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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #75 on: July 27, 2015, 01:35:34 am »
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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2015, 06:36:35 pm »
If it's good enough for Rossi I guess it's good enough for me!
As for insurance rates that's more a factor of population, vehicles per miles of roads, etc. 
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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #78 on: September 23, 2015, 03:38:42 am »
Just my two cents. How can you not wearing a helmet affect my safety? I was riding with a group of mixed motorcycles. The Harley guys (7 of them) were all helmetless, the sportbike guys (2) were wearing ATGAT. While riding down a stretch of highway a dump truck coming from the opposite direction blew sand and debris off of the road and into our lane. The lead harley rider was struck by debris that got into his eyes and he slammed on his brakes (rear brake lol) causing a chain reaction accident taking out 4 riders. While I anticipated this, in the ensuing mayhem, I was almost taken out. Driving is a privilege, not a right.

So your following too closely (causing the accident) was the lead riders fault?

What if the lead vehicle was a car, and it hit a 2x4 in the road and slowed down aggressively and you hit it from following too closely? Would it be THEIR fault for hitting the 2x4?

See, your logic fails.

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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2015, 12:46:33 pm »
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Just my two cents. How can you not wearing a helmet affect my safety? I was riding with a group of mixed motorcycles. The Harley guys (7 of them) were all helmetless, the sportbike guys (2) were wearing ATGAT. While riding down a stretch of highway a dump truck coming from the opposite direction blew sand and debris off of the road and into our lane. The lead harley rider was struck by debris that got into his eyes and he slammed on his brakes (rear brake lol) causing a chain reaction accident taking out 4 riders. While I anticipated this, in the ensuing mayhem, I was almost taken out. Driving is a privilege, not a right



So your following too closely (causing the accident) was the lead riders fault?

What if the lead vehicle was a car, and it hit a 2x4 in the road and slowed down aggressively and you hit it from following too closely? Would it be THEIR fault for hitting the 2x4?

See, your logic fails.

JimBob, you need to read it again.  He wasn't involved in the accident, much less the cause of it.  He avoided it by staying observant and being back far enough for evasive maneuvers.  The accident was caused by the lead rider getting dirt in their eyes and their reaction to that event.  The point being, that if the lead rider had a full face helmet he would have avoided the problem entirely and there would have been no accident.  What you posted contained zero "logic".
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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2015, 01:09:06 pm »
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Just my two cents. How can you not wearing a helmet affect my safety? I was riding with a group of mixed motorcycles. The Harley guys (7 of them) were all helmetless, the sportbike guys (2) were wearing ATGAT. While riding down a stretch of highway a dump truck coming from the opposite direction blew sand and debris off of the road and into our lane. The lead harley rider was struck by debris that got into his eyes and he slammed on his brakes (rear brake lol) causing a chain reaction accident taking out 4 riders. While I anticipated this, in the ensuing mayhem, I was almost taken out. Driving is a privilege, not a right



So your following too closely (causing the accident) was the lead riders fault?

What if the lead vehicle was a car, and it hit a 2x4 in the road and slowed down aggressively and you hit it from following too closely? Would it be THEIR fault for hitting the 2x4?

See, your logic fails.

JimBob, you need to read it again.  He wasn't involved in the accident, much less the cause of it.  He avoided it by staying observant and being back far enough for evasive maneuvers.  The accident was caused by the lead rider getting dirt in their eyes and their reaction to that event.  The point being, that if the lead rider had a full face helmet he would have avoided the problem entirely and there would have been no accident.  What you posted contained zero "logic".

it's not zero logic.  his point is if people weren't following too closely, the accident could have still been avoided.  motorcycles in groups are notorious for following too closely.  Regardless of helmets or not, accidents happen.  all should be prepared and in position to avoid incidents.  for the record too, I have gotten foreign objects in my eyes while wearing a FF helmet.  while it may have helped in this case, I don't consider it the solution to the root cause of the accident.  Just my opinion, of course.  :)

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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2015, 05:33:13 pm »
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his point is if people weren't following too closely, the accident could have still been avoided.

I agree that people following too closely or riding side by side, is an accident waiting to happen.  The way he worded his answer though made it sound like he thought the person who wasn't even involved in the accident was the one who caused it by following too closely.  That was the point of my zero logic comment.

Probably a problem here with what is meant versus what is typed.  If we were sitting around discussing it, while drinking a beer none of this typing and misunderstanding would have happened.   :beerchug:
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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2015, 05:36:59 pm »
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his point is if people weren't following too closely, the accident could have still been avoided.

I agree that people following too closely or riding side by side, is an accident waiting to happen.  The way he worded his answer though made it sound like he thought the person who wasn't even involved in the accident was the one who caused it by following too closely.  That was the point of my zero logic comment.

Probably a problem here with what is meant versus what is typed.  If we were sitting around discussing it, while drinking a beer none of this typing and misunderstanding would have happened.   :beerchug:

I agree, or we coulda just arm wrestled to see who was right.   :rotflmao:

after enough beers, most guys think that's a good idea.   :-[

(I'd lose that for sure!!!!)   :D

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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2015, 11:05:37 pm »
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Just my two cents. How can you not wearing a helmet affect my safety? I was riding with a group of mixed motorcycles. The Harley guys (7 of them) were all helmetless, the sportbike guys (2) were wearing ATGAT. While riding down a stretch of highway a dump truck coming from the opposite direction blew sand and debris off of the road and into our lane. The lead harley rider was struck by debris that got into his eyes and he slammed on his brakes (rear brake lol) causing a chain reaction accident taking out 4 riders. While I anticipated this, in the ensuing mayhem, I was almost taken out. Driving is a privilege, not a right



So your following too closely (causing the accident) was the lead riders fault?

What if the lead vehicle was a car, and it hit a 2x4 in the road and slowed down aggressively and you hit it from following too closely? Would it be THEIR fault for hitting the 2x4?

See, your logic fails.

JimBob, you need to read it again.  He wasn't involved in the accident, much less the cause of it.  He avoided it by staying observant and being back far enough for evasive maneuvers.  The accident was caused by the lead rider getting dirt in their eyes and their reaction to that event.  The point being, that if the lead rider had a full face helmet he would have avoided the problem entirely and there would have been no accident.  What you posted contained zero "logic".


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While I anticipated this, in the ensuing mayhem, I was almost taken out. Driving is a privilege, not a right

He (and especially the other riders) were following too closely, if there was an "almost". Doesn't matter if the situation was caused by a car, an MC, a Stanley Steamer, or Winnie The Pooh.



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Re: Those pesky helmet laws.
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2015, 06:55:00 am »
If you ever encounter an accident caused by Winnie The Pooh, please, for the love of God, pull over and take pictures!
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