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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2015, 12:42:26 pm »
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Good one.  I am interested in what happens when the self driving cars become more than a rare experimental occurance.  At some point will our bureaucrats decide motorcycles are too dangerous, since they can't self drive?  Then they will try to make them add outriggers or a third wheel.   :-\
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2015, 01:53:18 pm »
Soon it won't matter....they all will be driving themselves!

When my bike starts driving itself, it better get a job so it can buy it's own fuel too. And it can damn well move out and find it's own garage too, I'm not supporting it anymore.

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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2015, 07:11:40 pm »

When my bike starts driving itself, it better get a job so it can buy it's own fuel too. And it can damn well move out and find it's own garage too, I'm not supporting it anymore.

Thats funny raht thar I doncare who yare  :D
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2015, 07:24:25 pm »
Gray Honda at fault for unsafe lane change.

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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2015, 08:37:43 pm »
Right lane is exit only. I wondered that myself, had to go watch the vid again, but you can see the sign clearly just before it happens.

That white van was gettin' off in an awful hurry... 'cause it was rippin' down than exit lane...   :whoo:
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2015, 09:16:46 pm »
I could be wrong but IMO the guy with the go pro moved to the right of the car in front of him. Grey van figured traffic was loading up and reacted right when the Go Pro rider did. Not realizing how fast white van was coming, didn't see it or just reacted right caused the white van who never saw Go Pro rider blocked by the grey van was forced to merge to the right of the van in front of him and was approaching to fast and figured grey van moves right his only option was the shoulder. He never should have hit the brakes once he committed. Guy with the Go Pro should stop talking and pay better attention during rush hour traffic. Why was he along side the cars rear quarter panel in the first place? Way too many distractions for the pace of traffic and amount of vehicles. Tell you the truth the grey van might have saved your a**. Or did the sound of brakes stop the Go Pro rider from going into the right lane. Still trying to figure how he ended up along side the car in front and why?

I watched it again:
at 1:34 the white van sees Go Pro acting weird and moving right so white van gets real right against the rail. At 1:37 grey van starts merging right because he has no clue what Go Pro is going to do. White van is committed and reacts with brake and gets by. Final conclusion IMO is Go Pro acted odd by pulling right and was already driving way too fast. 75 at one point. Other drivers did not want to be around as Go Pro was in a bad spot on the right of the car and unpredictable. Pushed everyone behind Go Pro to the right. Go Pro at fault. IMO 


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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2015, 11:17:07 pm »
ConcoursKZ, if you watch video again, and analyze it, you will see what happens.  I have watched it 7 times.  The bike moved along side car in front so the van wouldn't rear end him.  Watch his right mirror, and you can see the van coming, and locking brakes, at which time Go Pro moved to right of car in front, and buddy moved to shoulder to left of lane trying to avoid getting hit.  He made some mistakes, but the grey van IMHO was not paying attention at all.  Honda Van didn't notice the traffic in front of him slowing and stopping, or thought he was going to clear the white van.  For all we know, the white van might have seen him trying to get in front of him, and accelerated so that couldn't happen.  Any which way, the biker was not the one not paying attention at time of slow down, and not at fault for accident. 
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2015, 02:02:44 am »
ConcoursKZ, if you watch video again, and analyze it, you will see what happens.  I have watched it 7 times.  The bike moved along side car in front so the van wouldn't rear end him.  Watch his right mirror, and you can see the van coming, and locking brakes, at which time Go Pro moved to right of car in front, and buddy moved to shoulder to left of lane trying to avoid getting hit.  He made some mistakes, but the grey van IMHO was not paying attention at all.  Honda Van didn't notice the traffic in front of him slowing and stopping, or thought he was going to clear the white van.  For all we know, the white van might have seen him trying to get in front of him, and accelerated so that couldn't happen.  Any which way, the biker was not the one not paying attention at time of slow down, and not at fault for accident.

+1!!! I thought I was like watching a different video or something the way some of the guys beat up on GoPro dude. Granted he was not perfect but I do not think he in anyway caused this accident. If you really think about it what was preventing the van from seeing the line of cars stopped also ? Two bikes? He I can see around two bikes when I'm in a car. Not like it was a truck blocking vision. Anyway I'm with you Dan. I couldn't have said it better! 
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2015, 12:42:22 pm »
I know this section of road. It is a 2.88 mile connector between 2 major roads: I-95 and Merritt Parkway (RT-15).  The riders were headed NW towards RT-15. The roadway splits towards the end:  left lat RT-15 south and right lane RT-15 north. Just beyond where this incident occurred the lanes are marked with solid white lines. The left lane typically has more vehicles and gets backed up and comes to a stop because vehicles knowingly stay right and cut in left at the split crossing solid white line.  Accidents are common on this road in both directions. The incline of the road does limit some visibility of traffic ahead.

