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« on: July 10, 2013, 01:54:50 am »
I coach MSF in SW Wisconsin.  Just wondered who else out there coaches for the MSF or some other MC safety program.

One of the perks of coaching is that I got to ride my connie on the Police Officer training track at SWTC in Fennimore last weekend.  Coming out of a big bend 30mph slower than the bike was capable I still hit 105mph on the back straight.  With my Yamaha Venture (trying as hard as I could scraping the floorboards out of the bend) I only hit 85.

It's a great way to meet new people and introduce them to a great hobby. 

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 01:58:22 am »
Yup...  13th year with Connecticut Rider Education as RC and site trainer. Also write safety related articles for regional website.  There are other motorcycle safety professionals in COG. In fact, I think there was a thread about this several years ago. It's good to bring it up again.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 04:14:01 am »
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 10:03:42 am »
8 years with South Carolina Rider Education.  :great:
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 02:03:43 pm »
I moved to Morehead, KY a little over 6 years ago. Every summer that I've been here, there have been MSF courses held in one of the parking lots at Morehead State University. I always wanted to take an "advanced" course, but all they have ever offered here locally was the beginner course.
I was approached at the beginning of this year by the fella who is in charge of the local MSF courses and was told that they were desperately needing instructors this year and that I should apply. Although I've never taken a course myself, I've always wanted to be involved with the MSF. I also figured that with owning a motorcycle shop here locally it would be a good opportunity to drum up some business and also a good way to get other people excited about motorcycling. Well, I received some contact information and was emailed an application to become an instructor. So, I immediately applied... and I have now received no reply in over 5 months.? I have called the Kentucky Motorcycle Program office at EKY about once a month since applying and have spoken with a very nice woman, but every time she has said "They still haven't chosen candidates for the instructor positions".... I gave up on it a month ago-
I suppose it just bugs me because I think I would make a good instructor, I have almost 20 years of license-endorsed street riding experience, I have nothing on my record that should exclude me, and I was recommended by the guy who is in charge of putting on the local classes! I will say that I have not yet seen a class in session locally this year, so maybe they are not doing them here for some reason this year and that is why I have received no response. However, I still think that if I was not chosen to become an instructor that the least they could do is send me a generic letter stating such. Maybe I'll apply again next year?

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 06:57:05 pm »
You should try to find the local site administrator you spoke to. He has direct contact with the state program and should know what the situation is.


I moved to Morehead, KY a little over 6 years ago. Every summer that I've been here, there have been MSF courses held in one of the parking lots at Morehead State University. I always wanted to take an "advanced" course, but all they have ever offered here locally was the beginner course.
I was approached at the beginning of this year by the fella who is in charge of the local MSF courses and was told that they were desperately needing instructors this year and that I should apply. Although I've never taken a course myself, I've always wanted to be involved with the MSF. I also figured that with owning a motorcycle shop here locally it would be a good opportunity to drum up some business and also a good way to get other people excited about motorcycling. Well, I received some contact information and was emailed an application to become an instructor. So, I immediately applied... and I have now received no reply in over 5 months.? I have called the Kentucky Motorcycle Program office at EKY about once a month since applying and have spoken with a very nice woman, but every time she has said "They still haven't chosen candidates for the instructor positions".... I gave up on it a month ago-
I suppose it just bugs me because I think I would make a good instructor, I have almost 20 years of license-endorsed street riding experience, I have nothing on my record that should exclude me, and I was recommended by the guy who is in charge of putting on the local classes! I will say that I have not yet seen a class in session locally this year, so maybe they are not doing them here for some reason this year and that is why I have received no response. However, I still think that if I was not chosen to become an instructor that the least they could do is send me a generic letter stating such. Maybe I'll apply again next year?



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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 11:06:13 pm »
 :iagree: It's possible that there aren't enough candidates to put on the class too.  ???
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2013, 01:35:35 am »
I tried a while back to get a'hold of the guy who started me down this path, but I had no luck... He's a busy dude, and I've had plenty on my plate as well in the past few months(got married, running a business, yada yada). I'll preface all of this by saying that I know he's probably the best person to eventually contact to find out what the real scoop is...

After talking with the woman at the Kentucky Motorcycle Program office a month after I applied(end of March), I felt like I had a decent rapport with her... I pretty much only tried calling the main office thereafter since she was the one sitting by the hard-copy applications. I suppose sweet-talkin' the lil' ole ladies here in eastern KY only works some of the time... >:D :) ;) ??? :'(
Her answer on the 2nd call(April) was "Instructor applications still haven't been decided upon". On the third call(May) I got "Fella who makes the final cuts is out of town, gonna do it as soon as he gets back because training starts soon.."" The last time I called(June), the lady wasn't in the office. I was busy and didn't really wanna take the time to try and get answers out of a new voice... Now, I just feel sorta weird about it all because all I've ever wanted to know is: If I wasn't chosen, why? Also, would it be worth my time to re-apply next year?

