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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2015, 02:06:04 am »
At least the driver of the car, William Crum of Granbury, TX, is no longer protected by anonymity and will probably pay at least a civil penalty.  Way too often these guys aren't ever caught.

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2015, 06:42:44 am »
Our channel 2 news showed the video and said the pillion was in ICU.
To take a lesson from this you have to take note of some things:
There was more road available on the left for the passing biker, he didn't use it all.
He even seems to be moving towards the car just before they hit, could it be perspective doing that?  The video in the NSFW thread is conveniently edited.
Anything, armadillo, whatever, could inspire a driver to swerve, any time.
Video biker's catching up could have inspired the other biker to pass at that time.
There's more, but I'm tired.  Just be aware that you CAN learn from other people's mistakes, it's allowed.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2015, 09:36:11 am »
Our channel 2 news showed the video and said the pillion was in ICU.
To take a lesson from this you have to take note of some things:
There was more road available on the left for the passing biker, he didn't use it all.
He even seems to be moving towards the car just before they hit, could it be perspective doing that?  The video in the NSFW thread is conveniently edited.
Anything, armadillo, whatever, could inspire a driver to swerve, any time.
Video biker's catching up could have inspired the other biker to pass at that time.
There's more, but I'm tired.  Just be aware that you CAN learn from other people's mistakes, it's allowed.
Driver admitted to swerving & hitting the bike, Never said anything about no damn armadillo  :-[ , Lesson learned is the driver is a douche bag  ::)
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2015, 09:47:38 am »
Yeah OK the biker made a bad pass in a double yellow. Normally this would be an infraction or at worst a misdemeanor depending on the speed.  (in Washington State 30mph over is reckless driving a misdemeanor) This does not justify attempted murder on the car drivers part. If not charged with attempted murder I'm sure a jury would convict on reckless endangerment. No misdemeanor is worth a person's life. That bonehead move by the old man could cost him everything he owns or will own until he dies. in a Civil Court I'm sure after the jury sees the video I bet they would award the motorcyclist and his passenger for medical costs and some punitive damages.

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Anything, armadillo, whatever, could inspire a driver to swerve, any time.

Yeah, cars serve over all the time when someone passes them.....if this were the case more cars would serve over when legally passing eh?

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2015, 09:49:26 am »
Sorry, but I'd have passed too. Likely fast enough the driver wouldn't have had time to react.

Me too.....but in the passing lane which was probably only a couple seconds away . Of course the driver should not have swerved into him and should be punished but people need to stop being so impatient on the road . I see near head on collisions all the time just because someone wants to go a little faster than me in my work truck and cant wait for a passing lane . Didnt look like they were headed to work or anywhere important so what was the damn hurry ?
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2015, 11:53:41 am »
According to this poll 30% of respondents think the riders got what they deserved....



http://www.wtvm.com/story/30290575/video-tx-driver-says-i-dont-care-following-accident-with-motorcyclist#WNPoll149774

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2015, 12:02:20 pm »
Sport Rider, there are guys with much more LE experience than me here, but I'll chime in.  Being in reserve law enforcement for a few years, I picked up a few things.  When the investigating agency - and county prosecutor - take their time and do not take a guy like this directly to jail, its not a good sign for him.  Very likely putting a deliberate case together and making sure their "t's" are crossed and "i's" dotted.  This is how it worked where I was.  Seeing as this now has over 2 million views, they know the country and motorcycle community will be watching. 

My .02, which is about exactly what my opinion may be worth here.

thanks for the reply.  I'm sure you're right.  I just have too little patience for people like this.    :-[
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2015, 02:28:15 pm »
old guy or not, i cant say that, in the heat of the moment, i wouldnt have, with knuckle protector equipped gloves on, just punched that old man right in the lips.

i mean, yeah, violence is not the answer, and wait for the cops, and all that...but like i said, in the heat of the moment...i would be ready to let him feel the same pain that the other rider was feeling from this guys actions.


