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Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« on: September 22, 2017, 04:03:12 pm »
I am new.to.sport touring and come with loyalty and a love of American V twins unfortunately no one offers an American sport touring machine. My dream would be to see Harley Davidson mix the V-ROD motor with Buell DNA and throw in a little Road King to build such a machine.
Well hopes of seeing something like this may be closer to reality as Rumor Has It Harley has put in a bid to purchase Ducati.
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 05:19:12 pm »
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 05:29:21 pm »
... unfortunately no one offers an American sport touring machine.

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 04:58:22 am »
A few years ago, Harley made a machine they called the Street Rod. It was based on the V-Rod, but was more a standard naked bike. It's a nice looking bike, with the V-Rod engine.
They make a new Street Rod, but it's based on the new 750, so not the same as the older version. Not too many around, but they're out there.

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 01:44:29 pm »
Maybe Indian could make one based on the Scout Motor.  I test drove one and it was very impressive, power wise.  I'm still hoping that they will come out with a Sport Scout.  I think a street legal version of their dirt track bike might have a market.
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2017, 02:43:32 pm »
Maybe Indian could make one based on the Scout Motor.  I test drove one and it was very impressive, power wise.  I'm still hoping that they will come out with a Sport Scout.  I think a street legal version of their dirt track bike might have a market.

The Scout being a powerful little water cooled has been on my radar as far as an American sport touring power plant as well.

... unfortunately no one offers an American sport touring machine.

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That Motus looks bad a** for sure but thinking price looks to me like it would be north of a BMW, just out of the question for the most of us.
Kawasaki did it right with the Concours by taking something that was Elite and bringing it to the masses. Like I said the Motus is badass but affordability would have to come second to Quality in an American built sport touring formula.
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 02:54:18 pm »
Maybe Indian could make one based on the Scout Motor.  I test drove one and it was very impressive, power wise.  I'm still hoping that they will come out with a Sport Scout.  I think a street legal version of their dirt track bike might have a market.

The Scout being a powerful little water cooled has been on my radar as far as an American sport touring power plant as well.

... unfortunately no one offers an American sport touring machine.

The Motuses (Motii?) sound awful too.  I heard one at Barber two years ago.

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That Motus looks bad a** for sure but thinking price looks to me like it would be north of a BMW, just out of the question for the most of us.
Kawasaki did it right with the Concours by taking something that was Elite and bringing it to the masses. Like I said the Motus is badass but affordability would have to come second to Quality in an American built sport touring formula.
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 08:08:54 pm »
They say the new Fat Bob is probably the closest to a sport bike. The 2018 Fat Bob running on the new and much improved soft tail platform, is vastly improved. I watched a review that had a guy that rides an FZ09 giving it very good reviews (called it a sport bike) I guess the suspension, handling, lean angles, brakes and power with the 114 motor is noticeably better in all aspects. Now I doubt it's going to run with an R1. But it looks really good to me.

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 04:55:08 am »
...affordability would have to come second to Quality in an American built sport touring formula.
That's the myth that doing a bad job or building a lousy product is cheaper than doing a good job or building a nice product.  Just imagine how much faster you can assemble an engine when you don't have to use a round file to get half the holes to line up.
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 06:38:26 pm »
get an XR1200 and outfit it for tour use.  here's a simple example with hard cases.  add a top case.  perhaps a top case.

I used to sport tour on my VX800.  loved the torque even if not hugely powerful.  This 1200 should be heads and shoulders above my old VX.

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 11:15:54 pm »
...affordability would have to come second to Quality in an American built sport touring formula.
That's the myth that doing a bad job or building a lousy product is cheaper than doing a good job or building a nice product.  Just imagine how much faster you can assemble an engine when you don't have to use a round file to get half the holes to line up.


This is why I despise VW/Porsche. Now it's decades ago so surely things have changed, but I remember trying to put a NEW waterpump on a VW and the holes wouldn't line up - had to file them to get it to fit. Talk about crap.


I've seen similar problems with American cars through the decades - bolts/threads that strip when you first remove them, or subframes so weakly mounted that you can't maintain an alignment (lookin at you, Ford).

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2017, 02:10:23 pm »
...affordability would have to come second to Quality in an American built sport touring formula.
That's the myth that doing a bad job or building a lousy product is cheaper than doing a good job or building a nice product.  Just imagine how much faster you can assemble an engine when you don't have to use a round file to get half the holes to line up.


This is why I despise VW/Porsche. Now it's decades ago so surely things have changed, but I remember trying to put a NEW waterpump on a VW and the holes wouldn't line up - had to file them to get it to fit. Talk about crap.


I've seen similar problems with American cars through the decades - bolts/threads that strip when you first remove them, or subframes so weakly mounted that you can't maintain an alignment (lookin at you, Ford).

You know the current owner of Ducati is VW. :great:
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 01:37:42 am »
Can Harley build an ST bike?
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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 11:16:53 am »
It's not whether or not they could.  But will they?  At the moment they don't need to.  Cruisers and tourers are their bread and butter.  And they do them extremely well.  So why try to bridge the gap for a niche market?

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2017, 01:03:22 pm »
It's not whether or not they could.  But will they?  At the moment they don't need to.  Cruisers and tourers are their bread and butter.  And they do them extremely well.  So why try to bridge the gap for a niche market?

Because the cruiser and tourer market is dying of old age.
If the parents of today’s kids don’t ride, what will drive the future market?
They’re already clearing a spot in the museum for today’s ICE motorcycles.

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Re: Could we see a Harley Davidson sport touring bike?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 01:24:25 pm »
problem is Harley riders don't want a ST style of bike.  they have tried other styles/types of bikes in the recent past and they have gone by the wayside.  it will be interesting to see if they try to build a future market base other than trying to draw younger people to the v-twin cruiser/tourer world.
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