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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2018, 02:48:24 pm »
One of the tips I found last summer to using a cooling vest, is to limit airflow to it.  The more airflow to it, the faster it dries out.

I was more than a little concerned last summer about the heat I would encounter on my travels outside Washington state.  I live on the wet side, not the dry side.  A hot day is when it hits 80F.  I had only ridden a few times in 90+F heat, and that for only a few hours at a time.  The thought of traveling for weeks in temps I hadn't prepared properly for, was not cool.  And since I'd be traveling with someone else on the first trip, I didn't want to hold things up.  SoundRider! has a number of good articles on riding in temps over 93F, some written by David Hough.  The thyroid can't cope with temps above 93F and the air hitting your body, actually heats it up instead of cooling it down.

So my solution was to buy one of the Heat Out long sleeve t-shirts and the cooling vest from Cycle Gear.  The Heat Out t-shirt kept the hot wind from hitting my skin directly.  The cooling vest did its thing.  I wore this with an Olympia mesh jacket, but had an air bag vest over that.  The air bag vest blocks air from coming through the jacket some.  So while I had air coming through the jacket, it wasn't as much as it could've been.

I stopped at a rest stop in Wyoming, I think.  It was hot in any case.  Probably right around 100F.  There was a couple on their bikes that I talked with.  She said their more expensive cooling vests had dried out in 30 minutes in the heat.  But then, they were wearing full mesh jackets.  Lots of hot air coming through them.  Mine was still cooling me for 3 hours that afternoon.

The point is that if you're on a trip where you have a lot of exposure to this kind of heat, you actually want to limit somewhat, the air flowing through the outer jacket to the cooling vest. 

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2018, 02:59:56 pm »
"Old Steve", I like the idea.
Can you tell us which Phase Change Cooling vest you have?
I did a search and found many brands and prices.
I think I like the Polar Products Vest, but I saw 1 on Amazon for far less $$.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 02:27:19 am »
"Old Steve", I like the idea.
Can you tell us which Phase Change Cooling vest you have?
I did a search and found many brands and prices.
I think I like the Polar Products Vest, but I saw 1 on Amazon for far less $$.

Ride safe, Ted

Hi Ted,
I got the one they call:
Adjustable Zipper Cooling Vest with (4) Long Kool Max® Pack Strips
I've had a chance to wear it a few days when it was over 100F, and it really makes a difference. Like someone else said, it's best to limit airflow over this type of vest, because it does not rely on evaporation. More breeze just means more hot.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2018, 02:06:50 pm »
Thanks Steve.
I'm thinking I need one of those.
Unfortunately the National is in just a few days. Going as is.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2018, 01:39:01 pm »
Did a little more research and found this vest..
https://www.healthproductsforyou.com/p-polar-cool58-phase-change-zipper-cooling-vest.html

It's too late for me to get for the national, but think I'm going to get one as I live in Houston.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2018, 10:43:06 pm »
I did a 19 day, 19 state ride last August, and most days were blazing hot by 11am. Up to the mid-80's I wore leather. Jacket is vintage 1980 cowhide with a heavy quilted lining(old school). Had luck avoiding rain, and wore leather chaps. Also carry leather pants for if I have to ride in heavy rain. Unfortunately(or maybe fortunately), the pants and jacket have been tested, and proved adequate. When I strip the leather, I wear jeans and a long-sleeved light-colored cotton shirt. Button up is better for neck protection from the sun. Had a problem with my sleeves riding up my arm a bit, exposing a two-inch area on my wrist to the sun. Solved that problem with a couple strips of Velcro wrapped around my sleeves. If I wanted to ride NAKED I would still have leather boots, leather gloves, and a good brain-bucket, always.
By the way, all 19 states except Wisconsin were west of the Mississippi River, and although I rode on some wet road, I never had to ride in the rain. I found out that if you want to ride the interstate across SD you better plan on a steady 90 mph plus for about 400 miles. And there are some pretty roads in southern Utah and CO.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2018, 03:14:50 am »
Yes ATGATT, I used to be the too cool guy in a t-shirt thank God nothing went wrong back then.
I have sence found that full gear can be cooler to ride in than jeans and a t. My gear is low end but well vented it keeps the sun off my skin and helps my sweat actually cool me temps over 80° LD Comfort base layer wet makes the great seem air conditioned. One day a guy on a cruiser wearing a tshirt stopped next to me at a light and asked "aren't you hot in that stuff?"
I replied no quite comfortable, he gave a puzzled look and the light changed  :rotflmao:
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2018, 10:25:30 am »
Great feedback guys, much appreciated. :great:

How many of you that ride a 2 pc. suit zipper them together?  I don't, and my one gear fear it a feet first slide and the jacket riding up.  has that happened to anyone?

I'm looking at getting a 1 pc. and be done with it.  Then I can't wear one without the other. :-[  I'm interested in opinions on the R-3, R-3 light and classic.  Thinking about the light for so. fla., but still want the protection of classic.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2018, 04:50:37 pm »
It rarely crosses my mind to zip the two pieces together.

