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Title: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: SVonhof on July 28, 2017, 03:24:37 pm
I have been thinking of adding LED's to the front of the bike, away from the headlights to make the bike more visible. I don't want to have laser beam style lights that blind everyone, so I don't want super high power (lumens) or anything.

I found these little guys on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0SQ9IW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A298YGRJF3C3AU&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0SQ9IW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A298YGRJF3C3AU&psc=1)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/611b1xd8KtL._SL1500_.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71nqxSU0mKL._SL1500_.jpg)

3 watts each, 60 degree spot size. I would have them pointed slightly down as to not annoy oncoming traffic. I was thinking they could be mounted to small holes in the side of each fairing and use quick-disconnect wiring so I could still remove the fairings. Or maybe have them mount to where the reflectors are on the side of the front wheel?
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: SVonhof on August 10, 2017, 11:31:32 pm
I didn't get any responses, so I decided to get some.

Installed them today and I like them. They are not made to be headlight replacements, but I wanted to spread the light around to add to the front image and change the color to make sure people notice me.

They are small, if they fail, I only have a 3/8" hole in the fairing that they are mounted in.
(https://s26.postimg.org/yq47krjsl/Conspicuity_lights_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/yq47krjsl/)
(https://s26.postimg.org/emp6mgh6d/Conspicuity_lights_2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/emp6mgh6d/)
(https://s26.postimg.org/9y96r9rzp/Conspicuity_lights_3.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9y96r9rzp/)
(https://s26.postimg.org/4bcttsph1/Conspicuity_lights_4.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4bcttsph1/)
(https://s26.postimg.org/4qo3mtbed/Conspicuity_lights_5.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4qo3mtbed/)

I have to wait until it's dark to see if I need to modify the pointing. The listing says a 60° degree beam, which is pretty wide, so I am thinking pointing won't do much! I will also try to get a comparison of the lights on their own against the garage door when it gets dark and then the headlights as well. I know the phone's camera will adjust the lighting, but it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: freebird6 on August 11, 2017, 12:37:02 am
I keep looking at new vehicles coming at me on the road. When I see one that I think will fit down under the front I will browse the local junkyards or a parts house and see how much. Wife's KiA had great led s coming at you and the new Chevy trucks are interesting but neither would fit our bikes.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Diz on August 11, 2017, 09:09:17 am
You'[ll be glad you added lights. Not for night but daytime use. It is much better to be seen by other cages. I only have anecdotal evidence but have had fewer cars turn in front of me and fewer incidents of vehicles pulling out from side roads to create a hazardous situation. Good lucl!













Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: RWulf on August 11, 2017, 01:13:09 pm
You need to check how they show up in sun light.
That's the time when drivers will say they did not
see you, that's the time you want to be seen.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: SVonhof on August 11, 2017, 05:48:07 pm
You need to check how they show up in sun light.
That's the time when drivers will say they did not
see you, that's the time you want to be seen.

I would have ridden to work today (dark when I ride in, early afternoon ride home), but when I saw it was supposed to be 98 at my house (that means a few places I go through would be 103 or more) I decided against it.

I will check to see how they do in the daylight compared to the high beams (during the day, I have high beams on).
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Ingramite on August 11, 2017, 09:03:42 pm
I have years of experience running amber spot lamps on my V-Twin motorcycles.
I believe it to be the best insurance you can buy, very effective at grabbing motorists attention.

Amber running lights will be on my Connie as soon as I learn of the options available.

I like your addition, very creative.....and bound to be effective.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: SVonhof on August 14, 2017, 11:24:06 pm
I have not grabbed a picture during the day yet, but will do that when I am on my way home the next time I ride to work.

Here are pictures from after they were installed, in my driveway.

Here, just the running lights and LED's:
(https://s26.postimg.org/xb92fa3ud/Conspicuity_lights_6.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xb92fa3ud/)
LED's and low beams:
(https://s26.postimg.org/5cji25rlh/Conspicuity_lights_7.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5cji25rlh/)
Blurry, but the high beams:
(https://s26.postimg.org/pfyj0gu7p/Conspicuity_lights_8.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/pfyj0gu7p/)
Blurry, but low beams:
(https://s26.postimg.org/cpuandm9h/Conspicuity_lights_9.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/cpuandm9h/)

Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: RWulf on August 15, 2017, 01:29:57 pm
If you want to get serious about conspicuousness then
research lighting safety triangle. And if you life is worth
it look into a head light modulator.
Other than that if you just want to look cool you have
lots of options.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Jorge on August 16, 2017, 01:06:40 am
I agree with adding lights, and I've had them on all our bikes for the last few years.
I added them to my C14 using the Top Kick sliders as mounts, and they look great, and work just as well. Here are some photos.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Harry Martin on August 21, 2017, 10:02:20 pm
I agree with adding lights, and I've had them on all our bikes for the last few years.
I added them to my C14 using the Top Kick sliders as mounts, and they look great, and work just as well. Here are some photos.

