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Offline oldsawfiler

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« on: September 22, 2009, 10:51:00 am »
Haven't seen anything about this here yet so I am posting a link to the TV news story.  About 30 bikes traveling together on I-5 involved in 1 big accident.  All Harleys  This Happened Fri afternoon just south of Portland WA on I-5.  Son and I were headed south to Portland Fri evening on I-5, but heard about it when we checked into our Hotel.  Had business in Portland or might have gone to Shasta. OH well.  http://www.katu.com/news/59789107.html    COG # 8062  AMA # 1084053  ROMA or Scarlet harlot acording to my wife
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 02:10:00 pm »
That is sad but seems to me if the first two lead riders missed the SUV then the rest of the riders were in to close a formation to not have time to stop.  Remember this when your riding in groups.  Photos[/url]
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 03:48:00 pm »
I wonder if the lead riders swerved then stopped, leaving the following riders w/nowhere to go.  
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 04:29:00 pm »
Interesting, it says  "Oregon State Police said the motorcyclists were riding in standard formation
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 04:32:00 pm »
A staggered formation still constitutes 2 columns.    IF they were riding the "standard", staggered formation a rider has about 2 seconds distance between the bike that is directly in front of them and 1 second's distance from the bike to their side. When you're travelling at 60 MPH you are covering 66 feet/sec. that doesn't provide a lot of reaction time or escape room even under ideal circumstances.      If one or two riders missed seeing the brake lights or some other cue then... .            
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 05:57:00 pm »
I live in Canby about 5 miles from the accident spot.  My wife and I got on I-5 going north at the next exit up from the accident about 5 minutes after it happened.  We listened to news reports that had people calling in that witnessed the accident and one person said the SUV had moved into the lane with the bikes.  Another witness said the SUV suddenly slowed or stopped.  I wonder if there was some bad judgement by the SUV to move into the lane without really having enough room.  Investigation is still ongoing.  Probably never know what actually happened.  

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 05:31:00 pm »
I would expect the State Police to refer to staggered formation. They should be well educated on safe riding.  
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 06:00:00 pm »
I never have felt safe with the staggered formation.  Your 2 second interval goes away real fast if the guy in front of you swerves in front of you.  

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 10:20:00 am »
+1, seeing the gay pirate brigades all bunched up gives me the willies. ;p    A motorman trainer pal wanted to ride alongside me, but I signaled him NFW. He may have the skillz to deal with it but I soitenly don't.  01 Conc, Mijami Floriduh  OTP 06: http:

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 11:43:00 am »
I like a 2 second separation from the bike next in sequence vs the one that is really 2 bikes from you.  More room.  Greg H from Mass, Connie Droppers Anonymous Awards Dude  COG# 7010,a Tracey  CDA 120 (2.0)  99 Connie "Herrin Christabelle", 05 Ninja 250  
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2009, 04:06:00 am »
that's why if I go to a benefit ride I give them my money & help out somewhere until everyone gets back from the ride as I don't like big group benefit rides & I will not do them anymore...    even riding w/ the COG is out of my normal element as I think more than 4 bikes is pushing the limit for me as a big group ride & like to be the guy at the back aka the group sweeper...    I do prefer to ride alone or w/ maybe 1 or 2 other guys that like to ride on the edge...  -----------------------------  Easy Does It, But Do It  09 Triumph Sprint ST aka The Phantom  05 Yamaha Road Star Midnight Warrior aka un-named
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 09:26:00 pm »
I've always liked keeping at least 3 or 4 second space in staggered.  Treat the next bike like he is directly in front of you.  More space equals a safer ride.      Side by side riding scares the hell out of me.    http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/djmarrs_bucket/VisitedProvincesMap2-1.jpg?t=1264819451

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 08:22:00 am »
  Two seconds is considered the minimum following distance for ideal conditions. When other factors come into play (rider skill level, group ride, road conditions, weather, etc.) an increased following distance is much more desirable.    Group rides add a completely different dynamic to the typical solo ride. Here is a link to the MSF Group Ride Quick Tip info:   http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/Group_Ride.pdf      --  Steve Smith, COG #3184  COG Northeast Area Director  (somewhere in south central CT)    If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 12:09:00 pm »
SS, Thanks for posting that link.  I've seen it before, but is a good reminder.  I will be hosting a ride in my area in a couple of weeks and will print and hand out the info.  "If it hasn't killed me yet, it's runnin out of time"    COG # 8062  AMA # 1084053  ROMA or Scarlet harlot acording to my wife
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 08:02:00 pm »
no problem...     As I wrote to someone else recently... Thanks for being an active COG member and organizing an activity. As more members do this we will have a plethora of choices throughout the riding season. Be sure to have your AD or AAD add the ride to the online calendar of events.    BTW - there are a few documents in the Ride & Rally How To... section of the online Member Library (from the Member Menu on this web site) you may want to check out that may provide additional information.   --  Steve Smith, COG #3184  COG Northeast Area Director  (somewhere in south central CT)    If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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