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Offline FTB530

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2019, 01:11:45 am »
GR, see reply #26. Apparently it's allowed, but not a law.

Ride safe, Ted

AB 51 makes it legal , not just allowed ! There are guidelines to follow or the rider or a car driver can be fined , you can google it if you want more info! I don’t do it though!

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2019, 03:08:13 am »
Ab 51 didn't make it legal, it just allows guidelines to be established. I did Google it. As posted above they now have been removed by the dot. In  CA. It is not illegal to share lanes. In many states it is.

You are overtaking and hit someone, you are at fault. You might not have moved sideways but you still hit her. An unsafe lane change would be if you were in the adjacent lane and she crossed over and hit you. Then it would be her fault. In your video it looks like the lane next to her is open.

Let's add to the hypothetical.  I think I saw her left arm out the window signaling a turn. Would that be a legal way to signal her lane change? Could you have seen it filtering by her on the right side of her car?

30 years ago in CA. I almost got smacked by a six pack when 2 cars from IL. tried to share as I filtered between them. They didn't expect someone to be driving between them.

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2019, 03:11:45 am »
GR, see reply #26. Apparently it's allowed, but not a law.

Ride safe, Ted
That is incorrect, lane sharing was codified in CA in August of 2016. It is the law.
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2019, 12:12:11 pm »
Ab 51 didn't make it legal, it just allows guidelines to be established. I did Google it. As posted above they now have been removed by the dot. In  CA. It is not illegal to share lanes. In many states it is.

You are overtaking and hit someone, you are at fault. You might not have moved sideways but you still hit her. An unsafe lane change would be if you were in the adjacent lane and she crossed over and hit you. Then it would be her fault. In your video it looks like the lane next to her is open.

Let's add to the hypothetical.  I think I saw her left arm out the window signaling a turn. Would that be a legal way to signal her lane change? Could you have seen it filtering by her on the right side of her car?

30 years ago in CA. I almost got smacked by a six pack when 2 cars from IL. tried to share as I filtered between them. They didn't expect someone to be driving between them.
Yea it is legal! You follow the guidelines you wont be cited by the LEO!

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2019, 06:15:43 pm »
Everything is legal until they make a law against it.  That's how a free society operates. 

Since for years, there was no law against splitting/sharing in California, it wasn't illegal.

If I recall correctly, the new law only defines splitting/sharing and allows the CHP to develop training and guidelines.  There are no codified rules, only guidelines.  If they needed to take an enforcement action, they would likely get you for reckless driving.

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2019, 05:59:17 am »
Update...bike is fixed and the other driver was found to be at fault. Her insurance company called and said they will reimburse all fees. To the righteous, pompous,  pontificating members who accused me of riding dangerously and causing the accident (looking at Lee & DC Concours), eat your words.
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2019, 11:17:55 am »
As a veteran lane-splitter with many many thousands of miles of lane-splitting (we call it filtering in the UK) under my belt, that was 100% the car drivers fault.
They failed to signal, failed to check if a lane-splitting motorcycle was approaching, and failed to check if the lane they wanted was clear.

That said, you do learn to read the cars and the overall situation when lane-splitting and whenever there is a bigger than car sized gap in either lane, I slow down as I assume a blind bonehead will try to swerve into it, always without signalling. Also, you should watch the cars front wheels as they cannot move sideways without the front wheels turning. Again this becomes a subliminal/peripheral vision thing after a while and I often brake without actually knowing why,... until the car moves across in front of me. Trust your instincts!!

If you have never done lane-splitting, you are not qualified to comment.
It is legal in much of the world and is done daily by hundreds of thousands of motorcyclists.
Yes, a few of us get knocked off, but if we are travelling at a sensible speed like Spartan was we rarely get seriously hurt.
When lane-splitting I rarely go over 30Mph and vary my speed according to the traffic flow, the space available, and the weather.
I also cover the front brake with all 4 fingers and always keep both hands on the bars.

In Countries and States where lane-splitting is codified in the law, the responsibility for avoiding an accident lies with ALL road users.
Too many car drivers falsely assume that they don't need to know what is going on around them and fail to stay aware of their environment, especially when they are in traffic.
No, the car driver is probably not gonna get hurt, and the motorcyclist probably will, but that is the choice the motorcyclist makes when they choose to lane-split, and when they choose to ride a motorcycle.

I got to see someone pee themselves when they got out of their car in a traffic jam on a motorway to remove their jacket, then looked up to see a motorcycle approaching rapidly. I stopped about 5 feet from him, the back wheel crashed to the ground, and I let loose a stream of consciousness tirade of abuse.
He really shouldn't have worn light coloured pants.  :rotflmao:
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2019, 11:19:27 am »
The most important thing here is your ok and well and can do what you enjoy ride again.