just really distributing and arrogant.  i have been told stories of people like this who simply hate motorcycles so much, that they do this, whether you are passing on a double yellow, or just passing within normal highway driving.  Usually they dont look for, or target sport-touring style bikes.  but of course, you remove our cases, and most people cannot tell the diff between our beloved C14 and any other sportbike.  So i keep my head up for these types of people.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2015, 03:16:49 pm »
Hi,
       Hopefully with the vid as evidence he will get the max and have some time with "Bubba" to meditate on his actions! ;D

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2015, 07:24:14 pm »
According to recent reports on his arrest this guy has priors with "terroristic" behaviors. There is no excuse for this wanton callous regard for life. His man needs to be in jail. The example needs to be set. Enough!  No different than most of you here, I deal with callous self-righteous automobile drivers who behave as if they own and rule the road. Once in a car these individuals become animals protecting what they perceive as their turf. It is an ugly and deadly manifestation of the "ME, ME, ME" I'm special it's all about me attitude.  Personal responsibility seems to be a dead concept. Claim no responsibility have the insurance company and lawyers handle it.  I'm fed up with this. I've had no less than two road rage incidents with cars in the past two weeks, all due to idiotic drivers who are inattentive and preoccupied with themselves and no one else on the road.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2015, 07:37:30 pm »
Here is an article about Crum's previous encounters with he law: http://www.yourglenrosetx.com/article/20151019/NEWS/151019367

Sobering to think that someone would purposely try to end two lives, and have the mindset that he doesn't care. Unbelievable!

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2015, 01:30:53 am »
He probably wasn't thinking he would seriously injure them...or, even kill them...but, if he did...in his mind...they are only bikers...

It makes me shudder...

Just sayin...

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2015, 02:42:29 am »
Lets put him on a bike and swerve into him as see how he likes it. :pokestick:

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2015, 02:47:37 am »
Here is an article about Crum's previous encounters with he law: http://www.yourglenrosetx.com/article/20151019/NEWS/151019367

Sobering to think that someone would purposely try to end two lives, and have the mindset that he doesn't care. Unbelievable!


I posted similar on the other forum.
the true fact is, this oldfart has had numerous issues of violence, and also numerous arrests, and convictions... the last 3 were felony zone, and he spent time in jail.
Texas has had the "three strikes you're out" law since 1953 for felony convictions.... he should have been doing a minimum of 20 years on the last one...prior to this time...
this recent attack, and if taken to court, which it will be for certain, should result in strikes #4 & 5....
with that said, even if it was a first offense, the penalties would be 20 years per person injured, but compounded by the 3 strike law, this arse may get life... which is fine by me....

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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2015, 05:34:09 pm »
Given this guy might get whats coming...
Lesson:  Give all the space you can.

I was at the 2010? COG Nationals passing a car two up legally on a straight with good weather and visibility.  A critter ran across the road right as I was next to the car.  What do you think the driver did?  Yep swerved to miss the critter and almost took us both out.  If I had not given as much room as I could during the pass WE would have been dead or in pieces.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2015, 07:30:47 pm »
There is NO DOUBT that the car driver was wrong and malicious, even if he only wanted to scare the biker rather than hit him.  But let's also keep in mind that the rider illegally crossed the double yellow, and probably exceeded the speed limit to do what many car drivers would consider a "reckless act".  We all know it's wrong and it contributes to the reputation of "bad boys" that can lead to car/truck drivers trying to teach us a lesson.  I am sure, based on his verbal responses after the hit, that he thinks he did the right thing to punish an offender.  I hope he learns through the legal proceedings that he was WRONG and it is not HIS job to correct other driver's actions.  Let's all ride right and not provoke this kind of thing, we already get a bad rap just for being on two wheels.
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« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2015, 08:30:16 pm »
 :agree:  It's not his responsibility to enforce the law. IF he feels the rider(s) endangered the public he can report them to the "proper" authorities. His "use of deadly force" was totally unjustified.
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« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2015, 08:50:30 pm »
and sooooooo.....
the story gets even better........ :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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he's sooo screwed..... :great:

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2015, 10:07:58 pm »
  :o     WOW, simply amazing. Unfortunately their are too many folks similar to this person, out there. Not to mention way too many folks who are trying to kill you without even realizing it. Thank God for that camera. It didn't prevent this incident. But it might have prevented other events in the future.


