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Americans......
« on: October 05, 2011, 02:04:53 am »
As a rider who drives as much as I do, irregardless of weather, it astounds me the lack of concern for safety and care in place of looking cool or being cool.
Example, we have SIX MC dealers and a Cycle Gear in the area, found TWO Hivis helmets. One a returned special order and the other was a dual sport fuller with a visor.

NONE of the dealers had any hivis gear, CG had some Bilt touring jackets they were on clearance. ($150) Almost everything is back or grey/silver for jackets except the Kawi dealer had some leather Zuki & Kawi that were blue or green.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but come on...BE SEEN!
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 07:56:11 am »
Maybe hi-viz doesn't sell. Business's will carry what sells. They will also discount what doesn't sell to get rid of stock. (supply and demand) Maybe people do not want to look like Tron?  :))  Hi-viz is helpful from behind or the side. But all but worthless on a bike with a fairing like the Concours from the front (like an oncoming car). We have quite a few guys who wear hi-viz gear or vests on their Connies. When I look in the mirror at them right behind me, The hi-viz is not visible for the most part. Mainly just headlight and fairing color. But pretty much no hi-viz. So I don't take too much stock in wearing it. But it might keep you from being rear ended. But hopefully they might see you anyway if they are directly behind you. IF they don't, they're probably not paying attention and might run you over anyway. Don't get me wrong. Hi-viz is IMO a smart precaution to take to make yourself more visible. But it is only limited in what it does. Beside, it doesn't go with my pirate outfit! Arrrrrrrr!!!  ;)

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 10:18:48 am »
I have a Tour Master High ViS yellow, really like it, however the first day I had it on, woman nearly ran me over, most days coming to work I get cut off etc, so it's good but if they aint paying attention, it's too late when they do see it.
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 01:17:45 pm »
Maybe hi-viz doesn't sell.

I think that was his point. He is saying if more people were concerned about safety, more shops would carry the hi-vis stuff, as people would be asking for it.
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 02:38:19 pm »
Well, considering we all don't like being told to wear helmets either, I'm not surprised that people don't spend the money on hi vis either.  Not a commentary on right or wrong with it.  just an observation.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 07:19:44 pm »
I disagree Bob.  My father wears a high viz yellow/green jacket.  We both took my C-10's down to the 'Spider Ride'. I ride faster than he does, but I could ALWAYS make him out in the distance BECAUSE of the jacket.  There were times I spotted him before the headlight.  Just my experience
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 11:28:11 pm »
Hey, black is bad, right? Yeah, uh-huh. I understand that not everybody wants hi-viz gear, but many shops only carry subdued (low observable, or stealth!) gear. My Olympia Air-Glide II is hi-viz, but it would be nice to be able to see some less pricey options in local stores.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2011, 11:47:04 pm »
I choose riding gear to match the color of my motorcycle:



Candy Cardinal Red + Black:



That is how I have chosen my gear for the past 30+ years and it works for me. I do not like the looks of "hi-viz" gear and wouldn't buy it.

And yes, I'm an American.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 11:58:06 pm »
Hi-Viz?  What's that?



Personally I am seeing more and more Hi-Viz and other brighter than black colors on the road.  I think black does look cool, (I too own a black jacket and pants) and those who wear it, well that's their business. However for those of us who love to ride for more than just the occasional weekend get together in order to get the most attention and be seen on the road colors other than black are another powerful safety tool that does make it easier for others to see us. I am not saying it is the cure for stupid, drunk, drowsy or distracted drivers, but if a driver is able to see me even a split second earlier than otherwise I'll take the advantage everyday.  I also think the more we ride with bright gear with retroreflective materials, others will eventually follow, and perhaps not too closely!  ;)
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 12:11:51 am »
Hey.....I reCOGnize that photo ^-^
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 12:30:21 am »
Hi-Viz?  What's that?
Safety Nazi Santa  :rotflmao:
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 12:59:23 am »
I have both a jacket and helmet in HiVis.  Haven't been run over yet and still waiting for GQ to call.  Had to order both.  Personally, I think they look good with my BLUE (the fastest color) bike.  Maybe not so much with red or gray.  Better to be seen than look cool, at least at my age.
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 02:14:59 pm »
My Hiviz jacket was from Cycleport (Motoport)  not sure if it makes a difference but I FEEL like it does so I wear it :)

To be honest, I'd be more concerned about the people NOT wearing protective gear at all over the people not wearing hiviz....
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 02:29:48 pm »
I respect your choices, but Hi Viz is just not for me.
Nor is a modulating headlight.
I prefer to drive as defensively as I can.
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 11:04:43 pm »
I choose riding gear to match the color of my motorcycle:


I bought red jacket and helmat to go with my red '88, then bought a blue '01 and put black plastic on it. So now I have to paint the '01 red. Until then I'll wear black shoes and blue jeans.
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2011, 12:46:17 am »
you really don't see much but black and grey. I was in the Honda shop..rough count about 50-60 jackets, 3 red, 1 blue, 2 multi color..gues what the rest were? Most had little if ANY reflective properties?

I won't touch the decision to not wear a helmet, much less the !#@^%#!*&%!^@( decision when people put their KIDS on bikes without helmets..JMHO!!!   :truce:   :-\

Helmets about 75, only the sport helmets had any real color to them..the rest are black, silver, dark maroon...

My real point was Americans are becoming dumber by the generation. To ride a motorcycle without gear would speak of insanity, the false belief you will never have an "incident", or lack of concern for your life. I know a guy who raced professionally, MotoGP, and drag. Riding his GSX-R one day in his "gear" (aka- t shirt, shorts, and sneakers, he went down fast & hard. Brittany(Rock The Gear)  looked like a super model compared to him. Yes, freedom may give you choices, but it should not override common sense (lacking severely now a days).