I have been wearing Olympia gear for years now, and while the gear can be zipped together, I just don't.  Maybe I'll try it later today.  I cinch my pants up pretty well.  They may slide down, but not that much.  And my jackets are all 3/4 length, so they may slide up some, but not much.  The only time I think I'd get my back or stomach exposed is if my lower half was sliding one direction, and the upper half was sliding the opposite direction.  If that continued too long, there'd be a bigger problem than road rash.

I also use a Hit-Air airbag vest.  That'll help keep things in place when it deploys.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2018, 12:36:29 pm »
I wear jacket, helmet, gloves, military steel toed Bates Boots, and jeans. And a lot of life insurance.

Has anyone tried kevlar jeans and if so do you like them?
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2018, 02:05:13 pm »
I do a lot of commuting and work in an industry where it can be difficult to stay clean enough to put the gear on at the end of the day. At first gearing up and down is a little bit of a hassle but the practice of just doing it makes it routine in short order. The toughest part of ATGATT is just making the decision to do it.
As mentioned above one of the biggest hurtles I have had to jump is staying clean enough throughout the day as to not ruin my gear putting it on for my return trip. For the times the times my street clothes become too soiled to put my gear over or those really hot days I keep a complete set of LD base layer in my tank bag and this keeps the inside of my gear much cleaner.  On days that it is really hot I will change into the LD base layer as well only I wet it down before gearing up and that makes for a very comfortable ride home. I use the same long sleeve turtleneck and leotard LD Comfort base layer year around it keeps me warm in the cold and cool in the heat. ATGATT can be more comfortable in any weather than not, good base layer isn't cheap but when teamed with well chosen gear it will not only bring comfort to your ride it will extend the service life of your expensive gear.  :great:
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2018, 09:17:49 am »
I wear jacket, helmet, gloves, military steel toed Bates Boots, and jeans. And a lot of life insurance.

Has anyone tried kevlar jeans and if so do you like them?

Isn't their a kevlar mesh suit? Seagiant1 extolled the virtues of it Man, I miss Seagiant1...........

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2018, 02:18:37 am »
I wear jacket, helmet, gloves, military steel toed Bates Boots, and jeans. And a lot of life insurance.

Has anyone tried kevlar jeans and if so do you like them?

Isn't their a kevlar mesh suit? Seagiant1 extolled the virtues of it Man, I miss Seagiant1...........


What happened to Seagiant? Did I miss something?

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2018, 09:23:12 am »
The Kevlar fiber gear was from Motoport
http://www.motoport.com/

Haaven't seen a post from Seagiant1 in quite some time; that's why I miss him.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2018, 03:40:54 pm »
The Kevlar fiber gear was from Motoport
http://www.motoport.com/

Haaven't seen a post from Seagiant1 in quite some time; that's why I miss him.


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Harley guys always ask "aren't you hot?" when we stop. I hold it up so they can see through it and ask if they would be hot if they were wearing a screen door. Actually cooler with the moisture than they are with doodoo rags and sleeveless cut off Tshirts as their arms and necks slowly get redder as the ride goes on. Much under 68 degrees and I am diving in the bags for a long sleeve shirt though....that stuff gets chilly fast after a long day in the sun

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2018, 10:02:28 am »
I wear jacket, helmet, gloves, military steel toed Bates Boots, and jeans. And a lot of life insurance.

Has anyone tried kevlar jeans and if so do you like them?

I have yet to find a pair of jeans that will fit me because of my height.  I'm 5' tall and the ones I've tried are for taller people.  I've given up and so I ride with jeans.  I know Jorge would like me to wear something more protective but I'm fine with the jeans. 

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2018, 01:05:56 pm »
We are about 95% ATGATT, the 5% is wearing Kevlar Jeans but still wearing helmet, gloves, jacket and boots.

On long trips I wear a camel back with a 2 liter bladder, we fill it up it up with water and ice in the morning and ice it down at lunch. Helps keep us hydrated on longer trips. Also, started wearing a multi functional head gear / neck gaiter around my neck which I will soak with cold water at gas stops.

We also wear cycle gear Heat Out leggings under our riding pants and long sleeve wicking shirts under our jackets.

We are usually fine as long as we are moving, but once you get in stop and go traffic or an urban environment with heavy traffic, you will heat up. I've been know to pour water over my head and on my upper body and then gear up and go. It helps cool you down for a while.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2018, 09:01:48 am »
I wear jacket, helmet, gloves, military steel toed Bates Boots, and jeans. And a lot of life insurance.

Has anyone tried kevlar jeans and if so do you like them?

I have yet to find a pair of jeans that will fit me because of my height.  I'm 5' tall and the ones I've tried are for taller people.  I've given up and so I ride with jeans.  I know Jorge would like me to wear something more protective but I'm fine with the jeans. 

Irene

The motoport gear is expensive compared to off the rack apparel. But Irene, it is custom made to your size. The website shows a $200 pair of Kevlar fiber pants with a 4 year warranty. Says it looks like jeans. Might be worth your while to investigate. I once took a slide on asphalt (roller blade related) that left my jeans intact but took off 4 square inches of skin. Kevin from LI related a story where his jeans also remained intact on a slide but also lost skin........

