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Help, viewpoints wanted please
« on: May 10, 2018, 10:57:14 am »
First: yes I know I'm all over the place.

I have a 2002 C10, and I want a new motorcycle. I'm looking at a new 2017 C14 and I've PM'd a member selling their 2016 C14.  I also saw a 2014 Honda CTX1300 at a local dealer that I personally like.  Found the deluxe model of that bike in MD for just under $9K, 2014 brand new, never sold.

I've had Honda's before, a 2000 VT1100C2  and a 2005 Sabre 1100.  First bike was a 1988 VTX800.  My real concern with the CTX 1300 is that they were made only year, second concern is that this bike has like zero miles and is a 2014.

This is my second Connie and I really like it, but I'd like a more relaxed riding posture.  I primarily use my motorcycle for commuting and occasionally pleasure riding (like last years National).

I guess I'm saying I want something comfortable that I can commute on easily and that is fun to ride on the rare occasions I actually go somewhere specifically for motorcycle riding?  My first Connie got treated to the Tail of the Dragon in 2005, would like to go again someday.

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2018, 11:52:19 am »
I looked at the CTX 1300 briefly when it came out new. It seems to be one of those one of a kind bikes that either speaks to you or not. What turned me off was the cruiser like seating and the "organic"styling that screamed "no resale" value. But  of course, it also just might turn into one of those "one in a generation" bikes that turns out to be highly collectible. Bottom line is that  it was not right for me at the time because we ride two up a lot. The C14 and 2008 wing both take care of that. Now I have trouble deciding which to ride on a given moment.  ;D

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2018, 05:45:16 pm »
Ron, what was no good about 2-up on the CTX?


Been a while since I looked at them, I thought they had a good setup for 2-up, at least on the 1300 (but I really don’t remember). That and I’ve never even sat on one - sounds like you have.

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2018, 06:49:33 pm »
I (sorta) looked into the weight capacity and without digging deeply it looked like we'd exceed the capacity. Don't remember what it  is, but at the time when ATGATT, I'd go about 280# plus my pillion who also rides ATGATT. With loaded bags at about 15-20# each, we would be way over the limit.  No idea  Seems like the limit was 410#. I know the C14 is about that, too, but maybe I just ready for it. The Goldwing is 417# or so. Just hated to push it. We'd ridden the C-10 okay, so I thought the C-14 would be okay. It is.
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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2018, 08:41:19 pm »
GKreamer, everyone has their own likes/dislikes on a bike.
I looked at the CTX and didn't like the styling.
     {I thought the bike would be more of a Touring or grocery getter than a sport touring}...
You said it was a 1 year production so I suspect it wasn't a big seller....

"But" others love it and there may be a following?.
  So, maybe there is a CTX Forum you can check out?

NOTE: You've ridden a C-10 and a C-14.
          You know your riding preferences..
           Before you go any further, I recommend doing a test ride on the Honda.
               Preferably one that goes a reasonable distance..
          As you ride, consider not only the feel, but also does it do what you want....

That ride will help you make your decision..

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2018, 09:41:35 pm »
For what it's worth, I bought a 2008 Goldwing to go with the C-14. Oddly enough, it feels somewhat like a big fat long C-10 (if you can imagine a bigger, fatter, longer C-10). I guess it's the weather protection and more "stately" acceleration compared to the C-14.
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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2018, 10:06:34 pm »
For what it's worth, I bought a 2008 Goldwing to go with the C-14. Oddly enough, it feels somewhat like a big fat long C-10 (if you can imagine a bigger, fatter, longer C-10)
When I'm on the C-10 it's definitely fatter...

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2018, 11:51:16 pm »
While the ergonomics of the CTX are quite different from the ST1300, the engine is basically the same although tuned for even more low end power (if possible) and less on the top end. It will be like night/day compared to your C10 (I had two of them before the ST1300). Not that it's a bad thing, there is more power where you are more likely to use it most of the time for the kind of riding you perhaps intend to do. Most of the folks over on the ST owner's forum were not impressed with the changes in the engine mapping or the ergonomics, but that's a biased group given the "Sport Touring" theme most bought the current bike for. The mechanical/powertrain platform should be bulletproof as the ST's. Love the smoothness and quiet of the V4.
Suggest you try one out before dropping the cash. Suspect you would enjoy an ST 1300 more than you would the CTX over time.
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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2018, 08:53:54 am »
I too was interested in the CTX1300 BEFORE Honda released it. Then I got close to one. Honda priced it in the 15ks as if it were competing with the sport tourers or big baggers yet it's refinements were minimal. No electronic windscreen, nor heated grips, is a 5 speed, heavy, bags are ridiculously small and single year warranty. Seems priced right now under 10k.

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2018, 11:32:53 am »
I too was interested in the CTX1300 BEFORE Honda released it. Then I got close to one. Honda priced it in the 15ks as if it were competing with the sport tourers or big baggers yet it's refinements were minimal. No electronic windscreen, nor heated grips, is a 5 speed, heavy, bags are ridiculously small and single year warranty. Seems priced right now under 10k.

