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Are most COG members ATGATT?
« on: May 11, 2018, 02:54:07 am »
I know COG prides itself on being a safe rider and does a great job promoting that message, but I'd be curious to hear some candid feedback from folks around the country that deal with temp. extremes (particularly on the hot side) and whether they sometimes sacrifice protection to avoid dehydration, heat exhaustion, or worse. I'm not talking LD riding to rallies and such, but rather folks that commute 30, 40 or so miles to work or just joy riding.     

   
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2018, 11:17:33 am »
We (wife and I) are ATGATT 95% of the time; 100% of the time when temps are <85 degrees. I confess I recently started wearing Kevlar lined jeans or Kevlar lined khaki's for short trips or on the Goldwing.  Gloves, boots, modular helmets 100% of the time regardless.

I do not handle heat as well as I did when I was younger, maybe because I spend so much time in A/C. Sometimes, it's just too hot (for me) to ride in full gear so I don't or I don't ride at all. Georgia is not Florida, but pretty close in the summer time regarding heat and humidity.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2018, 11:45:33 am »
Yes, all the time. Even on a lunch run from work, around the block to for a 'test run', whenever I ride a bike; they call them accidents for a reason, not scheduled appointments.  :-\
Wearing the gear helps keep the sun off your skin so you don't get hot (relatively speaking). Armored mesh gear probably 9 months out of the year down here in sunny Sarasota, FL, full textile with ventilation features/liners the other months of the year. Camelback hydration backpack for extended road trips to stay hydrated.

My mantra is when its 90+ out, 90+ humidity, it's hot no matter what you are wearing, tank top and shorts, or mesh riding gear. But at least with mesh riding gear, the sweat stays put and sorta cools ya for a second or two when the air starts flowing. Plus, sweat washes off in the shower, road rash,,,,not so much.

I also convert to a cut down shield  for my C10, run it March'ish thru November'ish (unless traveling on a long road trip) to increase upper body air flow and the Baker Air Wings on the mid and lower fairing.

Plus, like Ron said, some times it is just too dang hot to ride the bike. Sometimes during the summer only early morning or early evening is bearable. Living on the coast, we at least get the sea breeze in the afternoon that helps cool things down after the sun has passed it's zenith for the day.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2018, 12:09:43 pm »
Agree with Vic. On the C-14, I ride with the shield all the way down with Klim full mesh jacket and Heatout shirt, usually shorts (Cyclegear). If riding more than 30 minutes, I have a tankbag with ice&water. Got to figure out something else on the "Wing because the "tank shelter" is plastic. May have to resurrect the Camelback. Good to dump water down your neck for moistening evap, too.

I'm experimenting with a very thin, knit neck gaiter this year to keep the sun off my neck. We had some of those as giveaways at the Spring Rally but I had already bought a hi-viz version from Amazon. Can't have too much of that! I'm frankly worried that my "red neck" history of sunburned neck skin will turn into something worse if I keep abusing it in the sun.

I also have discovered that wicking sock liners normally used for hiking, pull the moisture away from my feet and keep them dry. They're not cheap, but I had them left over from hiking. The ones with silver embedded in the threads are best.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 12:36:34 pm »
I live here in Jacksonville, Florida and I do wear gear.  I don't have the riding pants but I do use everything else.  I'd rather be safe than sorry even in the heat.  Now if it gets too hot, I won't ride.  But I don't sacrifice safety for comfort.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2018, 11:51:11 pm »
Confession:
I grew up and started riding in a different time, before helmets and riding gear were at all common.  My one change is that I now always ride with a helmet and long pants.  Other than that I dress mostly for comfort, adding a leather jacket as the temp goes below about 60, a rain suit when needed, and boots when necessary for either rain or cold.
Yes, I realize it's less safe, but after 53 years I'm not likely to change much, and I accept the added risk.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2018, 12:07:36 am »
My favorite picture of me  is @ 20 years old, wearing cut off ragged jean shorts, blue suede sneaks with no shoes, school t-shirt, long(ish) hair, mustache, and rakish smile on my brand new 1978 Honda Hawk CB400 (retail price $995). 

Yes, I fell once and it made a mark.   :-[ 

NOW, I'm almost always ATGATT. Most of the above is gone along with the red cape. The mustache is grey but the smile remains!   ;)
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2018, 12:12:28 am »
Henderson NV. Full atgatt. Stich 100% of the time. LD comfort under garments. Soaked with water thoroughly when the temps are above 100 deg. Zipped up tight except for cuffs. Reach out and get some breeze. Only suffer when stopped but 20 seconds is all it takes to shed. It's a dry heat though. Humidity sux's. Whole different story there.  :beerchug:
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2018, 03:29:13 am »
I wear ATGATT all the time.  If I'm going a couple miles to a store, I put it all on.  I think I'd feel really dumb telling my wife that I left it home or in the luggage when I'm laying in a hospital bed and have road rash on myself.