This is all purely conjecture on my part:
Why haven't they held any local classes yet this year?... It very well may be that there aren't enough students... that would then make it the first time in 7 years.!? Maybe they really don't have enough local instructors(which was why I was recommended in the first place)... but for some reason they just never accepted and trained new ones? Then again, maybe they just didn't have enough qualified applicants to make it worth their while... I honestly have no clue as to how many experienced/qualified riders are out there knocking down doors to get these positions. I'm not aware of any others around here anyways- Maybe it's simply because I personally have never taken a MSF course and that alone disqualified me.?
Whether they hold any local classes again this year or not, I specified on my app. that I was willing/able to travel to any testing site in the state, so all of this still doesn't satisfy me as to why I have not received any confirmation either way...

I guess the real reason I'm on here typing all of this is because: 1- It's something that was proposed to me out of the blue. B- It's something I've always thought I would be good at. And 3rdly, I think it would be something cool to do and it seems logical that it could be a good/positive/beneficial thing all the way around. Who services all of your training bikes anyways??? Ahhh, if I could only get my "foot in the door"...

I'll  make some calls again soon and try to get a definitive answer... If for no other reason than to give an end to my ramblings on this thread.
So, to all you guys out there that actually are instructing this year... Stay safe, Stay alert, Preach ATGATT, and remember to take it easy on the beginners when you're introducing them to the various & subtle nuances of riding such as trail-breaking, knee-dragging, and power-slides.  We all know that a CB250 Nighthawk can be just as dangerous as a C14 when wielded with the wrong hands!

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Re: Any other MSF instructors on this board?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2013, 08:32:18 am »
Jesse -  There can be several reason you were not invited to the RCP. Too many candidates; Too few candidates; Candidates not needed in your region; No experience with the program, etc.   Our program is not running a RCP this year because almost all instructor positions were filled within a couple of weeks of the 2013 schedules being released, and student count is dropping due to saturation.  When a RCP will happen the candidate pool  begins forming near the end of the previous year, and they run 2-3 info sessions for potential candidates. There are mandatory assignments that must be completed on schedule and candidates completing the tasks move into the selection pool.  Having experience with the program does have merit because the candidate knows what to expect and how things run. Folks who worked with the program as range aids either as a student or working as a range aid have a better opportunity than those who were just students. Getting a job as a range aid (if your state uses them) is a great way to see how things work before taking the training. Taking an ERC is a real good first step. Statistically, folks who have done both of these stand a significantly better chance of completing the training successfully.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 10:52:06 am »
You can also check around your neighboring states. An MSF card is pretty much the same everywhere (you may have to work under the "supervision" of a local coach for a few classes).

We didn't have any RCPs here in SC for a couple of years because we couldn't get sufficient candidates and because one of our RC Trainers was deployed (he's USMC, now retired).

Having experience with a MSF class is desirable but not mandatory; at least it wasn't in my case. I'd never received any formal training prior to becoming a RC but I had lots of experience in teaching and 40+ years of riding experience.

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2013, 12:59:13 pm »
Move to Oregon!  ;)
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2013, 03:53:07 pm »
No, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express!! :-\ :beerchug:
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 06:35:47 pm »
Move to Oregon!  ;)
Move to the hippy-granola deserty part, or to the expensive liberal part? No sales tax means cheap income/property taxes right? ;)
A few years ago, I rode a GL1800 from Vegas through Yosemite/Sequoia over to San Fran, then up the PCH to Portland. I then turned east on the Washington side of the Columbia River Gourge and headed back to KY. 14 days and about 5,400 miles, trip of a lifetime- I gotta say that I did like the Oregon coastline even better than California's!

Just got off the phone with the lady at the Kentucky Motorcycle Program office... She said that no new rider coaches have been chosen yet! I don't exactly know what to make of this comment, but she went on to say that a lot of their personnel retired recently and that the position of whoever is in charge of picking the rider coaches has not been filled yet.? Also said that my chances are still lookin' good and that I should receive word on the decision sometime in the next few months. We shall see-
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2013, 04:05:05 am »
Move to Oregon!  ;)
Move to the hippy-granola deserty part, or to the expensive liberal part? No sales tax means cheap income/property taxes right? ;)

Whatever part your inner self hippy granola or expensive liberal part directs you to pal..........  Yup....whatever....... :sign0023:
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2013, 03:15:28 pm »
C'mon man, you gotta know that I was just messin' with ya... You can say "redneck" or "hillbilly" about the people where I live and I won't get offended! Truly sorry if I struck a nerve or if I came across as a jerk. Considering the following information, were my assumptions about the income tax rate in Oregon that far off base? :truce:

State Income Tax rates based on $60,000 income
Unless you earn very little, or earn substantially more than $60K, the following State income tax rates probably fit most of the typical folks out there, and will give you an idea of where the states ranked in 2010. Rates are rounded to the nearest 0.1 decimal, and do not include any special deductions or exemptions that may exist.