Great!  :great:
On my TODO list.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: GrantE on September 17, 2017, 10:30:10 pm
I like them may have to do that to both the C 10 and the 14.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Robby1953 on September 18, 2017, 12:25:49 am
I'm way behind the times, was going to post a pic of my auxillary LEDs and just discovered the Photobucket Ransom hijacking of my photos. Guess I'll be figuring out another way, why can't we load directly to this site?
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: smithr1 on September 18, 2017, 12:49:59 pm
I'm way behind the times, was going to post a pic of my auxillary LEDs and just discovered the Photobucket Ransom hijacking of my photos. Guess I'll be figuring out another way, why can't we load directly to this site?
You can, just currently a size limit.  350k I think.  Not hard to resize but many feel it is just to much of an effort on their part.

I just did this one in a minute along with attaching it.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Robby1953 on September 28, 2017, 12:30:52 am
I'm way behind the times, was going to post a pic of my auxillary LEDs and just discovered the Photobucket Ransom hijacking of my photos. Guess I'll be figuring out another way, why can't we load directly to this site?
You can, just currently a size limit.  350k I think.  Not hard to resize but many feel it is just to much of an effort on their part.

I just did this one in a minute along with attaching it.

Thanks Smithr1 for some reason I thought it had to be third party hosted.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: TLR on December 18, 2017, 05:57:29 am
If you want to get serious about conspicuousness then
research lighting safety triangle. And if you life is worth
it look into a head light modulator.
Other than that if you just want to look cool you have
lots of options.

YES!

More lights are good, but if you really want to add something that will significantly put odds in your favor, get a headlight modulator. They only work during the day, or dawn/dusk in sufficient light, but I literally cannot count the number of times I have seen cagers notice me when they almost didn't.  I've heard all the arguments against them, and those are all theoretical or irrelevant or bogus.   In reality, headlight modulators work and they'll save your life.

Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Larry_Buck_FL on December 18, 2017, 01:57:08 pm
Definitely add LED's or a modulator for the front of the bike. I've always had some sort of triangle of lighting on the front - almost 20 yrs. now and I've never had a car pull across my path. If I did not have the extra lights, I would have a modulator.

Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: RWulf on December 18, 2017, 02:56:40 pm
Here, here and Merry Christmas to all!
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Larry_Buck_FL on December 19, 2017, 01:20:02 pm
Back at 'cha Richard.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on December 20, 2017, 11:28:55 am
Very bright, even in daylight. Haven't had a driver not yield when I approach.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Rob9876 on December 20, 2017, 07:04:57 pm
Very bright, even in daylight. Haven't had a driver not yield when I approach.
Nice, what kind of lights and mounts are those?
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on December 21, 2017, 12:35:24 am
Very bright, even in daylight. Haven't had a driver not yield when I approach.
Nice, what kind of lights and mounts are those?
Lights are
Pilot Automotive PL-9733P flood pattern.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Lee on December 21, 2017, 08:12:41 am
Roadkill your bike looks wicked.  I like!!
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Jorge on December 21, 2017, 11:07:41 am
Ran across this some time back... makes sense, and I have had very few incidents of people pulling in front of me. I don't assume they will see me, and am prepared to evade or brake, but I think they do.
https://motolight.com/triangle-of-light/

Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Rob9876 on December 21, 2017, 02:37:54 pm
Very bright, even in daylight. Haven't had a driver not yield when I approach.
Nice, what kind of lights and mounts are those?
Lights are
Pilot Automotive PL-9733P flood pattern.
Great, thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Salish14 on December 31, 2017, 05:47:02 am
Very bright, even in daylight. Haven't had a driver not yield when I approach.

Awesome, and how did you mount them? Would you be willing to take a few photos of your mounting system for those of us considering doing this? I've been on a slow burn for adding lights to my Connie and this may be it.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: freebird6 on January 01, 2018, 03:26:53 pm
Ran across this some time back... makes sense, and I have had very few incidents of people pulling in front of me. I don't assume they will see me, and am prepared to evade or brake, but I think they do.
https://motolight.com/triangle-of-light/

Really good reading Jorge. Had the modulator on my bike when the idjut pulled out in front of me.....not sure the additional lights would have prevented that one but I like the science and the method in the article
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on January 04, 2018, 12:32:46 pm
Very bright, even in daylight. Haven't had a driver not yield when I approach.


Awesome, and how did you mount them? Would you be willing to take a few photos of your mounting system for those of us considering doing this? I've been on a slow burn for adding lights to my Connie and this may be it.

Some time ago I posted my impressions and how to mount LED light under the mirrors.
Here is the link.
http://forum.cog-online.org/accessories-c14/led-running-lights-71153/msg602937/#msg602937 (http://forum.cog-online.org/accessories-c14/led-running-lights-71153/msg602937/#msg602937)

Cheers...
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Salish14 on January 06, 2018, 01:20:14 am
Awesome, thanks for link.
Title: Re: Adding LED's as forward conspicuity lights?
Post by: Salish14 on January 20, 2018, 03:19:56 am
Have finished mounting the same lights in the same fashion as RoadKillHeaven and I'm delighted. Took it for a ride tonight and it makes a very real difference in my side and front visibility. Think it looks really nice under the rear view mirrors. Thanks so much RoadKill!

I mounted my switch on the right black top fairing, and it looks nice there. Have to take my right hand off the throttle to toggle it on, but I plan to ride with it on at all times so it will just be part of my start up sequence.