Will Hi-vis save your life?..no, but it is another notch and level of protection. I don't like a modulator in my rear view mirror, but I understand and appreciate the need. So no worries. Gear+visibility=cautious driving will seriously improve your chances of survival in the asphalt jungle.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2011, 01:03:03 am »
I sorry but when I get to the point where I'm more worried about crashing, injuries and everybody is trying to kill me.... I sell the bike and walk away...
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2011, 11:33:04 am »
+1

Safety is fine, and I don't have a problem if someone wants to wear hi vis, bubble wrap, or metal armor when they ride.  We haven't also touched on the LED lights that the sport bike culture uses to decorate their bikes, which actually makes them more visible as well.  There's LOTS of ways that people have developed to be seen (or even heard).

I think the freedom of choice and taking some level of risk is just in our nature.  You could go back to the beginning of the country.  Folks coming over from Europe were taking a huge risk with their lives, but to them it was worth it.  People heading west in wagons took risks.  The actions of all those folks molded who we are as a culture.

Motorcyclists, I believe, are generally of that same mold.  We take risks just by riding on two wheels because of the inherent instability of doing so.  Beyond that, we seem to calculate risk levels differently than most other rational folks do.  This is even evident in our own riding community when we argue about such things.  The real question is do we allow others to calculate risk for themselves and make their own choices, or do we preach at them to convince them they are wrong and we are right.

I personally focus more on learning to ride well than to count on exterior "things" to keep me safe.  But that's just my style.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2011, 11:36:41 am »
Hi Vis?  Just be thankful you dont have to wear a safety vest back and forth to work each day.  Yes It could make a difference from the back of the side but if I recall correctly 90% of all M/C accidents happen cause someone has turned left in front of you.  If they cant see the headlamp what makes the DOD think a vest will help?
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2011, 01:39:48 pm »
I sorry but when I get to the point where I'm more worried about crashing, injuries and everybody is trying to kill me.... I sell the bike and walk away...

Thanks Dave, we need to keep in perspective. You will never be as safe as in a car, so if you are going to be obsessed with safety, find another hobby. I suggest model trains.
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2011, 04:54:02 pm »
2Linby is correct with the noticible increase of HI-Viz gear. I commute 126 miles roundtrip between Baldwin (NW of Jax) to St Augustine, FL along I-295/I-95 and I have noticed over the last years an increase of Hi-Viz protective clothing being worn by riders to include hiway and construction riders. I can spot the Hi-Viz from a greater distance then dark colors. And in the land of "Blue Hairs"; it is important to be seen.

I started wearing it years ago because the military requires it of all DoD military and Civilain employees. And now, I feel uncomfortable not wearing Hi-Viz vest or clothing.

AR 385-10 "The Army Safety Program" and most military installations state and require a Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), which consists of  HI Viz / or reflective gear along with Helmet,  Jacket or Long sleeve shirt, long trousers, above ankle boots outer protective , full finger gloves, while operating a motorcycle on and off duty and the military installation. Failure to follow the regs can result in puhnishment and oost of MC operating privileages on a military installation.

In addtion, the good news is that in addition to the MSF BRC and ERC, each military or DoD civilian needs to take a refresher course every three years. And Sport Bilke Riders have to take the addtional Sport Bilke course.  And Military coming back from IRAG and Afghan have to take a refresher course prior to riding thier bikes again.

so in closing, I see the increase of Hi-visz clothing being worn alot more bu riders and I belivee education is one of the reasons for it. I tell new riders to dress for the crash; not the ride. Being alive is a lot cooler then road rash and srious injuries.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2011, 12:19:09 am »
Sorry for my rant..like the old saying goes: An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure!  Ride for the pleasure, dress for the worst. Thats all I'm trying to say.  :truce:

I think freedom is great, but abuse of it it is just as bad as dictatorship. I don't panic and worry about the rear-ending cager, or the car that "MAY" pull out in front of me...but I watch and prepare for it always. Since I ride everyday, I practice swerving, e-braking, and evasive maneuvers. I have seen riders run rear end to a car bc they locked the rear brake.. Guess this old fart is on his high rose on a safety kick. Seeing people get huts over laziness, comfort, or stupidity really gets to me. And in the 2-wheeled world..stupid hurts.

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2011, 05:12:25 am »
 Seeing a rider in high viz and wearing a red or orange helmet...
 Do we have a circus in town? :rotflmao: ClownsOnMotorcycles

 Seeing blue lights on some leo's vehicles makes me think my '01 Blue Connie is working the hiviz for me? ;)
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Re: Americans......
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2011, 09:28:56 am »
Seeing a rider in high viz and wearing a red or orange helmet...
 Do we have a circus in town? :rotflmao: ClownsOnMotorcycles

 Seeing blue lights on some leo's vehicles makes me think my '01 Blue Connie is working the hiviz for me? ;)


And the worst part is that he can still get run over, someone pulling in front of him or possibly worse. Just because someone didn't see them for what ever reason. Yes it is smart to try to be seen. But I'll take defensive riding and things like modulators over Tron suits any day. Just my preference. Using all methods would be your best defence. But even that might not save your life. And if your not ready to accept that, maybe a Volvo should be in your future!  :))

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Re: Americans......
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2011, 06:57:15 pm »
Hi Vis?  Just be thankful you dont have to wear a safety vest back and forth to work each day.  Yes It could make a difference from the back of the side but if I recall correctly 90% of all M/C accidents happen cause someone has turned left in front of you.  If they cant see the headlamp what makes the DOD think a vest will help?

'Cause it's the DOD?