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Time to start looking...
« on: March 30, 2012, 02:42:59 pm »
My fellow COGgers, I need some advice. As most probably remember, I sold my beloved 2006 Connie when I made a drastic life change and moved to GA. As my finances settle in and the costs get paid, I will start on my search for my next motorcycle...and I have a whole lot of mixed feelings...

I am a relatively new rider, only starting my motorcycling addiction about 5 years ago. Connie was my first motorcycle, and the only other one I had ever driven was the Nighthawk 250 I trained on at the MSF course. So, not a lot of experience to pull from.

Here is my problem: I absolutely love the seating position of the Connies, both the C10 and C14. I feel I am ready for a bigger motorcycle, the C10 was starting to feel a bit small to me. Since their release, I have always wanted to upgrade to the C14. I like the way it looks, sounds, and feels. But after that tech day a few weeks back, when after hours of wrenching we never even saw the engine...well, I am starting to think it may not be the best pick for me in my current living conditions. Although I now have access to a garage, I can't store it in there, I could only use it during the day on the weekends; so, long term wrenching projects can't happen. I am a bit surprised at the amount of work needed just to get to basic components, especially on a bike designed for touring. I would hate to have to pull a spark plug on the road, holy cow! And I can't afford to get the dealership to do all the work, either...unless my MegaMillions investment pays off...

So...

I need some advice on a C14 class motorcycle, with as close to the same seating position (feet under butt, torso mostly upright) that doesn't require so much effort just to maintain. Bags would be nice, but not a primary consideration, I usually just strap a duffle on when I tour anyway. I would prefer something modern with fuel injection, but biggest consideration is low maintenance and comfort (seating, not necessarily environment, so minimal fairing is fine, maybe even preferred). Sport bikes seem a bit more accessible, but a lot less comfortable...I think I am looking for what used to be called a "standard" motorcycle, although I am really not interested in a v-twin...The only other motorcycle I have tried on was a V-Strom, and it felt good, but I don't know if that is really a step up from the C10...

Thanks for any suggestions ya  may have. I am sure it will be fun just looking and trying them on for size, but it would help to limit the searching to something relevant. :)
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 03:09:12 pm »
The two main competitors to the Connie is the Yamaha FJR or the Honda ST 1300.  Both are fuel injected with an upright feet under you seating position.  I am sure both would need an aftermarket seat to be comfortable, but many stock bike seats are just plain horrible.  BMW also has many bikes that would fit your needs, but I know hardly anything about them other than they are expensive.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 04:59:25 pm »
Dont forget the Moto Guzzi Norge as a competitor to the C14, FJR, ST.  Sorry to add confusion to this topic,  but the Guzzi is worth considering based on your parameters.   

Guzzi's are built on the premise of direct, simple, proven design and technology.  Much of the mechanics havent changed over the years,  Fuel Injection has been added,  but the same simple engine design, CARC shaft drive and braking systems have been employed across the lineup.

Parts are and service are more challenging to find, but the simple design and common parts make it a breeze to maintain, service and repair when needed.

Norge:   http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2007-MOTO-GUZZI-Norge-1200-Gt-100656015
Breva:   http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2008-Moto-Guzzi-Breva-1200-Sport-102570552
Older Centauro:  http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/1998-MOTO-GUZZI-CENTURO-102952852

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 05:19:02 pm »
Consider a Bandit 1250 with optional bags and lowers.  if your riding is 1-up, it might be a good choice.  I prefer the body of the older 07 and 08 models than the new ones.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 05:55:23 pm »
Joe,

I will only speak from my own experience. About a year ago I made a transition from 2005 C10 to 2004 R1150RT and have no regrets. I don't fix my bike because of lack of space and time but many owners who service their RT’s themselves claim the RT is not an overly complicated bike. All sport-tourers have plastic to remove before you get to the engine so the RT should be comparable. Here is my review of both bikes: http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,25906.msg96917.html#msg96917 There is an additional post on page two of this thread which I wrote after one year and 15K of riding the RT. Please contact me if you have any questions or need any additional info. Hope this will help you to make an informed decision.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 05:57:33 pm »
Take another look at the DL1000 (Vstrom). It is way ahead of the C10 in technology and is physically a larger bike but lighter.
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 07:24:36 pm »
Most of the bikes similar to the C14 (FJR, ST1300)are going to have tupperware complications.  If I understand you correctly, what you are looking for is less fairing, but as big or bigger bike.
 
