejoin my ride.  And if I catch that group again, I have many roads to choose from if I want to take a different direction.  I choose not to force the situation, you may decide to act differently.  So be it.
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 01:34:58 pm »
Kind of what I was thinking....... Put some distance between you and the riders. 
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 02:04:37 pm »
For a fellow rider not to let you pass I find unacceptable.

My etiquette allows riders to pass me when they are clearly moving faster than I..  I move to the side and wave them by.  I especially do this on a destination road, such as the dragon, etc.  I have never felt the need to be an ahole and intentionally block somebody from going by me... yet I am continually amazed at how many riders out there will gladly do just that.   I try to remind myself that the universe has already dispensed its karma on those individuals.

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2015, 02:11:25 pm »
For a fellow rider not to let you pass I find unacceptable.

My etiquette allows riders to pass me when they are clearly moving faster than I..  I move to the side and wave them by.  I especially do this on a destination road, such as the dragon, etc.  I have never felt the need to be an ahole and intentionally block somebody from going by me... yet I am continually amazed at how many riders out there will gladly do just that.   I try to remind myself that the universe has already dispensed its karma on those individuals.

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I'm not the fastest rider on the blacktop. If I get a rider coming up behind me I gladly do just that. Pull to the side a bit and wave them by. It's the right thing to do. After all why do we all wave to each other regardless of what the other is riding? We're all more or less on the "same team". We're all bikers of sorts. We should be accommodating to each other. As I said the cagers were more accommodating while in TN than many of the cruiser riders were!
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2015, 02:24:05 pm »
pass when safe to do so, not safe don't do. Pulling over for a while would have been my option. What they were doing wasn't right, but that's what happens with big groups, my option is not to ride with them either. I like Camper Dave, but I have no friends  :(
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2015, 02:40:41 pm »
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2015, 02:48:02 pm »
For a fellow rider not to let you pass I find unacceptable.

My etiquette allows riders to pass me when they are clearly moving faster than I..  I move to the side and wave them by.  I especially do this on a destination road, such as the dragon, etc.  I have never felt the need to be an ahole and intentionally block somebody from going by me... yet I am continually amazed at how many riders out there will gladly do just that.   I try to remind myself that the universe has already dispensed its karma on those individuals.


Yep - I'll even wave a rider through my own lane (say on a 2-lane, double-yellow road), if I can tell they want to cruise on by. Just get to the right of my lane and give 'em a big arm-wave to come on through! Like other people, I ain't the fastest rider out there.

I really don't mind at all - if anything I'm glad I can contribute to their enjoyment of the same road, and enjoy some camaraderie with a fellow two-wheeler in doing something cars can't do (that is, split the lane momentarily).

But it's a lot more difficult when it's a group of bikes - communication is exponentially more challenging. The guys in the rear can see you/react, but how do they let the guys up front know?

Probably the best thing is to turn off and find a new route or stop for a few minutes.

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2015, 02:54:19 pm »
Hi, I'm Mike, and I am a gay land pirate, and proud of it!

I will often be whiling away the day on my HD at or below or above the speed limit depending on my mood, and often with a group of friends.   However, I personally am not offended when passed by a solo or other riders, I am riding my own ride.

When I am out on my own,  usually on the Connie, I will try and pass the group as a whole unit, and not pass parts of the crew and find myself in the middle of the pack.  Kind of like passing  a large truck.  I just look for a safe place, and pour on the throttle.

Now I rarely pass anything other than farm tractors when on the KLR, but that is the real tractor of the motorcycle world!!
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2015, 04:07:25 pm »
I'm offended that gPink thinks something was a coincidence.  I'm purely a predestinarian myself.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Let's not take ourselves so seriously that we really think we are on to something special that others don't get... 
besides, I know tk1ng was predestined to crack wise and Dave was just as predestined to respond.   :D

We can all do better... except maybe me.   :(

Humor is prone to play on stereotypes... inevitably someone will be offended.
"Three Irishmen came out of a bar... hey, it COULD happen."

"How many Presbyterians does it take to change a light bulb?   CHANGE????"

"A blonde was driving down the road one day and she sees another blonde out in a wheat field in a row boat.  The strereotypical stupidity of the act angered her enough to stop and yell from the road, "It's blondes like you that give blondes like me a bad name.  And by GOd if I could swim I'd come out there and teach you a lesson."

"How do you stop the Polish cavalry?  Turn off the carousel."

"Did you hear about the Aggie who was two hours late to class?  The escalator stopped when he was between floors."

