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MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« on: December 04, 2010, 04:14:14 am »
Some recent studies have shown that as the average age of motorcyclists has increased, so has the number of rider mishaps.  This fact sheet from MSF may help enlighten and inform the seasoned riders on the forum.
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 06:50:35 am »
 From what I read the title is misleading.
 'Should be 'Older Riders'?
 Seasoned' makes me think of experience.
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 12:45:08 pm »
That's 'Political Correctness' for ya... I'll take mine with a little vinegar and some freshly ground black pepper!


Or, maybe they want to differentiate from riders who are older, but new to riding?
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 02:58:13 pm »
Nope., they're just talking about our aging population.  Years in the saddle aren't taken into account.  There are a lot of reasons for the increase in deaths that are most likely simply tied to our getting older as a people (United States).  In 1980 when the average age was 24, the majority of the people on the road were closer to 24 and hence better suited to the task of operating a motor vehicle.  Today, the average biker is 41 and the average age of all motorists is likewise up.  Add to the mix that older folks (yeah, we geriatric bikers too) are more likely to die from the same injury that a 24 year old might survive and you can automatically see the primary reason for this polls results.  Toss into the mix cell phones, more crowded roadways, etc. that have occurred since 1980 and you get even more of the picture.  It's just plain dangerous out there ffolks and we're not getting younger.  If we WANT to get older (stay alive) then we have to be better than we've ever been... despite the fact that our reflexes, our judgement, our physical abilities, and our ability to take a hit are not what they once were.

And yeah, Willy's right, they're just trying to euphemize the language and not call us "Old Farts" that they used the "nice" term, "seasoned".  Now about those fries... this Old Fart's gettin' hungry.   >:D
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 04:31:21 pm »
I knew I didn't feel as safe on the road for some reason.  I just figured it was because I was surrounded by dumb asses.
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 06:40:18 pm »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 07:24:20 pm »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D

I would never purposely break the law!  :))

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 09:53:16 pm »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D

I would never purposely break the law!  :))

I don't do it on purpose, it is a case of forgetfulness............ >:D
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 09:59:23 pm »
I knew I didn't feel as safe on the road for some reason.  I just figured it was because I was surrounded by dumb asses.
Mmmm fries.

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 10:42:51 am »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D

Passing on the double yellow is legal in some states, like VT.
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2010, 11:02:12 am »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D

Passing on the double yellow is legal in some states, like VT.

That's one of the reasons that I do love Vermont!   :))

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2010, 12:27:22 pm »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D

Passing on the double yellow is legal in some states, like VT.

I wouldn't know anything about that  ;D
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2010, 03:07:11 pm »
Oh well yes officer.  At that moment I was in a Vermont state of mind.  And back there in town I was feeling all California. 

I like the west Texas state of mind too.  Is there any other states with 80mph roads any more?
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2010, 04:45:17 pm »
And in retrospect I was dreaming about Montana
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 11:49:08 pm »
Montana is a great state to ride in. Last time I was there I was doing 85+ between Billings and Butte and I had a state motor cop pass me and wave. It was at that moment I knew that Montana was something special. :D
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2010, 10:30:12 am »
Oh well yes officer.  At that moment I was in a Vermont state of mind.  And back there in town I was feeling all California. 

I like the west Texas state of mind too.  Is there any other states with 80mph roads any more?

Yes we have a couple of roads with no speed limit at all here in NH... One in Louden called New Hampshire Motor Speedway, another one in Epping called New England Dragway...  ;)
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2010, 08:38:38 pm »
Montana is a great state to ride in. Last time I was there I was doing 85+ between Billings and Butte and I had a state motor cop pass me and wave. It was at that moment I knew that Montana was something special. :D

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2010, 12:18:41 am »
From what I read the title is misleading.
 'Should be 'Older Riders'?
 Seasoned' makes me think of experience.
 Thinking now about seasoned curly fries.  :D

You know I love seasoned curly fries too, but the salt gives me heartburn.
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2010, 10:35:05 am »
Montana doesn't have the "safe and reasonable" speed limit anymore.  They were forced into complying with everyone else by the feds.   >:(

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 02:39:01 pm »
I thought that happened years ago with the 55 mph speed limit.  I thought there was a mandate for compliance in order to receive highway funds from the Fed. Or was it changed more recently?  OR was it changed, then changed back, then changed again?