Spartan having not been in an area where lane splitting is legal.
Is there anything you could share from your experience that would benifit others here to prevent a collision?
« Last Edit: November 06, 2019, 04:42:55 pm by Sailor Rich »

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2019, 11:34:13 pm »
Boomer hit on a lot of points that make sense. Be aware of your surroundings, open spots are dangerous because cagers may not see you speed and pace are important.
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2019, 03:50:40 am »
Not for me; to each her/his own. Be safe/careful out there ... a lot of variables at play!
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2019, 04:48:39 am »
Update...bike is fixed and the other driver was found to be at fault. Her insurance company called and said they will reimburse all fees. To the righteous, pompous,  pontificating members who accused me of riding dangerously and causing the accident (looking at Lee & DC Concours), eat your words.
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2019, 09:44:11 am »
Not for me; to each her/his own. Be safe/careful out there ... a lot of variables at play!
I would never try to force someone to do it, as it is dangerous and very stressful.
At the same time it can be as exhilarating as carving a twisty road and getting every corner just right.  :great:
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2019, 11:18:16 am »
Boomer may have covered one point of view, supported by local traffic and the jurisdiction he’s acquainted with, and I think it is fair to say that most riders even when they are in their cages try to keep an eye out for other riders – but still I get surprised by bikes that cross behind me, pop out of my blind spot and wiggle through the next hole in traffic… in DC rush hour traffic where everyone is inching along at less than 25mph and jockeying to get into the correct lane for their destination, any rider has to be so careful because they are just one more moving target in  sea of moving targets… At least in the DC area, when I used to commute 750 miles a week, I was never brave/impatient/impulsive enough to split lanes (isn’t legal anyway…), but I see braver souls than me do it all the time – some seem to be quite skilled at it, others seem to think it is a game, all are taking a huge risk that someone will (look up from their cell-phone and) see them before they get nudged into a metro-bus, or dump-truck (etc., both of which occupy a lot of already narrow lanes).  I will always try to let them through, but man, many times they must think I have eyes in the back of my head…
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2019, 05:09:44 am »
Props to you for staying up. Just remember a little horn never hurt anyone.

You're going along and you need to make your presence known.

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2019, 09:59:35 pm »
can we safely say the outcome has been revealed, everyone was safe, un hurt; some person will be paying higher insurance rates now because of the action of someone else, and everyone is entitled to their own belief of what is "allowed vs. smart" with respect....
I ask the mods to end this, and only because many of us do not think we should be running in between cars at 30 mph, simply because "you have a right to do so"..many states feel it's un safe, mine does. I feel it's kinda stupid to do, and when something happens as a result, you try to sue the pants off the "offender".  split lanes in non moving traffic.. fine... split lanes when traffic is moving at walking pace.. again ..fine, but justifying it all, and running between cars which ARE moving at 30 mph or more... get a grip.  slow down, smell the roses, live longer, don't do things that may make your spouse a widow.

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2019, 02:29:15 am »
Well, there is no "right to do so," it's just that it's not unlawful IN THAT STATE.  There is a difference.
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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2019, 05:13:42 am »
I watch YouTube videos of motorcycles in india and i think it's very entertaining to see that wild life. And I've never really seen rage with all that commotion.
That being said I don't have any experience at all driving in that much traffic even in a car.
I know legislation is out in different places for this particular topic but if I pondered it as to my local situation I think I would break the law and lane split if it meant me stopping on a hill or splitting and getting to a flatter spot.
Then again who knows. I pulled the bike out of storage and rode all day and half the time I stopped at lights I was seldom stopped straight hah! I'm going to have to winterize all over again.

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2019, 05:48:03 am »
Sorry, no one is eating any words here. You clearly hit the lady, and she being flummoxed and in a momentary state of panic gave up her right to a trial by unwittingly admitting to something that was obviously not her fault. So, it was an easy win for you. If that accident was with someone like me or mob you wouldn't be singing the same tune.

Anyway, at the end of the day it seems no one was hurt and that is a good thing.


Update...bike is fixed and the other driver was found to be at fault. Her insurance company called and said they will reimburse all fees. To the righteous, pompous,  pontificating members who accused me of riding dangerously and causing the accident (looking at Lee & DC Concours), eat your words.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 05:59:18 am by DC Concours »

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Re: Sideswiped on the Highway
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2019, 03:11:47 pm »
Topic is now closed, a reminder to be civil and it appears that since fauit was found in the driver, this topic has run its course. Multiple moderators agree on this. :beerchug:

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