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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2015, 09:09:00 pm »
I've been a Rider Coach for 10 years here in Florida. I started with a company in '03 as a Range Aide and they asked if I wanted to become a RC in '05. It was the hardest thing I'd ever done as they never provided me with the necessary course materials. In '07 I was hired by the Motorcycle Training Institute, Inc. (MTII) based in Miami. We are the largest training provider in Florida and I usually work 2, sometimes 3 classes a week in Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, or West Palm Beach.

In August I completed MSF's BRCu to be able to teach the new curriculum and range exercises. All our ranges will be teaching the new Rider Course in 2016.

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2016, 05:13:19 pm »
Old post but didn't want to start a new one.

Are there any currently certified MSF coaches in Germany?  If so can you please drop me a PM.

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2016, 10:18:10 pm »
LakeTrax:  Just to swerve this thread even further off course . . . Oregon doesn't have MSF instructors.  They created their own courses years ago and even won some award for best in the country.  Idaho doesn't have MSF either.  They copied and modified--and improved  ;D --Oregon's excellent courses.

If you don't want to try Oregon you could try Idaho.  Added benefits:  no silly gun laws, MUCH less left-wing politics, 80 mph speed limits, and you can pump your own gas.  Also, you can enjoy all the beautiful Oregon roads right next door.  (Bring your rain gear.)

Here's the Idaho motorcycle training website:    http://idahostar.org

Btw, California Highway Patrol ejected the MSF and their courses, and hired a couple Idaho STARS people to come in and set up courses like we have here in Idaho.  For all I know, the California folks hired some Oregon instructors too.

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2016, 02:01:30 pm »
Took the MSF instructor course last year and was real close to passing. Downside to the course is you don't really get a lot of time to master all 17 range exercises. I crushed the riding test and the written test but was probably 50/50 on the range. I'm scheduled to take it again in August. I'm confident I'll pass this time around.

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2016, 02:35:41 pm »
Took the MSF instructor course last year and was real close to passing. Downside to the course is you don't really get a lot of time to master all 17 range exercises. I crushed the riding test and the written test but was probably 50/50 on the range. I'm scheduled to take it again in August. I'm confident I'll pass this time around.

Plan on teaching in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

Instructor training requires a lot of self-study. Been that was since I was first certified 16 years ago and each re-certification for new programs. If the IG is read as training requires, the written eval should be straight forward. The instructor riding eval should be a cake-walk for experienced riders, even if they muscle through it. Range management and proper riding demos during peer teaching and student teaching is much more difficult. For demos... It's not how good a candidate can ride, it is how good they can demo ride.

Keep pressing forward and best of luck next time.


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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2016, 04:51:46 pm »
Range management and demo riding was definitely a challenge. "Ride the perfect demo" was the mantra on the range. I can definitely do it, I just needed more range time. I also needed more practice on coaching. Seeing what needs to be addressed as they are riding towards you then remembering you are seeing all the controls backwards.

The instructor coarse is a real challenge for sure. I know I'll get it this time.
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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2016, 05:44:14 pm »
Range management and demo riding was definitely a challenge. "Ride the perfect demo" was the mantra on the range.
I can definitely do it, I just needed more range time. I also needed more practice on coaching. Seeing what needs to be addressed as they are riding towards you then remembering you are seeing all the controls backwards.

Yes... It's the standard mantra. You will have time to perfect demo after being certified. Safe, Effective, Efficient range management is more critical to successful student teaching.

What helped me in the beginning prior to RCP was spending time on the range watching good instructors running live classes. I asked if I could shadow them where I could listen.  I observed and evaluated each rider; then listened to their coaching and compare to mine.   
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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2016, 07:45:42 pm »
I did this as well and it proved to be more confusing. What I discovered was the field instructors did things differently than how we were being taught. So I found myself seeing one way of doing things then seeing the course way of doing things. It just made it more difficult for me.

It was so bad, our instructor in chief was there and he took the 2 course instructors aside and chewed them out for half an hour. The difference in instruction ultimately helped in me failing the course.

I was paired with a range instructor who had taught for decades. I was being evaluated by my IIC. My chief told me to move to the next part of the exercise. On the range card it showed to get the riders lined up to pull into staging. My partner wasn't using his range cards and was herding the riders to the complete opposite end of the range. I got confused and started staring at my range cards. Chief interpreted that as me not knowing what I was doing and asked me if I had coordinated what we were doing before hand, which I had not. I hadn't worked with a real instructor until then and thought that since he'd taught forever, he'd be following what the range card said to do. That's why I didn't coordinate anything with him. Ultimately, I felt I was unintentionally setup to fail.

It was a big fiasco but I learned from it and will do better next time.
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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2016, 10:16:37 pm »
LakeTrax:  Just to swerve this thread even further off course . . . Oregon doesn't have MSF instructors.  They created their own courses years ago and even won some award for best in the country.  Idaho doesn't have MSF either.  They copied and modified--and improved  ;D --Oregon's excellent courses.

If you don't want to try Oregon you could try Idaho.  Added benefits:  no silly gun laws, MUCH less left-wing politics, 80 mph speed limits, and you can pump your own gas.  Also, you can enjoy all the beautiful Oregon roads right next door.  (Bring your rain gear.)

Here's the Idaho motorcycle training website:    http://idahostar.org

Btw, California Highway Patrol ejected the MSF and their courses, and hired a couple Idaho STARS people to come in and set up courses like we have here in Idaho.  For all I know, the California folks hired some Oregon instructors too.

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2016, 03:54:15 am »
Well, move back, man!  Life is too short . . . etc.

Idaho is not only a beautiful state, but it's not crowded like, say, Colorado, another beautiful state, and the politics here suit me a LOT better than what I hear about in Colorado, Oregon, Washington, even Nevada.  All beautiful places, but no thanks.

Job situation here getting better.  Housing still cheap most places.  The rest you know.

There are a lot of good John Kerry stories floating around Ketchum.  (Also, Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, Ahnold S., too.)  We visit there fairly often, but I've never ridden the bike over that way.  Consensus, at least among the people I've spoken to, is that John Kerry is quite the dufus.  Rich jerk.  But, whatever.  I knew that anyway.

Yikes;  veered WAY off topic again.   :-[
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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2016, 11:15:33 am »
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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2016, 11:03:31 pm »
MSF instructor here... Though I've only got a couple of years under my belt.  Love taking the Connie with bags through the exercises in the BRC2!
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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2016, 11:34:16 am »
Snip>I Love taking the Connie with bags through the exercises in the BRC2!

Reminded me of time a few years ago when all the company's RC's had to do the course. A fellow RC was following me through the serpentine area. I could hear the scraping of his Harley's pegs along with the constant blipping of the throttle. Then a sickening crunch as the bike went down. Thank goodness there was no damage because of the crash bars and low speed, just his pride was hurt. His comment: "Boy your bike sure can lean."
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