The first thing that comes to mind in the "similar" category, but less faired in would be Triumph 1050 ST (used) or 1050 GT (new/newer).  Depending on the year some are more forward leaning than others and would require risers.  The motor is a triple and sounds awesome. In a similar vein, consider the Bandit.  There is a Suzuki promotional deal going on right now that gives you about $1200 or so worth of factory panniers and top box for a $299 (? a deep discount anyway)  The Bandit is more upright than the Sprint and has been around forever.
 
The next model you might want to look at  is not usually considered as a sport tourer but is often used by their owners as such, the VFR 800 or newer VFR 1000. Awesome, throaty sounding, tried and true V4 motor.  You can get both factory and aftermarket panniers for them and I've seen prisitne four and five year old examples with panniers on CL in the $7k range.  Again might require risers.

If you are thinking even less faired than these, look at a more standard style Honda Superhawk 919, or at the other end of the spectrum, Triumph America or even bigger Thunderbird. Cruiser vibe but upright ergs, and not faired at all.  More like riding a heavy Bonnie than a Harley or Harley clone.  There are three Triumph dealers in Georgia, two in or near Atlanta, and the third I believe is in Athens.

If you haven't discovered WOW Motorcycles in Atlanta, just Google it, and get yourself down there to see one of the largest selections of used bikes ever.  You should be able to narrow down your search there.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 07:37:58 pm »
Another possible option could be a Bandit 1250.  I've never owned or even ridden one, but I was seriously considering one before I decided to go with a dedicated sport tourer.  The FZ6 or FZ1 is another in the same class as the Bandit and might work for you.
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 10:07:44 pm »
Hi Joe. Yeah, I watched the valve adjust attempt, too and had the same reaction. Really like the bike, don't like the complexity.

When I was looking for the Connie I drooled over the V-Strom 1000. It's tall and as powerful as the Connie C-10. Throw in some aftermarket bags and a taller windshield and you're about in the same class. That will be where I go (probably) if I upgrade. 

Check out a dealer in Dahlonega GA  (www.ridershill.com) if you want to look at Guzzi's and usually a good selection of consignment bikes as well as new Guzzi's and Aprilias. They're on Hwy 9 north of Dahlonega and those folks are very nice. They have a good tire shop and a big crowd on Saturdays. The seem to have better prices than WOW, but that's close to you on 41 in Marietta north of the Big Chicken. If you go to Rider's Hill, talk to Dave. He works the showroom and rides an ST1300 and came off a C-10.

I looked at the Bandit and liked it...but you're three inches taller than me and it felt too small for me.

WOW has huge selection so you can look at lots of options in one place. Ride on!
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 10:25:08 pm »
Thanks for all the input, I look forward to shopping soon!

Some of the riders at work turned me on to WOW, I am going to check that out very soon and get some ideas of costs and fittings. I am hoping to buy something within the next two months, judging by the new paycheck. I am in serious need of my therapy. ;D  :motonoises: :motonoises: :motonoises: :motonoises: :motonoises:
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 01:09:49 am »
Another to consider is the Kawasaki ZRX 1100 (1999-2000) or 1200 (2001-2006) They don't sell them new in the U.S. anymore so it would be used and there not F.I. but mine has never failed to start perfectly. There are after market bags available to add on if desired. And in excellant shape can be had for 3-4 grand. Seating position is very close to the Connie. This is a pic of my 1100, which is for sale by the way. ;) to bad we're so far apart.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 12:58:34 pm »
 I sold my BMW K1200GT last week and I will recommend NOT to buy that model. Too many inherent problems that are expensive fixes. I had originally intended to replace it with a Yamaha Super Tenere, but instead, a really nice '08 C-14 with only 2000 mi. dropped in my lap and I couldn't resist. Anyway, the Super Ten has factory bags available, LOTS of leg room, and 24,000 miles between valve checks. It really seems suited to a tall rider, even though a taller windscreen will no doubt be needed. I test rode one and REALLY liked it. Whenever I can afford to get another bike for the stable, the S10 will be it.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 05:37:32 pm »
Excuse my while I do the flame suit.....    Have you ever ridden a cruiser??  I have both my trusty C-10 and my Yamah Tour Deluxe...   If I had to choose one, it would the Yamaha....  Don't get me wrong, I love the connie, but...