Agree, less useful features (love my power adjustable w/s) than the discontinued ST's. Except on the 5 speed part. I was very leary going from the 6 speed C10 to something with "only" 5 and it took a fair amount of convincing from a fellow COG'er not to worry. The ST's are "just" 5 speeds also, but Honda has the gear ratio spreads so well done/matched to the great torque of the V4 and the final drive ratio makes for lower high gear cruising rpm than the C10. On my C10's I always wanted the SISF "7th gear", with the ST I've found myself on occasion forgetting to shift up to fifth. Five cogs are all that are needed when the power/torque "curve" is so broad and the gearing is well thought out.
Only way to find out if it's "the one" is to go ride one.
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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2018, 02:35:50 pm »
  For what it's worth, my riding partner bought a 2014 CTX 1300, the only year it was made, and rode it for about 4 months and grew to hate this motorcycle. He said the suspension was terrible, it was way under powered, the turning radius was extreme and he was never able to get comfortable on the bike.
 He paid $16,000 new and when he traded it in, after 4 months and 8,000 miles, he only got $8,000.  That is how much he disliked this motorcycle.
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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2018, 03:39:21 pm »
Thanks for the replies!  I've never bought a motorcycle from a dealer before, so is it common to not be allowed to test ride?

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2018, 04:10:42 pm »
Unfortunately, because of insurance, (squids), etc, that is often the case.
But, sometimes you can be more convincing.

ie; Show up on your bike, let them know your not a squid.
     Let them know your financially responsible, and will go elsewhere to buy.
     Lastly, say; I'm interested, but I will not buy, without some sort of test ride.

If they refuse, find another shop.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2018, 04:50:21 pm »
Thanks Ted for the info, appreciate it!

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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2018, 06:38:10 pm »
"Show up on your bike, let them know your not a squid." ::)

I resemble that. :o It's especially important if your in No f--k VAg--a :-X . Seriously, when I purchased my C14 we settled on the price then I asked about a test ride before signing or doing any paperwork. When the salesman said "That's not going to be possible" my answer was no test ride no sale. 10 minutes later I was following him toward the freeway on the C14.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2018, 07:45:22 pm »
"Show up on your bike, let them know your not a squid." ::)

I resemble that. :o It's especially important if your in No f--k VAg--a :-X . Seriously, when I purchased my C14 we settled on the price then I asked about a test ride before signing or doing any paperwork. When the salesman said "That's not going to be possible" my answer was no test ride no sale. 10 minutes later I was following him toward the freeway on the C14.
Growing up in tbe DC area (and having a grandad, dad, uncle and later FIL all serve in the USN) I always thought squid=sailor.  NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE!!  But I looked it up on urban dictionary:

A young motorcyclist who overestimates his abilities, boasts of his riding skills when in reality he has none. Squid bikes are usually decorated with chrome and various anodized bits. Rear tyres are too wide for their own good, swingarm extended. Really slow in the corners, and sudden bursts of acceleration when a straight appears. Squids wear no protection, deeming themselves invincible. This fact compounds intself with the fact that they engage in 'extreem riding'--performing wheelies and stoppies in public areas. Squids wreck alot. Derived from 'squirly kid'

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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2018, 09:18:34 pm »
Unfortunately, because of insurance, (squids), etc, that is often the case.
But, sometimes you can be more convincing.

ie; Show up on your bike, let them know your not a squid.
     Let them know your financially responsible, and will go elsewhere to buy.
     Lastly, say; I'm interested, but I will not buy, without some sort of test ride.

If they refuse, find another shop.

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2018, 03:06:15 am »






Growing up in tbe DC area (and having a grandad, dad, uncle and later FIL all serve in the USN) I always thought squid=sailor.  NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE!!  But I looked it up on urban dictionary:

A young motorcyclist who overestimates his abilities, boasts of his riding skills when in reality he has none. Squid bikes are usually decorated with chrome and various anodized bits. Rear tyres are too wide for their own good, swingarm extended. Really slow in the corners, and sudden bursts of acceleration when a straight appears. Squids wear no protection, deeming themselves invincible. This fact compounds intself with the fact that they engage in 'extreem riding'--performing wheelies and stoppies in public areas. Squids wreck alot. Derived from 'squirly kid'


No offense taken. :)
In fact your definition still sounds just like any young and dumb sailor (Squid). :))



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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2018, 12:27:46 pm »
"Hey",,, I resemble that remark.  :-\

I was once, a young and dumb sailor (Squid).   :great:
Now, I'm an old and dumb retired sailor.

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2018, 03:57:19 pm »
The ST's are "just" 5 speeds also, but Honda has the gear ratio spreads so well done/matched to the great torque of the V4 and the final drive ratio makes for lower high gear cruising rpm than the C10.


This is a very good point Jetta.


More low rpm torque over a shorter RPM range means fewer gears required (and one gear can cover a broader range of MPH because of that torque being able to produce sufficient HP at lower RPM).


More gears are used with engines that have a smaller range of peak power, to keep the engine in an RPM range where it’s actually producing power.


In the end - if the trans is well-matched to the engine performance, you won’t notice a “missing gear”. Of any company out there, I believe Honda would do a great job of matching (they don’t make much “pretty”, but what they do make tends to work well).

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2018, 10:25:44 pm »
"Hey",,, I resemble that remark.  :-\

I was once, a young and dumb sailor (Squid).   :great:
Now, I'm an old and dumb retired sailor.

Ride safe, Ted

So now we can call you DR. Squid?

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Re: Help, viewpoints wanted please
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2018, 10:32:33 pm »
No success in test riding, but I did get to sit on a used CTX1300 and I fell in love with how it feels.  Much more relaxed position, and I don't think braking would push me forward and bother my shoulders like I'm noticing on my C10.

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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2018, 02:11:48 pm »
try another dealer. i absolutely refuse to buy a bike without a test ride. ive bought 8 bikes from dealerships, 4 int he past 5 years. Ive had them try that BS with me as well. they have to cover testrides on their insurance, they just don't like to do it.


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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2018, 04:47:45 pm »
Thanks.  I have financing already, so I figure if I walk in there with a bank draft that needs me to fill in the price and dealer name then sign, and I refuse w/o a test drive they'll cave.