And so on and so on and so on....  and I never mentioned lawyers or politicians or Jewish grandmothers or the French or... well, at some point in some way, we're all haters. 



But then, it's predestined methinks.   :nananana:
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2015, 04:09:19 pm »
They have the right to ride at the speed they choose - just as you have the same right to ride at the speed you choose.
If they're of the sort that don't make room for other riders to move up through the pack - then they're (IMHO) uneducated riders not supporting this sport.
Pass when safe - but be sure to make yourself consipicuous to the group before making the move.
If I have to pull in mid-pack, I will.  They don't own the road (nor do I) - and we need to allow each other the chance to ride as desired.
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2015, 04:31:49 pm »
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2015, 05:07:45 pm »
year or so ago i ran into similar situation on I-64 following a HUGE herd of HD's.
I followed them for several miles but got bored and decided to drop the hammer. I got dam near the front of the pack and the leader motioned to the pack to pass the car in front of them, he immediately switched lanes without doing a head check and didnt see me coming up FAST.

The experience has taught me to Never try to pass a long pack of HD's. I will pull off and take a break next time.
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2015, 05:16:13 pm »
I come into this situation as a polite rider not looking to impact someone else's day. I move to the left side of the lane and make sure my headlight is visible in their mirror. I give them a couple minutes to notice me and make arrangements to be passed. If they ignore me I pass them. If they bunch up to keep from being passed I pass them at a higher speed. To sum it up. You get treated how you act. Some "biker" roughed up Ken Wheeler "If you been to the gap you probably know him" a few months ago because he passed his slow butt on the Dragon. My advice.. Go armed if you plan to stop after the pass... LOL.

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2015, 05:30:54 pm »
My view of ettiquete is from the opposite viewpoint.  if I have someone approach me who is faster, I try to make it a point to move over in the lane to make it safer for them to progress on their way.  I have run into many who have done the same for me, even motioning me by them once they move over.  However, there are others, both on cruisers and other bikes, that don't see the light.  I was up on the parkway behind 3 riders just a few weeks ago.  they were going 30-35 in a 45 zone.  They were spread out just enough that passing on the curvy roads was not an option.  but at the same time, they were just close enough that I did not feel it was safe for me to pass just one and pull back into their line without causing undue risk to all of us.  I had to follow them for several miles before they pulled off.  if they had made a little room, we could have all shared the enjoyment of the road at our own pace.   :truce:
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2015, 05:34:39 pm »
I  tend to stop and pull over if I can...I also have no qualms about passing what some folks who regualrly ride the Hocking Hills in Southeast OHIO refer to as "Milwaukee Road Blocks".  Unfortuantely, those riders have little regard for ANY traffic following them (cars, trucks campers other bikes) all they care about is enjoying their ride with 5-25 bikes at 5 -10 MPH below the posted limits. Easier to find a different route or grab a drink and wait a while. It is too dangerous in those hills to even try going around them.

I saw a letter to the editor titled STUPID EXAMPLES on pp28 of Motorcyclist magazine this month describing a bunch of BMW's that passed the writer. Interesting timing.

If safety is a problem do not pass,  but if it is clear and you got room, I agree take the passing lanes and be very careful.....and wave to say hi ...the more bikes on the road the more the public will look for us.

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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2015, 05:38:27 pm »
CamperDave

Please self-moderate your posts on this forum.  "GFU" & "Pussy" are not appropriate.  By doing so, you will be allowed to continue.

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Done as requested....

Just so we are perfectly clear here.... Calling someone, or a whole group of someones "Gay Pirates" and posting an obviously derogatory picture is fine???
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Re: a question of etiquette
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2015, 05:44:00 pm »
TK1ing : Here is the proper etiquette, BELIEVE ME I KNOW!-
                                                                                                 1) If it is a 1% club you are trying to pass such as the Banditos Or Hells angels Or... Do not pass unless you can make it to the front leader and hand him on the fly a courtesy card from your non-1% club, such as Bold Riders or Only the Lonely, they may be impressed and let you pass (Hells Angels) or they will kill or beat the living crap out of you.
              2) If it is a non 1% club, You may pass prudently, one at a time if less than 6. If more than 6 you need to pass them all and keep going.
  3) All other groups with the exception of sport bike stunters, go for it. 
  4)When passing Sport bike stunters your on your own. 
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There are "Bold Riders" and their are "Old Riders" but their are very few "OLD BOLD RIDERS"
 2003 C-10, C.O.G.Member#11845, A.T.G.A.T.T.
SW Chapter "Bold Riders" Retired Scout 12%er