Let me caveat...  I live in Kansas, i.e. no twisties.   I can't seem to want to ride more than about 300 miles on the connie at one time, but I rarely tire on the cruiser (Could be the barcalounger riding position?? who knows).   My connie is my commuter, better weather protection, better fuel economy, and I don't feel compelled to wash it. 

Now if I am traveling to see the sights or two-up it will be Yamaha every time, but I have ridden just to ride twisties, and it is expenentially more fun on the C-10.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2012, 12:33:16 pm »
+1 on the SuperTenere from Yamaha.  My best friend commutes 104 miles per day (on track to do about 18000 miles this year) and bought the S10 about a month ago.  He passed on the factory tour bags due to price and is looking for the more industrial aluminum boxes from the aftermarket, so saved a little money.  The SuperT is a  brand new model for this year so will be in the $14k to $15k range depending on accessories.  My friend traded his Honda ST1300 with about 100,000 miles on it and absolutely loves the new SuperTenere.  He said he didn't know why he didnt make the switch sooner.  It'll go straight and do the twisties and is super comfortable.  He is 6'2" about 200lbs.  Hope this helps
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2012, 12:40:56 pm »
You being a big guy, think again about a V-Strom.  I am 6'-5", and it is the most comfortable bike I've been on.  And it is a huge step up from a C10 in terms of ride comfort, braking performance, as well as suspension.  Lots of aftermarket luggage options, suspension and braking upgrades if you desire, as well as some foot peg lowering brackets that are well thought out and work extremely well.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2012, 11:49:49 pm »
Another to consider is the Kawasaki ZRX 1100 (1999-2000) or 1200 (2001-2006) They don't sell them new in the U.S. anymore so it would be used and there not F.I. but mine has never failed to start perfectly. There are after market bags available to add on if desired. And in excellant shape can be had for 3-4 grand. Seating position is very close to the Connie. This is a pic of my 1100, which is for sale by the way. ;) to bad we're so far apart.

The ZRX1200 has a great engine, lots of mid-range torque.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2012, 12:01:36 am »
+1 on the SuperTenere from Yamaha.  My best friend commutes 104 miles per day (on track to do about 18000 miles this year) and bought the S10 about a month ago.  He passed on the factory tour bags due to price and is looking for the more industrial aluminum boxes from the aftermarket, so saved a little money.  The SuperT is a  brand new model for this year so will be in the $14k to $15k range depending on accessories.  My friend traded his Honda ST1300 with about 100,000 miles on it and absolutely loves the new SuperTenere.  He said he didn't know why he didnt make the switch sooner.  It'll go straight and do the twisties and is super comfortable.  He is 6'2" about 200lbs.  Hope this helps

Those look like cool bikes! 1200cc parallel twin with shaft drive, 6 gallon tank. I don't like the high exhaust but I can see why the did it that way. It looks tucked in a lot better than other bikes with similar routing.

Spoke wheels because of lightness? More flexible maybe? Peculiar tire sizes (110/80R 19 front, 150/70R 17 rear) but that may be SOP for adventure tourers.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2012, 03:11:04 pm »
Joe, bag up a VStrom. Go ride one and then farkle it out. Bullet proof engine and price/performance is great.

Triumph Tiger might be a good second option. Bob Wilde is pretty tall like you and he tears it up on that bike.