I have a pastor who cracked (broke?) a couple ribs on his first ride of the season.  At first, he was rather vague about the details.  I'm imagining he was cut off by a cage driver turning left in front of him and the bike slid out on the pavement.  He finally admitted that he dropped the bike at the end of his driveway when he gave it some gas.  Not a mile or two down the road, but at the end of his driveway.  I figure I can do dumb things too, and don't want to put up with the pain of recovery at my advanced age.  ;)

I wear a Hit-Air airbag vest.  A member of another forum with a lot more experience than I went straight when the road curved.  He doesn't know why.  He had no head injuries.  No road rash.  But he had something like 17 broken bones in his rib cage...and a crushed vertebrae and a fractured vertebrae.  For the first couple months, they didn't know if he would live.  He could've probably have walked away from the accident with an air bag vest.  They aren't cheap, but the first night in the emergency room pays for it.

I rode about 7000 miles last summer in a few weeks.  Temps were in the 90s and above 100 many days.  An inexpensive cooling vest from Cycle Gear made it seem like I had air-conditioning on.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2018, 07:28:36 am »
ATGATT 99.9%. The only rare exception will be jeans with kevlar instead of full on riding pants. For high temps I also add a cooling vest.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2018, 07:39:23 pm »
Thanks guys/gals, just the feedback I was looking for. :great:

I commute from Port Saint Lucie to Sebastian 2x/week on average and I do it 99% on Connie.  It is almost 50 mi and a good 35 of that is fighting the cagers and truckers on a bad stretch of construction-infested 95.  Although I always, always wear either full face or modular, gloves, armored mesh pants and boots, I'm not so good about my jacket. I most often wear a hi-viz climacool long sleeve over a cotton long sleeve.  Not much good for sliding on the pavement! :-[   No excuses!  I need to get a cooling vest, but then that's just one more thing to put on, take off, etc...ugh.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2018, 08:58:02 pm »
I'm with Deepsea.  99.9% of the time......
 
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2018, 10:41:13 pm »
I was never a ATGATT rider. Always a helmet, usually jeans and as long as it wasn't too hot a jacket.  Then this happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbMdFTB4zt0. Because it was winter I had most of my gear on. The only thing I didn't have were a pair of good riding pants. I only had a pair of Levi's on and I paid for it. VERY lucky I only had 2 2" diameter road rashes on my knees. Now I am ATGATT in the heat and cold.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2018, 10:59:04 pm »
I try to be but having no luck with summer pants, three pairs bought and returned, going to get measured and buy some MotoPort!

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2018, 12:54:31 am »
I have a riding friend who is a nurse.  He used to work at the Harbor View hospital, the local trauma center.  He's seen a lot of people on the operating table.  I've seen only a couple pictures.  That's enough for me.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2018, 01:39:55 am »
It's all great fun..........until it isn't. This is one of those things where we don't get a second chance. If your ATGATT good for you, if you're not it's to late to change your mind once airborne. The .1% I spoke of was the only time I've ever crashed on a public road, after hitting an animal in a blind S curve. Still carrying the scars on both knees from wearing Levi's.
  What's really mind boggling to me is seeing a guy in full gear on a crotch rocket with his girlfriend on the back in shorts, halter and sandals. Even at just 5 - 10 mph she will carry the scars for life. Remember, your passenger has even less chance of walking away after a crash than you do. Motorcycles have a higher risk of injury than cars. That's part of their appeal. How many riders have researched what to do during an impending crash verses blindly hoping for the best or "I don't plan to crash"? You must decide in a hurry. What about your passenger? Ever discuss what to do if you fall over in a parking lot or at speed? All food for thought.


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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2018, 01:43:03 am »
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2018, 01:59:50 pm »
I wasn't ATGATT growing up. Helmet was always on, and jeans and boots. Somewhere out there may be a photo of me riding in the desert with no shirt, throttle locked at around 70 and feet on the handlebars leaning back on my sleeping bag. (Car passed and passenger took a shot of me). I was in my early 20's. I met my wife and we started riding with real gear (I never did go with the pants). Saved us almost 5 years ago. I may never ride again, but I am alive. She still rides (and unfortunately got to test all her new gear again with a deer hit, but was fine). Strongly believe the rider has a choice on what to wear, but can't say I always understand it.
Heck, just thinking, when I raced motocross, we wore the boots, pants and gloves and helmet, but just a nylon jersey!
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2018, 12:17:09 am »
I try to be but having no luck with summer pants, three pairs bought and returned, going to get measured and buy some MotoPort!