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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2011, 08:25:41 pm »
It's been a good number of years.

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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2011, 02:44:51 pm »
Yeah, here's what I just found in Wikipedia and I still am not exactly sure what I am reading. LOL

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Montana and Nevada were the last remaining U.S. states relying exclusively on the basic rule, without a specific, numeric rural speed limit prior to the National Maximum Speed Law of 1974 {I think this is referring to the "safe and reasonable" deal}. After repeal of Federal speed mandates in 1996, Montana was the only state to revert to rural daytime speed limit, beyond the Basic Rule {I'm not following this "beyond the Basic Rule"comment too well, can anyone clarify?}. After the Montana Supreme Court decided that the Basic Rule was too vague and therefore violated the due process requirement of the Montana Constitution., Montana's legislature imposed a 75 mph (121 km/h) limit on rural freeways in 1999, although the same wording in the basic rule remains.

 
Sometimes the term Basic Rule is in caps denoting a proper noun and other times it is not.  It appears they did something in 96 "beyond the Basic Rule", which I assume means they posted a daytime speed limit that had an actual number, but then in 99 they changed that number either up or down to be 75 mph.  Someone needs to clean up the Wiki's language on this one so that it is clearer, methinks.
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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2011, 02:13:00 am »
The primary traffic violations committed by me are speeding and passing on a double yellow   ;D


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Re: MSF Seasoned Rider Fact Sheet
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2012, 06:50:29 pm »
Yeah, here's what I just found in Wikipedia and I still am not exactly sure what I am reading. LOL

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Montana and Nevada were the last remaining U.S. states relying exclusively on the basic rule, without a specific, numeric rural speed limit prior to the National Maximum Speed Law of 1974 {I think this is referring to the "safe and reasonable" deal}. After repeal of Federal speed mandates in 1996, Montana was the only state to revert to rural daytime speed limit, beyond the Basic Rule {I'm not following this "beyond the Basic Rule"comment too well, can anyone clarify?}. After the Montana Supreme Court decided that the Basic Rule was too vague and therefore violated the due process requirement of the Montana Constitution., Montana's legislature imposed a 75 mph (121 km/h) limit on rural freeways in 1999, although the same wording in the basic rule remains.

I seem to recall the "basic rule" during daylight hours anything under 100 (in rural areas) is not going to get you "noticed" by the MSP, AND the tickets are somewhere in the neighborhood of $15.00 if they do "notice" you, if you get caught being "stupid" driving to fast through a City or Town (even on the freeway) your in trouble and it WILL cost you. I could be mistaken though, I'm not a Lawyer.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2012, 01:24:26 pm »
Yeah, here's what I just found in Wikipedia and I still am not exactly sure what I am reading. LOL

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Montana and Nevada were the last remaining U.S. states relying exclusively on the basic rule, without a specific, numeric rural speed limit prior to the National Maximum Speed Law of 1974 {I think this is referring to the "safe and reasonable" deal}. After repeal of Federal speed mandates in 1996, Montana was the only state to revert to rural daytime speed limit, beyond the Basic Rule {I'm not following this "beyond the Basic Rule"comment too well, can anyone clarify?}. After the Montana Supreme Court decided that the Basic Rule was too vague and therefore violated the due process requirement of the Montana Constitution., Montana's legislature imposed a 75 mph (121 km/h) limit on rural freeways in 1999, although the same wording in the basic rule remains.

 
Sometimes the term Basic Rule is in caps denoting a proper noun and other times it is not.  It appears they did something in 96 "beyond the Basic Rule", which I assume means they posted a daytime speed limit that had an actual number, but then in 99 they changed that number either up or down to be 75 mph.  Someone needs to clean up the Wiki's language on this one so that it is clearer, methinks.

Montana and Nevada did not have a maximum stated speed limit, the 'Basic Rule' law was 'safe and reasonable'. Very subjective, someone could be thrown in jail for going 45, or if they knew the judge, maybe they could argue 120 was 'safe and reasonable' and get away with it. Starting in '74, and prior to '96 there was a Federal law requiring states to enforce a maximum speed of 55. It was repealed in '96 and between '96 and '99 Montana did not have a specific maximum speed limit, just the Basic Rule of 'safe and reasonable'. In '99 the Montana court ruled that was too vague, and Montana enacted a maximum speed limit of 75.

At least that's how I read it, sounds pretty clear to me.  :beerchug:
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