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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2015, 07:35:45 pm »
Tour1,  you are riding a Concours, right?  Your passing technique sounds like what I used to do in my '87 Nissan Stanza Wally Wagon while pulling my cycle trailer.  It had 90 HP, and its quarter mile could be timed with a sun dial. Hitting them in full gallop was the only way to pass.  Do you really need the running start to pass a slowpoke on your Kaw? 

While I understand the "get around them as fast as possible" philosophy, I prefer the opposite.  I only pass where I have visibility to know I can complete the pass, and when I do it, I take the car as sedately as possible.  First, I get in their left side mirror to let them know I'm there.  Then I put on my turn signal.  And then I use as little throttle as necessary to get the pass accomplished.  And I'll often give them the wave that says thanks for letting me by (even though they had no choice).  People are a lot less off put by a quiet pass than they are by an inline four on the pipe blowing by them.  I consider it good public relations.

To those who ask "what about if they do something stupid while you're meandering past them?", I propose that the faster you are going, the less abrupt your evasive maneuvers can be.  Braking and shifting lane position both take longer at higher speeds.  Obviously there are times when a quick blow by is called for.  But if I have my druthers, I want to leave as few hurt feelings as possible. 

I've been riding that way for 40 years, so it's either relatively safe, or I am extraordinarily lucky. 
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2015, 06:55:50 am »
Yes I have a Concours C10 but speaking frankly it sometimes scares me when I get on the throttle in low gear.  In high gear it isn't responding warp factors better than a Wally Wagon so I prefer to have my speed up.  It proves in advance of the pass that I can get the speed up, really a need to know item.  It's not like you lose a lap by failing, you can get stuck where you don't belong.
Kelly, there are times around here when tractors pull hay wagons on the road and even grape harvesters go crawling along from farm A to farm B.  Yes it is the law that one should not pass on a double yellow, but it takes a very long time for these guys to get where they're going sometimes.  Also you can expect the engineering to be about passing somebody going near the speed limit, 55 MPH on unmarked state 2-lanes in NY.  Town limits may be 30 MPH, usually without lines on them.  I think it's all been covered already.
The thing is the "other" lane is a more dangerous place and you don't have to beat the odds as much if you spend less time there.  I'm not sure it's better to be going faster if a cage attacks, but a surprise pass may be more likely to make the attack fail.
I'd like to see the location of the OP video on satellite, it could be enlightening for us observers.  I'd also want to be aware that at 20 MPH my Concours will have less than 1500 RPM in high gear, that downshift would be a critical part of the pass tactic.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2015, 08:02:20 am »
According to this poll 30% of respondents think the riders got what they deserved....



http://www.wtvm.com/story/30290575/video-tx-driver-says-i-dont-care-following-accident-with-motorcyclist#WNPoll149774


A valid reminder of who we are often sharing the road with.


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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2015, 10:46:51 pm »
While I understand the "get around them as fast as possible" philosophy, I prefer the opposite.  I only pass where I have visibility to know I can complete the pass, and when I do it, I take the car as sedately as possible.  First, I get in their left side mirror to let them know I'm there.  Then I put on my turn signal.  And then I use as little throttle as necessary to get the pass accomplished.  And I'll often give them the wave that says thanks for letting me by (even though they had no choice).  People are a lot less off put by a quiet pass than they are by an inline four on the pipe blowing by them.  I consider it good public relations.

+1, make the pass without being an a**.

 
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2015, 02:29:04 am »
CHA-CHING!

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2015, 09:27:52 pm »
Hi,
       Anyone know if this case went to court? :motonoises:
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2015, 06:44:16 pm »
I know that Eric Sanders (motorcyclist) was not charged.
Apparently in Texas it was found to be that the old man was going slower than speed limits and Eric and company had the right to pass.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2015, 07:22:37 pm »
Have there been any updates on the girl's condition?
I hope she's recovering well.
I know she didn't suffer this lightly.

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2015, 12:41:21 pm »
Have there been any updates on the girl's condition?
I hope she's recovering well.
I know she didn't suffer this lightly.
I follow Eric on Facebook and she is still in bad straight's.
As far as I know now she has limited use of either of her hands.
Not to mention other damages
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2016, 10:53:10 am »
That little 5' 1/2" guy is a bigger guy behind the wheel.  It looks like even if he has car insurance, the insurance wouldn't pay since it was a deliberate criminal action.  We can assume since he can't even post $15K bail, he does not have sufficient personal assets to pay the victims’ claims.  There will be little chance the victims can sue in civil court and get anything.  So in the end, those injured and property loss motorcyclists are screwed.  The only thing that they can hope for is that justice is served. 
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2016, 05:51:33 pm »
Maybe he'll get bunked with bubba.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #64 on: May 25, 2016, 11:45:27 pm »
Tour1,  you are riding a Concours, right?  Your passing technique sounds like what I used to do in my '87 Nissan Stanza Wally Wagon while pulling my cycle trailer.  It had 90 HP, and its quarter mile could be timed with a sun dial. Hitting them in full gallop was the only way to pass.  Do you really need the running start to pass a slowpoke on your Kaw? 