The Yamaha Tenere' is also a good option if you want to spend more cake.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2012, 04:26:32 pm »
Take another look at the DL1000 (Vstrom). It is way ahead of the C10 in technology and is physically a larger bike but lighter.

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Joe, I know you're a BIG guy, so the DL650 might not be up to your power desires, (althought I think it would be adequate you might want/need the extra oomph of the DL1000).  Check out the new 2012 DL650 it has been changed somewhat.  I am SOOOO happy with my 2007 ABS Wee-Strom I hardly ride my 2003 Connie anymore.  I have two sets of luggage for the Wee, and with the Givi 460E trunk box and the E36 side cases, I have MORE storage than the Connie, and easier on/off. I have 58,000 on the Connie (51,000 are mine) and 30,000 on the Wee (all mine).  I love the upright seating position, and I am one of the few who don't mind the OEM seat.  I had trouble with the stock windshield, but I actually cut down my old Connie 'shield and it works perfectly. I'm about 1/2 your size, 6'1" and about 190 lbs and I have done some 400 mile days on my Wee without strain.  55 MPG doesn't hurt, either.

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2012, 07:09:39 pm »
I appreciate all the feedback. :)

The most recommended seems to be the DL1000, which I have actually sat on before and does seem more comfortable than the C10 was for a tall person like me. Moving up in power/class isn't really THAT important to me, but I am a big dude (over 300lbs).

I like the way the Bandit looks, but it seems to be more of a forward leaning seating position. The Super Tenere looks really neat, although I am not crazy about spoked wheels...purely for aesthetic reasons. And I don't think I could afford one anyway.

Going to look around a bit, WOW only had 1 DL1000. Keeping my eyes open.  >:D
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2012, 11:14:23 pm »
Look for the Stromtroopers website. They've got a classified section like our Emporium and these come up on that.
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2012, 04:10:05 pm »
Ayup, I demo'd a DL650 2-up & it was great. But that durn chain...

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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2012, 04:46:37 pm »
Just casually looking and trying to get a feel for what these other bikes are going for. Found these two at the WOW site:

http://www.wowmotorcycles.com/view-bike.aspx?SKU=10341&source=S

Stock Nr:   10341
Make:   SUZUKI
Model:   DL1000 V-STROM
Model name:   DL1000K
Year:   2007
Miles:   13157
Color:   BLK/SLV
CC:   996
Cylinders:   2
Price:   $7585

http://www.wowmotorcycles.com/view-bike.aspx?SKU=11734&source=S

Stock Nr:   11734
Make:   SUZUKI
Model:   GSF1250S
Model name:   BANDIT
Year:   2008
Miles:   5869
Color:   BLU
CC:   1255
Cylinders:   4
Price:   $5980

Trying to understand why the newer, lower mileage Bandit is so much cheaper than the V-Strom...They also have an older Bandit that I could actually afford now:

http://www.wowmotorcycles.com/view-bike.aspx?SKU=20004&source=S


Stock Nr:   20004
Make:   SUZUKI
Model:   GSF1200S
Model name:   BANDIT
Year:   2002
Miles:   6789
Color:   BLUE
CC:   1157
Cylinders:   4
Price:   $3970

Looks like carbs rather than fuel injection...Pretty low mileage, although I could have forgone the flames. LOL!
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2012, 08:14:52 pm »
Probably symptomatic of demand for Stroms. Also, IIR, the Bandit feels "smaller" to a taller rider and you're taller than me. I'd ride them both.
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Re: Time to start looking...
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2012, 09:53:45 pm »
I am actually leaning toward the V-strom (not this particular one, but in general). I tried one on once (people my size don't "test drive" anything, we try them on...) and it did fit very well for my size.

Only thing that troubles me about it is long- range riding comfort, because I certainly want to get back into that. I did over 500 miles on the C-10 in one day and it really wasn't bad at all, and that was box-stock on pegs/handle bars. I never did install extenders. They both look much easier to work on than the C10 or C14 though, so they meet that criteria anyway...
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