Given this guy might get whats coming...
Lesson:  Give all the space you can.

I was at the 2010? COG Nationals passing a car two up legally on a straight with good weather and visibility.  A critter ran across the road right as I was next to the car.  What do you think the driver did?  Yep swerved to miss the critter and almost took us both out.  If I had not given as much room as I could during the pass WE would have been dead or in pieces.


I agree whole heartedly with Bob. When I pass vehicles (especially tractor trailers), I run far to the left very close to the white line and as reasonably swift as possible to limit my time in the extreme dangerous zone.

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2015, 10:11:31 pm »
  :o     WOW, simply amazing. Unfortunately their are too many folks similar to this person, out there. Not to mention way too many folks who are trying to kill you without even realizing it. Thank God for that camera. It didn't prevent this incident. But it might have prevented other events in the future.


Given this guy might get whats coming...
Lesson:  Give all the space you can.

I was at the 2010? COG Nationals passing a car two up legally on a straight with good weather and visibility.  A critter ran across the road right as I was next to the car.  What do you think the driver did?  Yep swerved to miss the critter and almost took us both out.  If I had not given as much room as I could during the pass WE would have been dead or in pieces.


I agree whole heartedly with Bob. When I pass vehicles (especially tractor trailers), I run far to the left very close to the white line and as reasonably swift as possible to limit my time in the extreme dangerous zone.

I go past em too fast to even think about it.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :nananana:
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2015, 07:02:03 pm »
According to this poll 30% of respondents think the riders got what they deserved....



http://www.wtvm.com/story/30290575/video-tx-driver-says-i-dont-care-following-accident-with-motorcyclist#WNPoll149774

Now it's down to 29% of idiots and masochist degenerates.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2015, 07:15:13 pm »
Being a transplant Coloradoan i have been privy to seeing this type of behavior first hand.
The ones that are showing aggression have some dull witted view of why you irritate them.
Passing in a double yellow for a motorcyclist is by and large a lesser evil than many perceive.
Is it right ? No.  does it freak people out? Yes, to the point of action apparently.
Will I stop doing it ? No, been doing it safely and within reason for too many seasons.

It's just ONE of the many calculated risks we take when throw a leg over.

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« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2015, 12:13:09 am »
Of my 82 mile round trip commute, over 20 miles are on two lane roads with a double yellow line pretty much the whole way.  The biggest risk to me is generally blind corners where 4 wheel vehicles going the opposite direction are cutting the corner.  Knowing that, I try and stay far enough to the outside of the corner and have a bail out plan in case I see grille coming towards me in the corner.  That, or the same corner may have loose gravel that have been dumped by road crews (marbles), oil, deer, whatever.  That's why I never get in too large of a hurry, happy to let an impatient car, redneck pickup, or Harley rider, pass me and go flying blindly into those corners.  There are too many idiots on the road to be taking those sorts of risks. 

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« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2015, 01:52:46 pm »
For what it's worth, my best 2 lane passing technique is this:
1. Hang back behind the slowpoke as far as I can, even to the point I've been passed by the guy behind me.
2. Drop to passing gear.
3. Build up speed behind the slowpoke until I reach a decision point.
4. If I have to, now's the time to hit the brakes and stay on the right side of the road, having a mellow moment behind the slowpoke.
5. If I reach the decision point and can still see plenty of passing lane, closing fast on the slowpoke, then I'll move left and hopefully pass him like a bat outta heck before he has time to do anything dumb.

I have to say, though, that I don't think I'm faster than cages on some of the twisty roads.  I don't want to risk dinging my head on those big trees where I've rarely seen a car or truck hurt badly at 2-lane speeds.  Just consider where you've seen those double skid marks compared to a bike's skid often meaning loss of balance.  Most of my twisty passing is around bicycles and dog walkers   :-O
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2015, 06:09:43 pm »
For what it's worth, my best 2 lane passing technique is this:


So does your passing technique apply to two lane roads with double yellow lines?