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2018, 01:55:04 pm »
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The motoport gear is expensive compared to...

A couple years ago, I bought a Hit-Air airbag vest.  Like the Motoport gear, some would say that is expensive at over $500.  My wife had no issues with the family coming up with the money for it. 

Compare whatever cost it takes to get protective riding gear with one nights stay in the Emergency Room.  Or, weeks and months of healing.  It quickly becomes dirt cheap.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2018, 09:35:41 pm »
I wear jacket, helmet, gloves, military steel toed Bates Boots, and jeans. And a lot of life insurance.

Has anyone tried kevlar jeans and if so do you like them?

I have yet to find a pair of jeans that will fit me because of my height.  I'm 5' tall and the ones I've tried are for taller people.  I've given up and so I ride with jeans.  I know Jorge would like me to wear something more protective but I'm fine with the jeans. 

Irene

The motoport gear is expensive compared to off the rack apparel. But Irene, it is custom made to your size. The website shows a $200 pair of Kevlar fiber pants with a 4 year warranty. Says it looks like jeans. Might be worth your while to investigate. I once took a slide on asphalt (roller blade related) that left my jeans intact but took off 4 square inches of skin. Kevin from LI related a story where his jeans also remained intact on a slide but also lost skin........

Thanks for the info.  I'll look into it.

Irene

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2018, 10:25:48 pm »
Rode out to the coast this weekend and broke from ATGATT. When we left on Friday after work it was 92° out so I wet down my LD Comfort base layer before gearing up I used more water than normal and did my lower body as well, I was very comfortable when we left.
About 2/3 of the way as we neared the coast the temperature dropped about 30° and the water on my lower body with help from gravity and my wicking socks found its way into my boots.
At this point I was freezing and wet where I didn't intend to be and we where tenting  it so other than my jacket I was unable to get my gear dry until our return trip so all my around town riding had to be done in my jeans and hiking boots. Lesson learned! Nevertheless I was a very enjoyable time and met some great people.
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2018, 10:10:55 pm »
ATGATT for me.  The Hit-Air Jacket I have now does a great job moving air through it, better than my last
mesh jacket.  Riding pants are necessary anytime on the C-10, or my lower legs cook.  I'll confess I don't
always ride with 'riding boots', but I always have a steel tipped work boot on at least.

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must assess the risks, and decide on his/her own.  When I ride with a local cruiser group the
discussion comes up occasionally, and I don't preach or criticize...  but I defend my choices,
and it's usually a courteous discussion. 

Some quotes from Neil Peart from Rush: (GS Rider)

"I would never ride, even just around town, without full protective gear on. We could go back to what I was saying before about how a good training course sets you up from the beginning with a responsibility to yourself. When I see someone improperly dressed, wearing shorts and a T-shirt, I see it as a failure of imagination. They can't imagine what can happen. I cringe, because I can imagine what can happen to them and they seem unable to."

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and the third is worry. I try to avoid all of those as much as I can—especially pain."  <---  Very similar to my ATGATT Mantra..

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2018, 11:13:10 am »
It has been rather warm lately in rainy Seattle. Despite all that, I still wear my 2in1 riding jacket.
Riding boots is a must. Riding gloves (roper style) is a must.

Remember overheating is just as dangerous as hypothermia. Once stop sweating, it means body is overheated!
Seek cover, hydrate and rest.

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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2018, 01:15:41 pm »
Again, great feedback, thanks guys.

On the way back from the SE BTH, I hit the typical afternoon bursts and got soaked.  I was ATGATT with my IXS textile suit (well-vented) and didn't bother with the rain suit.  It dries fast and provides moisture on my climacool base layers.  Riding in the (usually) warm SE, this works for me without getting too cold.

One realization I did come to during the 750 m. is that wet gloves s__k!  Fortunately I knew I would get (real) wet at some point, so I took every pair I own...changed them 4 times.

Are wet gloves the first to get changed with most of you?
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Re: Are most COG members ATGATT?
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2018, 01:45:57 pm »
Have a question for the AGTATT crowd. btw, I am mostly, I wore jeans and didn't wear a back protector, neck roll or air vest. What I wonder is, how many of you wear either a 3/4 or modular helmet? And do you feel either makes you as safe as a full face. I still don't trust modulars, and since I see no modulars on the Snell 2015 list and DOT does not do a chin bar test, and I can't believe (In my little and damaged mind) that they are as safe. Again, going from my past, my Shoei chin bar cracked in an accident. If it had broken off, it, and possibly my lower jaw, would have been in my throat.gear for riding bikes. My wife is FF helmet, boots, gloves, Jacket and riding pants. I was FF helmet, t-shirt, jeans and boots until I met her. (On the street Racing I was all the gear, but then, I didn't wear a seatbelt in a car, but my race cars had 5 point harness) She got me always wearing the jacket and gloves also. Jacket saved my hide on the street.
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