I have always worn ATGATT and thank heaven above that I had Alpinestars jacket, Olympia Pants, touring boots and my helmet on when a car pulled out in front of me.

After a helicopter ride 50 miles to the trauma center, 9 days in a coma and many screws and plates in my lower extremities I won't go for a ride without gear. Motoport kevlar mesh is way cooler than anything I have ever owned and is really easy to get in and out of, Forma Adventure boots and Shoei helmet. Wayne sent me the newest edition of the Motoport gloves which are awesome. Since I use my hands for my profession I can't say enough about the gloves and the quality.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2018, 01:56:48 am »
I try to be but having no luck with summer pants, three pairs bought and returned, going to get measured and buy some MotoPort!

I have always worn ATGATT and thank heaven above that I had Alpinestars jacket, Olympia Pants, touring boots and my helmet on when a car pulled out in front of me.

After a helicopter ride 50 miles to the trauma center, 9 days in a coma and many screws and plates in my lower extremities I won't go for a ride without gear. Motoport kevlar mesh is way cooler than anything I have ever owned and is really easy to get in and out of, Forma Adventure boots and Shoei helmet. Wayne sent me the newest edition of the Motoport gloves which are awesome. Since I use my hands for my profession I can't say enough about the gloves and the quality.
I like Olympia gear, just returned a pair of pants though, didn’t like how they fit, I had on a Olympia MotoQuest when I was rear ended and wasn’t a mark on me I believe because of the quality and protection of the jacket and Shoei.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2018, 02:17:38 am »
I am 100% of the time ...unless not. Riding  in a kilt to dinner does not likely count, or helmet-less to breakfast 1/4 mile away in Idaho is cockerels but I have done it.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2018, 02:28:32 am »

 I like Olympia gear, just returned a pair of pants though, didn’t like how they fit, I had on a Olympia MotoQuest when I was rear ended and wasn’t a mark on me I believe because of the quality and protection of the jacket and Shoei.

Since the accident I have been in Motoport.

Put on a pair of Olympia pants and a Bilt jacket a couple of weeks ago to go a short way over to an event where I did not want to try and pack the Motoport into a saddlebag. Felt better than a pair of Levis on a short trip but I miss the Motoport when I ride with anything else anymore. Weird....but I like the breathability and the security these days.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2018, 08:42:32 pm »
100% ATGATT 100% of the time. It paid off once, early last season when I was enjoying a ride on my 454. Rain clouds began forming on an otherwise sunny day so headed it back to the garage trying to beat the rain.
 
The roads were dry, until I came up on a spot that had just been rained on, on a sharp curve. Slowed for the turn I've taken dozens of times, set up, rolled on a little throttle, and ran out of traction as the front wheel washed out and the bike lowsided before I knew what happened. Ended up skidding on hands and knees for about 20 feet. No injuries thanks to the armored gear and good gloves.

Rode the bike the rest of the way home and straightened the triple tree. My shoulder was sore the next day, but at least I wasn't picking rocks out of my palms and kneecaps. Without the gear, I probably would have faceplanted instead of skidding in an all fours position.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2018, 02:20:51 am »
As one who lives in the Phoenix, Az area, and rides ATGATT "all the time", I have to share something I've found. A few years ago, I got a "Phase-change" cooling vest, that freezes at 58 degrees F, which made a big difference in summer riding. BTW, I wear Motoport mesh jacket and pants, leather gloves, and of course a helmet. After a few years, one of the pouches of phase change goo started leaking, so I replaced the whole deal with a different brand - Polar Products, who make the same 58 degree packs, but also water-based 32 degree monsters, which I decided I just had to try. I wear the cooling vest on top of a very thin nylon wind vest, on top of my regular shirt, all under the Motoport jacket. I can't believe how much more comfortable this setup makes my 25 mile commute. today it was 95 degrees on the ride home, and after 30 minutes, when I got home and took off my helmet, my hair wasn't even sweaty. Since this approach doesn't rely on evaporation, I'm thinking it would probably work as well in high humidity climates.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2018, 02:20:55 pm »
Polar Products, who make the same 58 degree packs, but also water-based 32 degree monsters, which I decided I just had to try. .

So were the good results from the 58 or 32 degree packs?
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