Ignoring everything else, when did the rider perceive stopped traffic and react by applying brake?  Did It appear the riders braked aggressively in order to stop? (possibly due to speed or distraction) Even before the brake squeal is heard the lead rider’s front tire appears to be very close and nearly alongside the vehicle in front of him. Clearly the Honda van also did not see the backed up traffic and was surprised by the aggressive braking of the riders. In Connecticut where this happened, the van would be "at fault" had there been a rear-end collision.

No matter who's at fault, in most crashes involving a motorcycle and a car/truck the motorcycle does not fare as well. Does fault really matter when you are critically or fatally injured? Whether "at fault" or not, riders need to take responsibility for their own safety the best they can. These riders performed several unsafe acts and IMHO need to mature a bit. Good street strategies for motorcyclist should include: 1) Ride distraction free and aggressively search well ahead for potential hazards;  2) Always have sufficient following distance; 3) Do not slow/brake abruptly because other traffic most likely cannot brake as quick; 4) Consider the street is not the track or other controlled environment and driver/rider behavior is not always predictable.
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2015, 01:22:27 pm »
Very well stated Steve.  I live near Baltimore/ DC area.  My biggest gripe, cage or bike, too many people stop way to close to the person in front of them, and all it takes is 1 person like that van to cause a bad day for everybody.   Either form of transportation, I always keep my distance from stopped traffic, at least 2 if not more car lengths, and can't stand the idiot behind me putting my life at risk less than 2 feet from my rear fender.  When I get them, I leave even more in front, to give me my esacape.  I also always check my mirrors, even when stopped every 2 seconds or so, and pay attention to the cars stopping behind me!!!!   

2 Years ago, here in Hagerstown, MD, we had a gentleman on a Harley, stopped for a light behind a Jeep Cherokee.  A drugged up driver with two small children had been driving eratic for about 2 miles, hard acceleration, hard brake, every 100 ft or so.  He was on a hard acceleration when he hit the rider on the motorcycle.  Motorcyclist was pinned under rear axle of the Jeep Cherokee.  They kept him alive long enough for his family to say their goodbyes, but technically was dead on impact.  The eratic driver fled the scene, claiming his small children were freaked out. In our great county, in 27 years, they have never been able to make a vehicular manslaughter conviction stick :truce:  Really really sad!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2015, 06:10:41 pm »
I know this section of road. It is a 2.88 mile connector between 2 major roads: I-95 and Merritt Parkway (RT-15).  The riders were headed NW towards RT-15. The roadway splits towards the end:  left lat RT-15 south and right lane RT-15 north. Just beyond where this incident occurred the lanes are marked with solid white lines. The left lane typically has more vehicles and gets backed up and comes to a stop because vehicles knowingly stay right and cut in left at the split crossing solid white line.  Accidents are common on this road in both directions. The incline of the road does limit some visibility of traffic ahead.

Ignoring everything else, when did the rider perceive stopped traffic and react by applying brake?  Did It appear the riders braked aggressively in order to stop? (possibly due to speed or distraction) Even before the brake squeal is heard the lead rider’s front tire appears to be very close and nearly alongside the vehicle in front of him. Clearly the Honda van also did not see the backed up traffic and was surprised by the aggressive braking of the riders. In Connecticut where this happened, the van would be "at fault" had there been a rear-end collision.

No matter who's at fault, in most crashes involving a motorcycle and a car/truck the motorcycle does not fare as well. Does fault really matter when you are critically or fatally injured? Whether "at fault" or not, riders need to take responsibility for their own safety the best they can. These riders performed several unsafe acts and IMHO need to mature a bit. Good street strategies for motorcyclist should include: 1) Ride distraction free and aggressively search well ahead for potential hazards;  2) Always have sufficient following distance; 3) Do not slow/brake abruptly because other traffic most likely cannot brake as quick; 4) Consider the street is not the track or other controlled environment and driver/rider behavior is not always predictable.

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Re: Near miss - what do you think caused it?
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2015, 06:17:09 am »
I saw the bikes pass the gray Honda minivan and assume the white full size van did also.
There was that glare section that might have hurt everybody's ability to see ahead from that part, they were likely off the throttle in the glare then accelerating coming out (my typical behavior).  I think the Honda was likely using cruise control and going the limit at 55 while the others were going 10 or 15 over, again just guessing.
My perception from riding in trucks and driving them, is the white van slowed after passing the Honda, which couldn't see past it to the slowdown ahead.  Honda then moved left expecting clear road ahead but had to panic stop, with or without a last-minute bike sighting.  I've seen a lot of bad moves by drivers close up behind an obstruction like the white van.  Usually it's moving right that causes the trouble but left can do it I'm sure.
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