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Alaska (0%)
Florida (0%)
Nevada (0%)
New Hampshire (0%) except tax on income from interest and dividends
South Dakota (0%)
Tennessee (0%) except tax on income from interest and dividends
Texas (0%)
Washington (0%)
Wyoming (0% )
Illinois (3%)
Pennsylvania (3%)
Indiana (3.4%)
North Dakota (3.8%)
Michigan (4.4%)
Arizona (4.5%)
Colorado (4.6%)
Ohio (4.7%)
New Mexico (4.9%)
Alabama (5%)
Connecticut (5%)
Maryland (5%)
Mississippi (5%)
Utah (5%)
Massachusetts (5.3%)
Oklahoma (5.5%)
Kentucky (5.8%)
Virginia (5.8%)
Georgia (6%)
Louisiana (6% )
Missouri (6%)
New Jersey (6.4%)
Kansas (6.5%)
West Virginia (6.5% )
Wisconsin (6.8%)
Nebraska (6.8%)
Maine (6.9%)
Montana (6.9%)
Delaware (7%)
Arkansas (7% )
North Carolina (7%)
South Carolina (7%)
Rhode Island (7.8%)
Idaho (7.8%)
Minnesota ( 7.9%)
New York (7.9%)
Hawaii (8.3%)
Vermont (8.3%)
D.C. ( 8.5%)
Iowa (9%)
California (9.6%)
Oregon (10.8%)
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2013, 04:19:08 pm »
What is in the water in Oregon?  You can't even pump your own gas there.
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2013, 09:02:19 pm »
Apparently the same thing as in New Jersey. You can't be trusted to pump your own gas there either.  ???
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2013, 04:02:01 pm »
I guess the MSF instructors in Oregon & New Jersey can skip the "proper refueling techniques" chapter with their students. :))
About 10 years ago, I got yelled at by an old guy at a gas station off the Jersey Turnpike for getting out and starting to fill-up my work truck. ::) I still haven't heard a good(reasonable) explanation as to why these two states have these laws in effect.?

I'm just thankful that there are still some gas stations around here that let you pump your gas BEFORE you pay. Nowadays, filling up or topping off your tank and and wanting to pay with cash is one of life's little irritations... First, you've got to walk inside just to get the attendant to turn on the pump, then you walk back outside and fill-up, and then you have to go back inside again to pay/get your change. All I wanna do is stop for some quick fuel and keep on ridin' man!
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2013, 04:14:55 pm »
I suspect it's due to some enviro-whacko law trying to prevent fuel spillage.  ::)
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2013, 04:18:39 pm »
I suspect it's due to some enviro-whacko law trying to prevent fuel spillage.  ::)

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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2013, 05:51:12 pm »
I suspect it's due to some enviro-whacko law trying to prevent fuel spillage.  ::)



In NJ, this law has been on the books since 1949, when the first self-service pumps came into existence, and waaaay before the enviro-whacko's.  Instead of continued speculation here's a link to the NJ General Statutes.

http://lwd.state.nj.us/labor/lsse/laws/Retail_Gasoline_Act_and_Regs.html#343a6

This thread is :offtopic: and needs to be split off by the mods.
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 07:43:20 pm »
I guess the MSF instructors in Oregon & New Jersey can skip the "proper refueling techniques" chapter with their students. :))
About 10 years ago, I got yelled at by an old guy at a gas station off the Jersey Turnpike for getting out and starting to fill-up my work truck. ::) I still haven't heard a good(reasonable) explanation as to why these two states have these laws in effect.?

I'm just thankful that there are still some gas stations around here that let you pump your gas BEFORE you pay. Nowadays, filling up or topping off your tank and and wanting to pay with cash is one of life's little irritations... First, you've got to walk inside just to get the attendant to turn on the pump, then you walk back outside and fill-up, and then you have to go back inside again to pay/get your change. All I wanna do is stop for some quick fuel and keep on ridin' man!

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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2013, 07:55:29 pm »
This thread is :offtopic: and needs to be split off by the mods.
I agree Steve, and I was trying to pull the thread back on track when I mentioned MSF instructors and "proper refueling techniques". According to your link, there is such a thing! :rotflmao:...

34:3A-7. Training, supervision of attendants

No person shall dispense fuel at a gasoline station, unless the person is an attendant who has received instructions regarding the dispensing of fuel, had practical experience dispensing fuel under the direct supervision of an experienced operator for a period of not less than one full working day, and, upon examination at the end of that period, demonstrated his understanding of those instructions.
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We can/should discuss these "dispensing of fuel" laws in another thread. I think your link proves what I said before... that there's no GOOD explanation. That link is actually a pretty entertaining read, but to me it just sounds like a bunch of lawyers got paid to sit around and think of whatever reasons they could to not let people pump their own fuel.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2013, 07:32:38 pm »
Over 25 yrs ago I was a instructor with the ACU training in the UK, Cool thing then was we got to go do some training with the police on there motorcycles to see how a professional does it :)
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2015, 03:32:18 am »
Hi, I was certified as a MSF Instructor, at Eastern Kentucky University in 1985-86, my dime.  Deployed to Germany (US Army), conducted classes at Hanau, Germany.
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