While I understand the "get around them as fast as possible" philosophy, I prefer the opposite.  I only pass where I have visibility to know I can complete the pass, and when I do it, I take the car as sedately as possible.  First, I get in their left side mirror to let them know I'm there.  Then I put on my turn signal.  And then I use as little throttle as necessary to get the pass accomplished.  And I'll often give them the wave that says thanks for letting me by (even though they had no choice).  People are a lot less off put by a quiet pass than they are by an inline four on the pipe blowing by them.  I consider it good public relations.

To those who ask "what about if they do something stupid while you're meandering past them?", I propose that the faster you are going, the less abrupt your evasive maneuvers can be.  Braking and shifting lane position both take longer at higher speeds.  Obviously there are times when a quick blow by is called for.  But if I have my druthers, I want to leave as few hurt feelings as possible. 

I've been riding that way for 40 years, so it's either relatively safe, or I am extraordinarily lucky.

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2016, 05:22:46 am »
We need to add a page so my passing habits aren't the 1st thing everybody sees when they click on this thread.
All the same, there is a period of time when the car you are passing is on your flank and he/she has the potential to hit the gas and keep you in the oncoming traffic lane until it's too late.  If you are already beyond their vehicle's acceleration ability you avoid that particular weakness.
I know a driver should not do that, yet the ticked-off old man might have tried that if the bike had gotten past him.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2016, 11:07:55 am »
We need to add a page so my passing habits aren't the 1st thing everybody sees when they click on this thread.

Don't sweat it, Tour.  With over 4,000 views on this thread, I suspect that everyone will only be hitting the "new" button instead of churning through 3 pages.  Besides, I never said your way is wrong; I just offered up my preferred method with the rationale behind my choice.

As far as the potential for someone speeding up on you, that is a very valid point.  But keep in mind, warp speed is just a bang down two and wrist roll away.  It won't help against a high performance car, but it will git-er-done for virtually everyone else.  And, of course, there is always the second alternative...  You can brake and dip behind them.  Think Tom Cruise in Top Gun...  "I'll hit the brakes and he'll fly right by".  In almost any situation, there is more one option available.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2016, 01:14:33 pm »
According to this poll 30% of respondents think the riders got what they deserved....



http://www.wtvm.com/story/30290575/video-tx-driver-says-i-dont-care-following-accident-with-motorcyclist#WNPoll149774


A valid reminder of who we are often sharing the road with.



Same 30% probably took the poll on the phone while traveling down the road. God help us  :truce:
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2016, 03:20:19 am »
"I only pass where I have visibility to know I can complete the pass, and when I do it, I take the car as sedately as possible.  First, I get in their left side mirror to let them know I'm there.  Then I put on my turn signal.  And then I use as little throttle as necessary to get the pass accomplished.  And I'll often give them the wave that says thanks for letting me by (even though they had no choice).  People are a lot less off put by a quiet pass than they are by an inline four on the pipe blowing by them.  I consider it good public relations."

Yep, this works for me, but after the wave, I accelerate and get moving.  Years ago had a friend who tried to pass a car and it turned left right in front of him as he neared the rear of it.  No turn signal.  Was tourists, taking in the scenery, oblivious to vehicles around them.

So I try to pass as fast as possible, but politely, with a wave.
 
Also, with headlight modulators, they seem to pick me up in their mirrors OK.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2016, 02:33:18 pm »
We need to add a page so my passing habits aren't the 1st thing everybody sees when they click on this thread.
All the same, there is a period of time when the car you are passing is on your flank and he/she has the potential to hit the gas and keep you in the oncoming traffic lane until it's too late.  If you are already beyond their vehicle's acceleration ability you avoid that particular weakness.
I know a driver should not do that, yet the ticked-off old man might have tried that if the bike had gotten past him.

Quite often (even when I'm in the cage), the "getting passed" party will speed up as I pass - it's as if by passing I've woken them up from their daydream and they realize they've been riding under the limit (whatever limit is in their head). I honestly believe this is frequently an unconscious action on their part. So many people drive in unconscious mode, rather than being attentive, so they "fill the gap" or "keep their position", etc.

So waking them up by passing can be risky - we need to wake them up before we pass.

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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2016, 03:25:32 pm »
People speed up all the time when you try to pass them. They do it on purpose. They are determining today's speed limit not you. My favorite is when you pass them and do 10 mph faster than they were going, they feel the need to get on your azz.
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Re: Biker passes on double yellow, and driver swerves into biker!!!!!
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2016, 05:44:02 pm »
F_ C-K'em, I drop 2 gears and hammer it when visibility permits, i figure the smallest window possible for the cager to react, the better.

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