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Offline Thud300

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2016, 03:01:32 am »
One time, 'safe and reasonable" was 100 mph between Billings and Deadwood  ;D
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2016, 12:42:43 pm »
The fact sheet referenced is a classic case of statistical manipulation using incomplete data.  It presents a partial list of data, and then uses the incomplete data to make conclusions which are not really supported by that true but incomplete data.

The information that is missing, and extremely important, is whether aging is the cause of the higher accident rate, or not.  The facts given are used to imply that this is a cause and effect relationship, however that is never proven to be the case.  Using such limited data to establish cause and effect is no more valid than showing that a higher percentage of motorcycles now are blue, and concluding that blue causes accidents.

There may be other significant factors affecting the higher accident rate.  The riding experience level, the type of riding, and the type of motorcycle all have an effect on accident rate, but these factors are not addressed by the author.

I'm not claiming that average age is not important, and there may be a cause and effect relationship here, but that conclusion is definitely not proven by the limited data presented by this fact sheet.

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2016, 09:55:13 pm »
Oh well yes officer.  At that moment I was in a Vermont state of mind.  And back there in town I was feeling all California. 

I like the west Texas state of mind too.  Is there any other states with 80mph roads any more?


Yep.  Idaho has 80 mph limit on parts of the interstate.

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 04:34:13 pm »
I always thought it was "Reasonable and Prudent". At least that's what Rich Reed's rally in Ennis MT used to be called. I was able to go to all three.




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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2017, 07:30:54 pm »
On the first page I see these 2 "facts":

2. One of every three drivers in America is now over 55 years of age.

8. Recent data show that of the more than 57,000 drivers involved in fatal crashes
annually, more than 10,000 of those were over 55 years of age.

Check my math here but 1/3 (lets call it 33%) of the drivers are 55+. But only 17.5% of the drivers involved in fatal crashes are 55+. This particular statistic would imply 55+ drivers as better drivers than average. Like someone else pointed out correlation and causation are 2 different things.
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